Giffords shooter gets seven consecutive life terms + 140 years.

I still think that he should have had to go to trial and face a possible death penalty. At least he will rot in jail.

Should have put him to death.

Should have put him to death.

airshocker

Should have put him to death.

airshocker

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What exactly would that achieve other than unneeded revenge? l4dak47

1) Removing a sociopath(possibly a psychopath) from this world.

2) It's the ultimate end of freedom.

3) Punishment.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]What exactly would that achieve other than unneeded revenge? airshocker

1) Removing a sociopath(possibly a psychopath) from this world.

2) It's the ultimate end of freedom.

3) Punishment.

We've already removed him from society by essentially giving him life in prison. Life imprisonment is punishment.You're not very free in jail. Anymore is unnecessary. l4dak47

And I want him removed from the world.

You're free enough in jail. There are people who go on to write books in jail. Get state funded educations. Healthcare for the rest of his life.

It's unnecessary. Put a bullet in the back of his head and be done with it, if we're really concerned about the cost of a pharamceutical cocktail.

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[QUOTE="l4dak47"]What exactly would that achieve other than unneeded revenge? l4dak47

1) Removing a sociopath(possibly a psychopath) from this world.

2) It's the ultimate end of freedom.

3) Punishment.

Prisoners get TV, play time, free access to legal libraries, gyms and other things their victims do not get to. One has many freedoms while in prison due to people not wanting to inconvience criminals with supposedly cruel and unusual punishments.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]We've already removed him from society by essentially giving him life in prison. Life imprisonment is punishment.You're not very free in jail. Anymore is unnecessary. airshocker

And I want him removed from the world.

You're free enough in jail. There are people who go on to write books in jail. Get state funded educations. Healthcare for the rest of his life.

It's unnecessary. Put a bullet in the back of his head and be done with it, if we're really concerned about the cost of a pharamceutical cocktail.

I agree with the bullet to the back of the head. It worked really well for the Soviets except they had no appeals process. I am willing to at least give someone one appeal within 30 days.

Should have put him to death.

airshocker

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]We've already removed him from society by essentially giving him life in prison. Life imprisonment is punishment.You're not very free in jail. Anymore is unnecessary. airshocker

And I want him removed from the world.

You're free enough in jail. There are people who go on to write books in jail. Get state funded educations. Healthcare for the rest of his life.

It's unnecessary. Put a bullet in the back of his head and be done with it, if we're really concerned about the cost of a pharamceutical cocktail.

Wasn't he ruled 'mentally incompetent' or something along those lines? HoolaHoopMan

Don't know. Didn't follow the case much since it was pretty cut and dry.

Unless this guy is going to be locked up in solitary confinement in a super max prison for the rest of his life, the only fitting punishment is death.

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

Should have put him to death.

HoolaHoopMan

No, he was ruled competent to stand trial, even with a history of mental illness. He knew what he was doing that day.

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Should have put him to death.

HoolaHoopMan

So you advocate unnecessary violence? Theres no need for mindless bloodshed in the 20th century. Let him rot in jail. Why not educate them? The purpose of prison is rehabilitation. We hope that when they come out, they learn right from wrongCapitan_Kid

It being unnecessary is debatable. It being mindless isn't. I already gave my reasons for why he should be put to death. None of it was mindless.

Rehabilitation doesn't work. The recidivism rate is somewhere near 70%, I believe. That shows that it doesn't work. And I doubt any softer forms of punishment will.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]We've already removed him from society by essentially giving him life in prison. Life imprisonment is punishment.You're not very free in jail. Anymore is unnecessary. airshocker

And I want him removed from the world.

You're free enough in jail. There are people who go on to write books in jail. Get state funded educations. Healthcare for the rest of his life.

It's unnecessary. Put a bullet in the back of his head and be done with it, if we're really concerned about the cost of a pharamceutical cocktail.

What if they gave him 24 hours solitary confinement for the rest of his life?tagyhag

They wouldn't, which is my point. Solitary confinement is limited. It's considered cruel and unusual punishment for it to be longer than a certain amount of time.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]We've already removed him from society by essentially giving him life in prison. Life imprisonment is punishment.You're not very free in jail. Anymore is unnecessary. airshocker

And I want him removed from the world.

You're free enough in jail. There are people who go on to write books in jail. Get state funded educations. Healthcare for the rest of his life.

It's unnecessary. Put a bullet in the back of his head and be done with it, if we're really concerned about the cost of a pharamceutical cocktail.

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Abbeten

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]We've already removed him from society by essentially giving him life in prison. Life imprisonment is punishment.You're not very free in jail. Anymore is unnecessary. airshocker

And I want him removed from the world.

You're free enough in jail. There are people who go on to write books in jail. Get state funded educations. Healthcare for the rest of his life.

It's unnecessary. Put a bullet in the back of his head and be done with it, if we're really concerned about the cost of a pharamceutical cocktail.

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[QUOTE="l4dak47"]We've already removed him from society by essentially giving him life in prison. Life imprisonment is punishment.You're not very free in jail. Anymore is unnecessary. WhiteKnight77

And I want him removed from the world.

You're free enough in jail. There are people who go on to write books in jail. Get state funded educations. Healthcare for the rest of his life.

It's unnecessary. Put a bullet in the back of his head and be done with it, if we're really concerned about the cost of a pharamceutical cocktail.

I agree with the bullet to the back of the head. It worked really well for the Soviets except they had no appeals process. I am willing to at least give someone one appeal within 30 days.

[QUOTE="tagyhag"]What if they gave him 24 hours solitary confinement for the rest of his life?airshocker

They wouldn't, which is my point. Solitary confinement is limited. It's considered cruel and unusual punishment for it to be longer than a certain amount of time.

[QUOTE="tagyhag"]What if they gave him 24 hours solitary confinement for the rest of his life?airshocker

They wouldn't, which is my point. Solitary confinement is limited. It's considered cruel and unusual punishment for it to be longer than a certain amount of time.

Exactly and the reason why those who do have to go to solitary have one hour a day in the exercise yard, even if by themselves.

[QUOTE="tagyhag"]What if they gave him 24 hours solitary confinement for the rest of his life?airshocker

They wouldn't, which is my point. Solitary confinement is limited. It's considered cruel and unusual punishment for it to be longer than a certain amount of time.

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[QUOTE="tagyhag"]What if they gave him 24 hours solitary confinement for the rest of his life?tagyhag

They wouldn't, which is my point. Solitary confinement is limited. It's considered cruel and unusual punishment for it to be longer than a certain amount of time.

Even if in solitary confinement, he would still have access to the previously mentioned amenities, even if not with a group of other prisoners. The touchy feely people want prison to give criminals things that victims do not get, especially in the case of murderers.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]What exactly would that achieve other than unneeded revenge? airshocker

1) Removing a sociopath(possibly a psychopath) from this world.

2) It's the ultimate end of freedom.

3) Punishment.

4) save us $40,000 a year in tax dollars

So is this solitary confinement or the usual slammer? If it's the former , then I'm ok with that. But just putting him in jail is too good for him.

So you advocate unnecessary violence? Theres no need for mindless bloodshed in the 20th century. Let him rot in jail. Why not educate them? The purpose of prison is rehabilitation. We hope that when they come out, they learn right from wrongCapitan_Kid

Violence? Nobody's talking about torturing him or anything like that. He killed 6 people. To some people, that's worth the death penalty. You might not think that's how we should deal with it, but some people do. Some people can be rehabilitated, some people can't and don't even deserve to be rehabilitated.

You're free enough in jail. There are people who go on to write books in jail. Get state funded educations. Healthcare for the rest of his life.

airshocker

Yup, being stuck in one place, unable to leave for the rest of your life. Sounds like a blast.

I really don't give that much of a sh*t about this guy. I just want to be consistent on the death penalty issue. And that means no one gets killed by the state regardless of how overwhelming the evidence are or how horrific their crimes are. l4dak47

Some people don't deserve to live. Letting people live after committing terrible crimes cheapens our justice system and our way of life. It sends the message that "Go ahead, do whatever the fvck you want. The worst we'll do is lock you up, feed you three times a day, give you a heated cell, let you have more freedom than that of which you stole from the person you murdered. We'll also educate you if you want it. Let you read works of fiction your victim may never ever read. We won't even force you to do manual labor."

Fvck that sh*t. Letting somebody live after killing another human being isn't punishment. It's a reward.

Yup, being stuck in one place, unable to leave for the rest of your life. Sounds like a blast.

chessmaster1989

It's more than some victims get to do.

You're willing to let potentially innocent people die for your misguided notion of justice? l4dak47

Not everyone is potentially innocent.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]You're willing to let potentially innocent people die for your misguided notion of justice? airshocker

Not everyone is potentially innocent.

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Yup, being stuck in one place, unable to leave for the rest of your life. Sounds like a blast.

airshocker

It's more than some victims get to do.

So you view the purpose of the death penalty as vengeance?

So you view the purpose of the death penalty as vengeance?

chessmaster1989

Punishment. Vengeance. Whatever floats your boat. It serves the same purpose.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]I really don't give that much of a sh*t about this guy. I just want to be consistent on the death penalty issue. And that means no one gets killed by the state regardless of how overwhelming the evidence are or how horrific their crimes are. airshocker

Some people don't deserve to live. Letting people live after committing terrible crimes cheapens our justice system and our way of life. It sends the message that "Go ahead, do whatever the fvck you want. The worst we'll do is lock you up, feed you three times a day, give you a heated cell, let you have more freedom than that of which you stole from the person you murdered. We'll also educate you if you want it. Let you read works of fiction your victim may never ever read. We won't even force you to do manual labor."

Fvck that sh*t. Letting somebody live after killing another human being isn't punishment. It's a reward.

So, if US Army Sgt Robert Bales is found guilty and doesn't receive the death sentence, you'll express your disappointment here, won't you?

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]You're willing to let potentially innocent people die for your misguided notion of justice? airshocker

Not everyone is potentially innocent.

See, the thing is, unless you have a foolproof mechanism to prevent innocent deaths, which I do not see, it opens the door for that. I really don't have much of a moral opposition to the death penalty in and of itself, but accidental murders are a barrier I can't cross.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

So you view the purpose of the death penalty as vengeance?

airshocker

Punishment. Vengeance. Whatever floats your boat. It serves the same purpose.

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[QUOTE="l4dak47"]What exactly would that achieve other than unneeded revenge? Blue-Sky

1) Removing a sociopath(possibly a psychopath) from this world.

2) It's the ultimate end of freedom.

3) Punishment.

4) save us $40,000 a year in tax dollars

So, if US Army Sgt Robert Bales is found guilty and doesn't receive the death sentence, you'll express your disappointment here, won't you?

Stesilaus

Absolutely. Though I don't know what this has to do with anything.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]You're willing to let potentially innocent people die for your misguided notion of justice? airshocker

Not everyone is potentially innocent.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]I really don't give that much of a sh*t about this guy. I just want to be consistent on the death penalty issue. And that means no one gets killed by the state regardless of how overwhelming the evidence are or how horrific their crimes are. airshocker

Some people don't deserve to live. Letting people live after committing terrible crimes cheapens our justice system and our way of life. It sends the message that "Go ahead, do whatever the fvck you want. The worst we'll do is lock you up, feed you three times a day, give you a heated cell, let you have more freedom than that of which you stole from the person you murdered. We'll also educate you if you want it. Let you read works of fiction your victim may never ever read. We won't even force you to do manual labor."

Fvck that sh*t. Letting somebody live after killing another human being isn't punishment. It's a reward.