Fast food workers go on strike

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#401 ChelGirl86
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[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="ChelGirl86"][QUOTE="thegerg"] "I'm talking about mainstream America jobs." OK. What about migrant farm labor? Overworked slaughterhouse workers?

Are migrant farm larborers even eligible to for a union??

Yes. Why do you ask? That doesn't change the fact that your post is silly and over-dramatic.

Well here on a casual message board, I think it's okay and we'll all live if someone exaggerates a bit.
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#403 ChelGirl86
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[QUOTE="ChelGirl86"][QUOTE="thegerg"] Yes. Why do you ask? That doesn't change the fact that your post is silly and over-dramatic. thegerg
Well here on a casual message board, I think it's okay and we'll all live if someone exaggerates a bit.

My bad, I thought you wanted to be taken seriously.

I don't care if I'm taken seriously by pedants.

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#404 coolbeans90
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There are still people on this board who haven't put the thegerg on AB+, let alone actually still argue with him? What a travesty.

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#406 Socialist696
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[QUOTE="ChelGirl86"]

[QUOTE="thegerg"] My bad, I thought you wanted to be taken seriously. thegerg

I don't care if I'm taken seriously by pedants.

I'm just saying, there's no need to be over-dramatic and trivialize the plights of those whose working conditions truly are terrible because working is fast food kinda sucks.

She was merely being rhetoric. Whats the big deal man.
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[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="ChelGirl86"]

I don't care if I'm taken seriously by pedants.

Socialist696

I'm just saying, there's no need to be over-dramatic and trivialize the plights of those whose working conditions truly are terrible because working is fast food kinda sucks.

She was merely being rhetoric. Whats the big deal man.

Sounds like she will fit right in around here.

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#409 ChelGirl86
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[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="Socialist696"][QUOTE="thegerg"] I'm just saying, there's no need to be over-dramatic and trivialize the plights of those whose working conditions truly are terrible because working is fast food kinda sucks.

She was merely being rhetoric. Whats the big deal man.

It's not a big deal. He made a silly comment and later clarified that he knows what he said was incorrect.

Yes, you were correct on the internet versus someone who isn't really arguing with you. You can sleep peacefully tonight.
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#410 Laihendi
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I used to work in fast food, and if there is any business that needs more worker's rights, it's that. It's unreal how the franchise owners use the cheapest labor they can find to make the most money they can. There are some good owners out there, but it's ridiculous for the most part.

ChelGirl86
Why should someone hire a worker demanding a high wage when there is another equally qualified/skilled person who is willing to work for significantly less?
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[QUOTE="ChelGirl86"]

I used to work in fast food, and if there is any business that needs more worker's rights, it's that. It's unreal how the franchise owners use the cheapest labor they can find to make the most money they can. There are some good owners out there, but it's ridiculous for the most part.

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Why should someone hire a worker demanding a high wage when there is another equally qualified/skilled person who is willing to work for significantly less?

He shouldn't, which is one of the problems with capitalism.
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#412 Serraph105
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I brought this up in a different thread, but what about two seperate minimum wage levels. The normal rate for those not going to college, and a slightly higher level for those who are.

I suppose a problem might be that bosses wouldn't want to hire college students then. It would be an incentive though for people to go to college.

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#414 Nibroc420
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[QUOTE="Serraph105"]

I brought this up in a different thread, but what about two seperate minimum wage levels. The normal rate for those not going to college, and a slightly higher level for those who are.

I suppose a problem might be that bosses wouldn't want to hire college students then. It would be an incentive though for people to go to college.

thegerg
Those that are unwilling/unable yo go to college aren't going to be convinced to go to college because their minimum wage would be slightly higher. Also, why is the labor of a college student inherently worth more than that of a non-student?

Obviously it depends on their degree. However it's quite obvious a bachelors of science is going to land you a better paying job than being a high-school dropout working at walmart or mcdonalds. Even a simple trade like framing or electrical work is going to put you in a better paying position than being a drop-out. We've got a group of people who've put no effort into learning skills that would put them into a better position, and they're failing at finding better positions as a result. Go on strike, you unskilled workers who can be replaced at the drop of a hat. Hopefully they'll all be replaced with people who're not both lazy AND greedy.
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#416 Laihendi
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[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="ChelGirl86"]

I used to work in fast food, and if there is any business that needs more worker's rights, it's that. It's unreal how the franchise owners use the cheapest labor they can find to make the most money they can. There are some good owners out there, but it's ridiculous for the most part.

-Sun_Tzu-

Why should someone hire a worker demanding a high wage when there is another equally qualified/skilled person who is willing to work for significantly less?

He shouldn't, which is one of the problems with capitalism.

How is that a problem? Skilled labour is more valuable than unskilled labour. Skilled labour requires education, training, discipline, etc. Unskilled labour does not.

Anyone can be a janitor, cashier, bagger, burger flipper, etc. It takes years of rigorous training to be qualified to even begin working as a scientist, doctor, lawyer, etc. A person with specialized knowledge/skills is difficult to replace and therefore valuable. An unskilled labourer has no specialized knowledge/skills and is therefore not valuable.

Instead of people having an entitlement complex and complaining about how they deserve a high salary/wage despite not possessing any skills/knowledge that is particularly valuable to anyone, perhaps they should consider acquiring skills/knowledge that is valuable to someone so that someone will be willing to pay them well for their services.

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#417 -Sun_Tzu-
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] Why should someone hire a worker demanding a high wage when there is another equally qualified/skilled person who is willing to work for significantly less?Laihendi

He shouldn't, which is one of the problems with capitalism.

How is that a problem? Skilled labour is more valuable than unskilled labour. Skilled labour requires education, training, discipline, etc. Unskilled labour does not.

Anyone can be a janitor, cashier, bagger, burger flipper, etc. It takes years of rigorous training to be qualified to even begin working as a scientist, doctor, lawyer, etc. A person with specialized knowledge/skills is difficult to replace and therefore valuable. An unskilled labourer has no specialized knowledge/skills and is therefore not valuable.

Instead of people having an entitlement complex and complaining about how they deserve a high salary/wage despite not possessing any skills/knowledge that is particularly valuable to anyone, perhaps they should consider acquiring skills/knowledge that is valuable to someone so that someone will be willing to pay them well for their services.

An army of reserve labor greatly diminishes the bargaining power of low-income workers. That is the problem, and I really don't see how that can be disputed. You might think that capitalism is a good economic system on balance, but it's foolish to willfully ignore its problems. And please don't try to act that all people with a high salary/wage necessarily possess skills or knowledge that are particularly valuable.