Government set to mandate 'Black Boxes' in ALL cars.

From the Article:

A bill already passed by the Senate and set to be rubber stamped by the House would make it mandatory for all new cars in the United States to be fitted with black box data recorders from 2015 onwards.

Section 31406 of Senate Bill 1813 (known as MAP-21), calls for ?Mandatory Event Data Recorders? to be installed in all new automobiles and legislates for civil penalties to be imposed against individuals for failing to do so.

?Not later than 180 days after the date of enactment of this Act, the Secretary shall revise part 563 of title 49, Code of Federal Regulations, to require, beginning with model year 2015, that new passenger motor vehicles sold in the United States be equipped with an event data recorder that meets the requirements under that part,? states the bill.

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Given the fact that the same bill also includes a controversial provision that would empower the IRS to revoke passports of citizens merely accused of owing over $50,000 in back taxes, stripping them of their mobility rights, could the mandatory black boxes or a similar technology be used for the same purpose?

Biometric face-recognition and transdermol sensor technology that prevents an inebriated person from driving a car by disabling the automobile has already been developed, in addition to systems that refuse to allow the vehicle to start if the driver is deemed to be overtired.

The ultimate Big Brother scenario would be a system whereby every driver had to get de facto permission from the state to drive each time they get behind the wheel, once it had been determined from an iris scan that they were good citizens who have paid all their taxes and not misbehaved.

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Any thoughts? For me, the main concern will be the Insurance Company/Government relationship. Once these boxes are in all cars on the road, and the right lobbyist convinces (or bribes) enough politicians to believe that it is for "the greater good" to have the information in said boxes given to insurance companies for all claims.... what happens next? What will the fine print of auto insurance policies say? If someone inadvertently is driving one mile per hour over the speed limit and is involved in an accident, will the claims be denied? (Just the first example I thought of).

Doesnt seem feasible.

Doesnt seem feasible.

sonicare

Land of the free.... ya

Soon U.S. citizens will be immigrating to the middle east to enjoy less repressive regimes.

Doesnt seem feasible.

sonicare

Land of the free.... ya

Soon U.S. citizens will be immigrating to the middle east to enjoy less repressive regimes.

tenaka2

Yes because the airline industry is so oppressive with their uses of them

Don't speak out too loud remember the president has the power to detain you at any moment without a trial or anything all he has to do is point a finger and call you terrorist there dosen't need to be any proof. Don't forget about the drones in US airspace by 2014 and the black boxes in your cars. Ahh so glad I am free so so glad. (Sarcasim.) Quick edit: He also owns all your stuff national defense prepardeness act he changed it from war time to anytime no it wasn't always like that he changed it to that using executive order. All hail dictator obama.

Don't speak out too loud remember the president has the power to detain you at any moment without a trial or anything all he has to do is point a finger and call you terrorist there dosen't need to be any proof. Don't forget about the drones in US airspace by 2014 and the black boxes in your cars. Ahh so glad I am free so so glad. (Sarcasim.) Quick edit: He also owns all your stuff national defense prepardeness act he changed it from war time to anytime no it wasn't always like that he changed it to that using executive order. All hail dictator obama.

Bigboss232

I would like to think this wont happen.

Really damn police state is comming faster than I thought when are they going to start using them to blow people up instead of catching them?

If you vote for the wrong person (or is it 'work for the wrong company' yet in the USA) they know where to find you :P

Now that's ridiculous. United States does not seem to be 'free' anymore.

as cars are more populated than planes,it is a waste of time to put a small box hidden in every car in the StatesSmashbrossive50

You do know that most cars already track everything you do and whatnot in their computer? Seriously. If you have OnStar or GPS, there is already a record of everywhere you've been stored in your car.

They probably want some universal hardware so that they could get data from crashes and whatnot without having to have dozens of different hardware adaptors and software standards.

It won't cost much. It's already pretty much implemented. It also makes sense from a traffic safety standpoint. It sounds like you're trying to overblow what they want here. They just want car event data. Milage, RPMs, usage, breaking, and other statistics that can be very awesome when determining who was at fault for an accident and furthering our knowledge of how people behave while driving.

Corvettes (including the one I had) already have them in the cars. I don't agree with them but at least I'm used to having one I guess. :P

It won't be too long until automated cars become a reality and then we'll be letting the AI drive us places anyway.

It won't be too long until automated cars become a reality and then we'll be letting the AI drive us places anyway.

Kinthalis

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It won't be too long until automated cars become a reality and then we'll be letting the AI drive us places anyway.

Pirate700

Source = infowars = overblown conspiracy rhetoric = automatic fail

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[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

It won't be too long until automated cars become a reality and then we'll be letting the AI drive us places anyway.

Netherscourge

Source = infowars = overblown conspiracy rhetoric = automatic fail

SUD123456

Source = infowars = overblown conspiracy rhetoric = automatic fail

SUD123456

Full Text HERE

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Source = infowars = overblown conspiracy rhetoric = automatic fail

weedfacekilla

Apparently according to you, yes it is all a conspiracy.

According to me, no, everything you posted is overblown conspiracy rhetoric.

[QUOTE="SUD123456"]

Source = infowars = overblown conspiracy rhetoric = automatic fail

Planet_Pluto

Actual text of bill is irrelevant to my position. Apparently you do not understand the words 'overblown' 'conspiracy' and 'rhetoric'. None, of which is necessarily incongruent with the text.

The most common tactic of infowars is to take a fact, or a factoid, and distort the magnitude, context or intent, or otherwise combine multiple separate factoids into a completely different proposition which has no basis for belief. Hence, 'overblown', 'conspiracy', and 'rhetoric'.

[QUOTE="Planet_Pluto"]

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Source = infowars = overblown conspiracy rhetoric = automatic fail

SUD123456

Actual text of bill is irrelevant to my position. Apparently you do not understand the words 'overblown' 'conspiracy' and 'rhetoric'. None, of which is necessarily incongruent with the text.

The most common tactic of infowars is to take a fact, or a factoid, and distort the magnitude, context or intent, or otherwise combine multiple separate factoids into a completely different proposition which has no basis for belief. Hence, 'overblown', 'conspiracy', and 'rhetoric'.

Dang, there goes another few minutes of my life I'll never get back.

Given the fact that the same bill also includes a controversial provision that would empower the IRS to revoke passports of citizens merely accused of owing over $50,000 in back taxes, stripping them of their mobility rights, could the mandatory black boxes or a similar technology be used for the same purpose?

How does someone get merely accused of owing $50K in taxes by the IRS?

And why should anyone be allowed to drive, or be anywhere except in JAIL, if they are not paying back what they owe the IRS on time?

Land of the free.... ya

Soon U.S. citizens will be immigrating to the middle east to enjoy less repressive regimes.

tenaka2

As long as you aren't breaking the law i don't see why anyone would have a problem.

Yeah, it's not happening.

So this thing does not record conversation being had in the car?

As long as you aren't breaking the law i don't see why anyone would have a problem.

Ilovegames1992

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Land of the free.... ya

Soon U.S. citizens will be immigrating to the middle east to enjoy less repressive regimes.

Ilovegames1992

As long as you aren't breaking the law i don't see why anyone would have a problem.

You do know that most cars already track everything you do and whatnot in their computer? Seriously. If you have OnStar or GPS, there is already a record of everywhere you've been stored in your car.

They probably want some universal hardware so that they could get data from crashes and whatnot without having to have dozens of different hardware adaptors and software standards.

It won't cost much. It's already pretty much implemented. It also makes sense from a traffic safety standpoint. It sounds like you're trying to overblow what they want here. They just want car event data. Milage, RPMs, usage, breaking, and other statistics that can be very awesome when determining who was at fault for an accident and furthering our knowledge of how people behave while driving.

Wasdie

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Land of the free.... ya

Soon U.S. citizens will be immigrating to the middle east to enjoy less repressive regimes.

Ilovegames1992

As long as you aren't breaking the law i don't see why anyone would have a problem.

'Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.'

Wow, that sounds horrib-

>infowars

Oh.

I'm reading this as: I like driving 80mph on an empty road, even if the posted speed limit is 45mph.

I don't want to lose my right to break the law when nobody is looking!

Admit it people - that's what this comes down to.

[QUOTE="SUD123456"]

[QUOTE="Planet_Pluto"]Actual text of bill readily available = SUD123456 didn't bother to check facts and/or poor reading comprehension = post fail

Planet_Pluto

Actual text of bill is irrelevant to my position. Apparently you do not understand the words 'overblown' 'conspiracy' and 'rhetoric'. None, of which is necessarily incongruent with the text.

The most common tactic of infowars is to take a fact, or a factoid, and distort the magnitude, context or intent, or otherwise combine multiple separate factoids into a completely different proposition which has no basis for belief. Hence, 'overblown', 'conspiracy', and 'rhetoric'.

Dang, there goes another few minutes of my life I'll never get back.

Where did I say that? In effect, I said that facts and factoids are only part of thinking.

You have to intrepret and contextualize facts to exercise any form of critical thinking, otherwise you are simply regurgitating.

We both can agree what words are printed in the bill. I don't see how that 'fact' is in dispute. What is in dispute is the interpretation of what that means through extrapolation. I have clearly stated that infowars specializes in taking facts and then distorting them.

Follow along if you can. The words in the bill are not in dispute; ergo, the 'fact' is not indispute. You implied that I had not read the 'facts' or understood what I had read. I replied that the actual text (the 'facts') are irrelevant to my position...which is that infowars is distorting the 'facts' into something other than what they are.

The two concepts: 'facts/factoids' (which in and of themselves can be true) and 'distortion' (misrepresentation of context, intent, meaning etc) are not mutually exclusive. In this case, the 'facts' are irrelevant to my position because they are not in dispute. The misrepresentation of the 'facts' through flawed extrapolation is what is in dispute.

I can't say I am surprised as infowars caters to people who are lacking in critical reasoning skills.

Don't speak out too loud remember the president has the power to detain you at any moment without a trial or anything all he has to do is point a finger and call you terrorist there dosen't need to be any proof. Don't forget about the drones in US airspace by 2014 and the black boxes in your cars. Ahh so glad I am free so so glad. (Sarcasim.) Quick edit: He also owns all your stuff national defense prepardeness act he changed it from war time to anytime no it wasn't always like that he changed it to that using executive order. All hail dictator obama.

Bigboss232

Dictator Obama may be the first dictator in the history of mankind to have nearly NONE of his policies passed because of an opposing governing body(in this case, Congress). Dictator Obama also has to sweat reelection AND he is serving on a fixed term. Oh yeah, he's the most powerful dictator ever.

LOL Infowars.

Sounds like a huge and suspicious waste of money.CptJSparrow

Nah - it'll just be passed onto the customer at signing! You won't even notice it.