Why is death bad? Who wants to live forever?
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"Extreme suffering, unfairness and the finality of death are 3 things which should absolutely not have existed if there really is a God."
Why do you make that assumption?
Because an all powerful and loving god could easily wipe those all out?
I don't think there is a God. And actually I've seen no shred of evidence that there is one. Also both of my parents are atheists.
I think that religion is a thing that was invented in order to help people deal with the cruelty and unfairness of life and with the finality of death. Death is probably a final thing and there is no evidence that we can come back from it.
Extreme suffering, unfairness and the finality of death are 3 things which should absolutely not have existed if there really is a God.
maybe he likes to watch suffering?
Why do you make that assumption?
Why not? It's just common sense.
If there is no evidence for something that the most rational conclusion is that it does not exist.
If he likes to watch suffering without doing anything in his power to stop it then he is simply a monster and definitely not something which is worth worshipping.
If he likes to watch suffering without doing anything in his power to stop it then he is simply a monster and definitely not something which is worth worshipping.
no one (of importance) is telling you to worship him
no one (of importance) is telling you to worship him
I see that nothing I'm going to say is going to change your mind on this issue because you have basically already made up your mind.
So I think that we will just have to agree to disagree.
"Extreme suffering, unfairness and the finality of death are 3 things which should absolutely not have existed if there really is a God."
Why do you make that assumption?
Because an all powerful and loving god could easily wipe those all out?
It certainly could. What I'm asking is why the other poster is so comfortable making assumptions about the nature (loving, all powerful) and desires of a god, and letting those assumptions influence his opinions about a god's existence.
Most peoples assumptions come from what religious leaders and texts tell them about that god. If the bible tells you god is all powerful and loves us it's not hard to see why some may question that. But that is just my guess. We just go based on what is given to us.
no one (of importance) is telling you to worship him
I see that nothing I'm going to say is going to change your mind on this issue because you have basically already made up your mind.
So I think that we will just have to agree to disagree.
i don't recall ever expressing what my opinion on the matter was in the first place :)
I think it shouldn't matter whether someone believes in a god or not (they'll have their reasons) so long as it doesn't cloud judgement or guide actions in real life.
As for me, no, I don't believe in a god because it's a preposterous proofless idea, in my opinion.
I don't really care one way or another because I think the existence (or lack) of a God has zero impact in my live. If there's "somebody on the clouds" I hope he/she/it is enjoying him/her/itself, if there isn't, all fine by me as well.
i think the odds on god existing is pretty slim but i can't say for sure one way or the other because i don't base my beliefs on blind faith.
my guess is that belief in god is an evolution-ally developed survival strategy.
or we all live in the sims 44,000.
if you look at the probability's the odds are about the same.
@aretilda: Like air?
You know air exists because of the sense of touch you can feel the air and wind, there is no proof that God exists.
wrong. it's god in my tires.
lulz.
@aretilda: Like air?
You know air exists because of the sense of touch you can feel the air and wind, there is no proof that God exists.
wrong. it's god in my tires.
lulz.
Oh yeah then I farted god like 30 minutes ago lol!
@aretilda: You can't see air. By your standard of evidence (being able to see it) you shouldn't believe in air.
I'm not talking about sight anymore I'm talking about the sense of touch, you can feel air through the sense of touch and you know that it exists because you can feel it but you CAN'T feel God, you can't taste, smell, touch, or see God, it's just nothing. You CAN taste, smell, feel the air wind.
Well Not saying a god isn't a possibility. But I sure don't believe in anything worshiped by humans. There are 1000,s of religions right now being practiced, along with the tens of thousands that are no longer practiced. Just doesn't make sense. Zeus wasn't real. Thor wasn't real etc.. etc..
Besides that each religion seems to be far to human centric when we are but a tiny fraction of a tiny percentage of the life on this planet that sits in a solar system, that sits in a galaxy full of trillions of star systems many far grander then ours. Oh and that galaxy we are in just so happens to be 1 out of, what seems to be an infinite number of other galaxies(Again ours is small). Ya so It's hard for me to get behind a story or book that puts our tiny stupid species at the for front of importance of all that.
Yes. Because my existence is proof of his existence. As for why I follow him well it's obvious. Because he is worthy of it.
It's interesting how two people with different backgrounds and persuasions can sometimes have the same perception.This is what I had said in a past post of mine:
"That's why I believe that reality or to use a better word "truth" can not be "seen" or "felt" or "understood." It only..."is." The moment you try to "define" it is the moment you alter it into something else."
It's quite interesting that you mention something called "the moment". I call it haqq which means "truth" and I too have been trying to become one with it. But it only happens for a short period of time... It's quite the pilgrimage. Or maybe... The destination?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40VgJDoEHnM&list=PL2B35CE6A0BD5F718
Give this video a try (it's under an hour) and ignore the Buddhism (the terminology specifically). He has a grasp on what Buddhists call "shunyata" (suchness/voidness/thusness/emptiness/etc/etc) and the act of existing within it more than any modern Buddhist thinker (or non-thinker) I have encountered.
I believe in God because I do. I believe in an omnipotent God. And there is no why. I make a choice with zero reason behind it, and I choose to believe in God.
I want to be clear. God is not your slave, so don't expect God to do your bidding or claim God is responsible for something. That's just rude. How would you feel if someone doing something ridiculously stupid and said it is your fault? Or that he keeps telling you to give him money or favors? That's just rude.
Back in the days I don't believe in God because I don't believe anything what people said about God. Which I still don't.
To not believe in God because other people lied about God or incapable of understand/comprehended God? That would be a wrong reason to disbelieve.
There should be no reason to believe in God and there should be no reason to disbelieve God. Doing either choice should have zero impact on your personal opinions/values/knowledge/morality and etc.
You probably don't understand what I am saying. But, true faith, is to throw away everything you know about God, expect nothing from God, zero influence on you and the world, and yet, you believe in an omnipotent God. That's true faith. Not some fanboys worshipping Superman or Dr. Strange. When you have a reason to believe in God, you believe in God for the wrong reason. Because that's not faith. That's just being needy.
What you are describing, "true faith", is the suspension of critical thinking. You don't want to put forth the effort of accepting something else. It's easier for you to accept whatever faith you believe in.
@aretilda: Maybe you should talk about sight, because what you're saying now (that you believe air exists) contradicts what you said earlier (that you don't believe in what you can't see). Do you not see the contradiction there?
Okay fine I see your point in a way I do believe that air exists and I don't believe that the air argument is valid in this case. Theirs no proof God exists.
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