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I asked my mum once why she had kids (my sister and I) and she said something to the effect of "I was getting older" which I found to be a little insulting. >.>
I imagine being called "an accident" would be insulting because it's almost the same as being called a "mistake" vs simply being told you were "unplanned".
Billions of years of evolution has married bundles of nerves woven into pleasure centers to the mechanisms for expelling or sponging up gametes for the purpose of reproduction. The resulting propagation of the species is therefore not an accident and none of us can be accidents. Except in the sense, of course, that all of nature is possibly an accident, and in that case we're all accidents. It's everyone or no one, folks.
EDIT: I guess I could make a concession to calling someone an accident if their parents happened to live in a nudist colony and accidentally ran into each other at just the right angle. But that's too rare, I assume, to apply to this question.
If a woman has a 1 night stand with some man she'll never talk to again and gets pregnant the kid is a mistake.Billions of years of evolution has married bundles of nerves woven into pleasure centers to the mechanisms for expelling or sponging up gametes for the purpose of reproduction. The resulting propagation of the species is therefore not an accident and none of us can be accidents. Except in the sense, of course, that all of nature is possibly an accident, and in that case we're all accidents. It's everyone or no one, folks.
EDIT: I guess I could make a concession to calling someone an accident if their parents happened to live in a nudist colony and accidentally ran into each other at just the right angle. But that's too rare, I assume, to apply to this question.
m0zart
It doesn't matter unless you want it to. I know I was an accident, but that doesn't change the fact that, whether my parents of anyone else wanted it or not, I'm here and I'm going to make the most of it.
[QUOTE="m0zart"]If a woman has a 1 night stand with some man she'll never talk to again and gets pregnant the kid is a mistake.Billions of years of evolution has married bundles of nerves woven into pleasure centers to the mechanisms for expelling or sponging up gametes for the purpose of reproduction. The resulting propagation of the species is therefore not an accident and none of us can be accidents. Except in the sense, of course, that all of nature is possibly an accident, and in that case we're all accidents. It's everyone or no one, folks.
EDIT: I guess I could make a concession to calling someone an accident if their parents happened to live in a nudist colony and accidentally ran into each other at just the right angle. But that's too rare, I assume, to apply to this question.
Bucked20
No way hosea! That little tryst was fully "intended" by nature. We didn't develop these special feelings just so we could have a fun thing to do with the opposite sex.
Unless of course you meant "accident" in the sense that nature doesn't really intend anything. In that case, I'd agree, but I'd stipulate that everyone else is also that kind of accident.
If a woman has a 1 night stand with some man she'll never talk to again and gets pregnant the kid is a mistake.[QUOTE="Bucked20"][QUOTE="m0zart"]
Billions of years of evolution has married bundles of nerves woven into pleasure centers to the mechanisms for expelling or sponging up gametes for the purpose of reproduction. The resulting propagation of the species is therefore not an accident and none of us can be accidents. Except in the sense, of course, that all of nature is possibly an accident, and in that case we're all accidents. It's everyone or no one, folks.
EDIT: I guess I could make a concession to calling someone an accident if their parents happened to live in a nudist colony and accidentally ran into each other at just the right angle. But that's too rare, I assume, to apply to this question.
m0zart
No way hosea! That little tryst was fully "intended" by nature. We didn't develop these special feelings just so we could have a fun thing to do with the opposite sex.
Unless of course you meant "accident" in the sense that nature doesn't really intend anything. In that case, I'd agree, but I'd stipulate that everyone else is also that kind of accident.
Maybe that's what nature intended, but as humans we have different plans. I think my girlfriend put it best: "Humans shut down the baby factory and replaced it with an amusement park." ;)
sex is never an accident.....surrealnumber5maybe not, but when contraceptives fail having a baby was clearly not part of the plan. Hence the accident happened.
Maybe that's what nature intended, but as humans we have different plans. I think my girlfriend put it best: "Humans shut down the baby factory and replaced it with an amusement park." ;) black_cat19
Heh such conceit from those pesky humans. They only think they conquered nature, which put the baby factory in place and made it look like an amusement park.
sex is never an accident.....surrealnumber5
One day you will (/might) find that having a baby is not the goal of sex.
Actually EARTH is an accident and all the things you see around... (a big meteorite hit earth long time ago so we have moon...)
but yeah...
If your parents didn't want you then they would have aborted you. So not being planned doesn't mean anything
If your parents didn't want you then they would have aborted you. So not being planned doesn't mean anything
toast_burner
Now don't start that up.
[QUOTE="toast_burner"]
If your parents didn't want you then they would have aborted you. So not being planned doesn't mean anything
cheese_game619
Now don't start that up.
It depends on how old you are. Unless my parents took a long and expensive trip to New York or California, it would have been illegal for them to do it :P
[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]sex is never an accident.....Serraph105maybe not, but when contraceptives fail having a baby was clearly not part of the plan. Hence the accident happened. inherent risk of sex, unless youre gay if both partners fail to take this into consideration being stupid is no excuse IMO
[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]sex is never an accident.....cheese_game619
One day you will (/might) find that having a baby is not the goal of sex.
one day..... WTF are you talking about? i love sex and dont want a kid, but that does not mean i ignore the risk.Accident seems like such an ugly word when it comes to children. I prefer the term surprise because while an accident is something you didn't want to happen, a surprise is something that you didn't know you wanted until you got it.
My 2 oldest children were surprises but the reality is, most babies are surprises.
Well it's certainly not something I would tell the kid, I mean, good grief. Why? That's just thoughtless and pointless. But I don't think it makes any difference as far as how people feel. I mean, there's nothing the kid could do about it obviously. And the fact that the parents didn't plan on having them hardly has anything to do with how they feel about them afterwards.
Well if you consider sex conception, which everyone should (not that they do), then there is no such thing as an "accident". Sex is not an accident.
When having sex, you should always be aware of the potentional effects it may have. Modern society does not take sex and child birth nearly seriously enough.
Happened to a friend of mine, the condom broke and he was the result..Bloodseeker23
But, why on Earth would you tell your kid that?
inherent risk of sex, unless youre gay if both partners fail to take this into consideration being stupid is no excuse IMO Simply because having a child is a result of having sex doesn't mean that having a kid is never an accident. Urinating is a result of drinking beer, but pissing on yourself standing at the bar is still an accident. sorry if i dont share your relaxed view on responsibility and cause and effect, this might also be why i argue a lot less on what is "fair" then you do.[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="Serraph105"] maybe not, but when contraceptives fail having a baby was clearly not part of the plan. Hence the accident happened.thegerg
[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]sorry if i dont share your relaxed view on responsibility and cause and effect, this might also be why i argue a lot less on what is "fair" then you do. What makes you think you know my views on responsibility and cause and effect? the words you type, what else would i use to judge a person on a forum?[QUOTE="thegerg"] Simply because having a child is a result of having sex doesn't mean that having a kid is never an accident. Urinating is a result of drinking beer, but pissing on yourself standing at the bar is still an accident.
thegerg
Well if you consider sex conception, which everyone should (not that they do), then there is no such thing as an "accident". Sex is not an accident.
When having sex, you should always be aware of the potentional effects it may have. Modern society does not take sex and child birth nearly seriously enough.
You seem to be confused, sex is not conception. What I mean, from a personal responsibility standpoint is, that when having sex you basically need to assume that it will result in the birth of a child. So before you rush and have sex like an idiot, you need to make sure that 1) the person you are having sex with is also personally responsible and willing the handle the very real possibility of a newborn child, 2) you can financially and emotionally support and new human being into the world, and 3) be able to accept the reality of raising a child for 20 or so long years with the person. Sex is a very dangerous and real "recreational" activity. We are talking about creating a brand new human life here, pretty much the most substantial thing that you can do in your lifetime.[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]the words you type, what else would i use to judge a person on a forum? Keep in mind that forming opinions of the views of others based on your own prejudices is not always a good idea. so independent thought is not always a good idea? i can agree with that, but it is necessary and as bad ideas are weeded out and good ideas stay over time we improve.[QUOTE="thegerg"] What makes you think you know my views on responsibility and cause and effect? thegerg
[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]so independent thought is not always a good idea? i can agree with that, but it is necessary and as bad ideas are weeded out and good ideas stay over time we improve. I never said that independent thought is a bad thing, but to assign certain beliefs and views to others while being ignorant of their true feelings helps no one. "...opinions of the views of others based on your own prejudices..... " prejudice is just a discerning opinion formed, forming opinions of others opinions leads to a new never before developed opinion combining the two or independent thought, sure i did not use any words with ill connotations but i did form my thought off of yours using the meanings of the words you typed and tossing out any intended inflection on your part.[QUOTE="thegerg"] Keep in mind that forming opinions of the views of others based on your own prejudices is not always a good idea.thegerg
[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]"...opinions of the views of others based on your own prejudices..... " prejudice is just a discerning opinion formed, forming opinions of others opinions leads to a new never before developed opinion combining the two or independent thought, sure i did not use any words with ill connotations but i did form my thought off of yours using the meanings of the words you typed and tossing out any intended inflection on your part. OK, none of that changes the fact that to assign certain beliefs and views to others while being ignorant of their true feelings helps no one. forming an opinion on the only measurable and observable (empirical) information available is the most scientific way to form an opinion, its not as if i did so based on your name or avatar. if i get your argument right you are arguing that because no person can look into another person to truly understand their motives and feelings there should never be a judgement or opinion formed. i think that is silly, but to each their own.[QUOTE="thegerg"] I never said that independent thought is a bad thing, but to assign certain beliefs and views to others while being ignorant of their true feelings helps no one.thegerg
[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]forming an opinion on the only measurable and observable (empirical) information available is the most scientific way to form an opinion, its not as if i did so based on your name or avatar. if i get your argument right you are arguing that because no person can look into another person to truly understand their motives and feelings there should never be a judgement or opinion formed. i think that is silly, but to each their own. You're getting my argument wrong. If you want to form an opinion of my thoughts on responsibility and cause and effect then just ask, rather than forgoing such a simple task and instead assigning opinions to me based in ignorance. you like tossing around that ignorance word dont you? it would be ignorant for me to ignore all past dealing and to ask your opinion, that would remove cohesion from your character, and it would be much easier for you to break character and just say what best fits your argument if i did that. by not forming my own theories based on past action i would be lacking all knowledge of past actions or ignorant of them.[QUOTE="thegerg"] OK, none of that changes the fact that to assign certain beliefs and views to others while being ignorant of their true feelings helps no one.thegerg
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