Discussion on Islam

Islam has come to mean 'submission'. The goal of Islam is to bring the whole world into submission to Allah. The Quran (Sura's 2, 4, 5, 9 and 47) teaches that all 'infidels' (non-Muslims) must either convert to Islam or be killed or enslaved. The God of the Bible tells us that conversion is the work of God, therefore no-one can be forced to convert to Christianity.

Muhammad married Aisha when she was 6 years old and had sex with her.  Read the Hadith, chapter 7:62-64.  He's a pedophile and that's a sin.  He's a sinner and he is not "good".  The definition of good is to be without sin.  Yet Jesus in the Bible never sinned and even said himself that God alone is Good.  Does that mean Jesis is God?

Jesus Christ said I am the way, the truth and the life.  No one comes to the father except through me.

Is Jesus Good?  Then he is God.  Read Mark 10:18 for reference.   Moses, Isaiah and all the other prophets have sinned, except for Jesus Christ. Muhammad is a pedophile and a liar. 

Peace be with you.

I didn't read it but May God be with you..AngelB1ack

Wouldn't preaching hatred be a sin?blue_elephant

I by no means am hating.  I simply ask the question, Is Jesus Good? Has he sinned?

The God of the Bible tells us that conversion is the work of God, therefore no-one can be forced to convert to Christianity.Ineedtofindyou

kill em all and let allah sort it out from therexArKKAAaEX

But God's kingdom is not of this world.  Why kill people in this life when our fate lies within the next?

[QUOTE="xArKKAAaEX"]kill em all and let allah sort it out from thereIneedtofindyou

But God's kingdom is not of this world. Why kill people in this life when our fate lies within the next?

[QUOTE="blue_elephant"]Wouldn't preaching hatred be a sin?Ineedtofindyou

I by no means am hating.  I simply ask the question, Is Jesus Good? Has he sinned?

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[QUOTE="blue_elephant"]Wouldn't preaching hatred be a sin?blue_elephant

I by no means am hating.  I simply ask the question, Is Jesus Good? Has he sinned?

Did his actions not confirm that he was God?  Have you ever read the article of Josepheous?  He was a jewish historian for the Romans and spoke oif the things Jesus did and accomplished.  Jesus' actions justify him being God.

What the hell? You're bashing Islam now? Priests telling people to kill Muslims in the name of God is not a sin? Why didnt God strike these Priests? Crusades anyone? Saladin, a Muslim in the Crusades was one of the nicest guys ever.thotoz

Just because the crusaders called themselves Christian does not mean God isokay with their actions.  I am by no means discussing the people of the Islamic faith, but the the faith and beliefs itself.

And being nice doesn't justify anything.  Saladin was a liar, a thief, and an aldulterer at heart.  Just like you and me. 

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[QUOTE="xArKKAAaEX"]kill em all and let allah sort it out from therexArKKAAaEX

But God's kingdom is not of this world. Why kill people in this life when our fate lies within the next?

We aren't God though.  We can't create life nor do we have the authority to destroy life either.

[QUOTE="thotoz"]What the hell? You're bashing Islam now? Priests telling people to kill Muslims in the name of God is not a sin? Why didnt God strike these Priests? Crusades anyone? Saladin, a Muslim in the Crusades was one of the nicest guys ever.Ineedtofindyou

Just because the crusaders called themselves Christian does not mean God isokay with their actions.  I am by no means discussing the people of the Islamic faith, but the the faith and beliefs itself.

And being nice doesn't justify anything.  Saladin was a liar, a thief, a urder and aldulterer at heart.  Just like you and me. 

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[QUOTE="blue_elephant"]Wouldn't preaching hatred be a sin?Ineedtofindyou

I by no means am hating.  I simply ask the question, Is Jesus Good? Has he sinned?

Did his actions not confirm that he was God?  Have you ever read the article of Josepheous?  He was a jewish historian for the Romans and spoke oif the things Jesus did and accomplished.  Jesus' actions justify him being God.

Islam has come to mean 'submission'. The goal of Islam is to bring the whole world into submission to Allah. The Quran (Sura's 2, 4, 5, 9 and 47) teaches that all 'infidels' (non-Muslims) must either convert to Islam or be killed or enslaved. The God of the Bible tells us that conversion is the work of God, therefore no-one can be forced to convert to Christianity.

Muhammad married Aisha when she was 6 years old and had sex with her. Read the Hadith, chapter 7:62-64. He's a pedophile and that's a sin. He's a sinner and he is not "good". The definition of good is to be without sin. Yet Jesus in the Bible never sinned and even said himself that God alone is Good. Does that mean Jesis is God?

Jesus Christ said I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the father except through me.

Is Jesus Good? Then he is God. Read Mark 10:18 for reference. Moses, Isaiah and all the other prophets have sinned, except for Jesus Christ. Muhammad is a pedophile and a liar.

Peace be with you.

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[QUOTE="xArKKAAaEX"]kill em all and let allah sort it out from thereIneedtofindyou

But God's kingdom is not of this world. Why kill people in this life when our fate lies within the next?

We aren't God though. We can't create life nor do we have the authority to destroy life either.

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Islam has come to mean 'submission'. The goal of Islam is to bring the whole world into submission to Allah. The Quran (Sura's 2, 4, 5, 9 and 47) teaches that all 'infidels' (non-Muslims) must either convert to Islam or be killed or enslaved. The God of the Bible tells us that conversion is the work of God, therefore no-one can be forced to convert to Christianity.

Muhammad married Aisha when she was 6 years old and had sex with her. Read the Hadith, chapter 7:62-64. He's a pedophile and that's a sin. He's a sinner and he is not "good". The definition of good is to be without sin. Yet Jesus in the Bible never sinned and even said himself that God alone is Good. Does that mean Jesis is God?

Jesus Christ said I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the father except through me.

Is Jesus Good? Then he is God. Read Mark 10:18 for reference. Moses, Isaiah and all the other prophets have sinned, except for Jesus Christ. Muhammad is a pedophile and a liar.

Peace be with you.

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haha I love your logic. :)

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[QUOTE="xArKKAAaEX"]kill em all and let allah sort it out from therexArKKAAaEX

But God's kingdom is not of this world. Why kill people in this life when our fate lies within the next?

We aren't God though. We can't create life nor do we have the authority to destroy life either.

We are also sinners.  Do we have the right to kill other sinners?

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[QUOTE="xArKKAAaEX"]kill em all and let allah sort it out from thereIneedtofindyou

But God's kingdom is not of this world. Why kill people in this life when our fate lies within the next?

We aren't God though. We can't create life nor do we have the authority to destroy life either.

We are also sinners. Do we have the right to kill other sinners?

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[QUOTE="blue_elephant"]Wouldn't preaching hatred be a sin?blue_elephant

I by no means am hating.  I simply ask the question, Is Jesus Good? Has he sinned?

Did his actions not confirm that he was God?  Have you ever read the article of Josepheous?  He was a jewish historian for the Romans and spoke oif the things Jesus did and accomplished.  Jesus' actions justify him being God.

If we don't judge Christ by his words, we can judge him on his actions.

His actions prove that he is the messiah and they fit within the scriptures(being born of a virgin, the nailing to the cross, the healing of the sick, etc).

The actions justify his words and his life justify scripture. If you have any other questions please ask.

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[QUOTE="xArKKAAaEX"]kill em all and let allah sort it out from therexArKKAAaEX

But God's kingdom is not of this world. Why kill people in this life when our fate lies within the next?

We aren't God though. We can't create life nor do we have the authority to destroy life either.

We are also sinners. Do we have the right to kill other sinners?

What's that saying about ourselves then?  They commit the action and we condemn them when we ourselves are already condemned because of our own sinful natures evidenced by our own conscience?

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[QUOTE="xArKKAAaEX"]kill em all and let allah sort it out from thereIneedtofindyou

But God's kingdom is not of this world. Why kill people in this life when our fate lies within the next?

We aren't God though. We can't create life nor do we have the authority to destroy life either.

We are also sinners. Do we have the right to kill other sinners?

What's that saying about ourselves then? They commit the action and we condemn them when we ourselves are already condemned because of our own sinful natures evidenced by our own conscience?

six_shot lol Me and him just had a discussion via private messages, and according to him Christians worship "The God" and Muslims worship "Allah" a person. lol dude Allah means God. He said that other religions worship sun gods,etc and are false and only the Christian 'God" is the true god. He also said the world is only 6000 years old. Where the hell did dinosaurs come from them? After saying the world is only 6000 years old you really cannot discuss anything more in this thread or debate.thotoz

I think he is referring tothe time of Adam's death to Noah's Ark, The birth of the Messiah to present day.  I need to go to the local college around here and ask some evolutionists and creationists what they think and somewhat buid some answers here.

But your opinions shouldn't halt any kind of debate like this.

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[QUOTE="blue_elephant"]Wouldn't preaching hatred be a sin?Ineedtofindyou

I by no means am hating.  I simply ask the question, Is Jesus Good? Has he sinned?

Did his actions not confirm that he was God?  Have you ever read the article of Josepheous?  He was a jewish historian for the Romans and spoke oif the things Jesus did and accomplished.  Jesus' actions justify him being God.

If we don't judge Christ by his words, we can judge him on his actions.

His actions prove that he is the messiah and they fit within the scriptures(being born of a virgin, the nailing to the cross, the healing of the sick, etc).

The actions justify his words and his life justify scripture. If you have any other questions please ask.

It's kinda ironic how people constantly bash Islam and claim that everyone is a jihadist if they follow it, because in Arabic, Islam translates into "peace". It's just the radical Muslims that go and ruin the reputation. It's a shame how ignorant people are about eachother these days.
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Finally, a sane voice. And TC, I don' t know where you got those ludicrous claims from, but they are all false.

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[QUOTE="xArKKAAaEX"]kill em all and let allah sort it out from therexArKKAAaEX

But God's kingdom is not of this world. Why kill people in this life when our fate lies within the next?

We aren't God though. We can't create life nor do we have the authority to destroy life either.

We are also sinners. Do we have the right to kill other sinners?

What's that saying about ourselves then? They commit the action and we condemn them when we ourselves are already condemned because of our own sinful natures evidenced by our own conscience?

Then its this mentality that is bringing an end to the world.  Who are we to say the next coming of Christ isn't closer than ever? 

[QUOTE="MordusMythril"]It's kinda ironic how people constantly bash Islam and claim that everyone is a jihadist if they follow it, because in Arabic, Islam translates into "peace". It's just the radical Muslims that go and ruin the reputation. It's a shame how ignorant people are about eachother these days.
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Finally, a sane voice. And TC, I don' t know where you got those ludicrous claims from, but they are all false.

Then by all means, prove me wrong.

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[QUOTE="xArKKAAaEX"]kill em all and let allah sort it out from thereIneedtofindyou

But God's kingdom is not of this world. Why kill people in this life when our fate lies within the next?

We aren't God though. We can't create life nor do we have the authority to destroy life either.

We are also sinners. Do we have the right to kill other sinners?

What's that saying about ourselves then? They commit the action and we condemn them when we ourselves are already condemned because of our own sinful natures evidenced by our own conscience?

Then its this mentality that is bringing an end to the world. Who are we to say the next coming of Christ isn't closer than ever?

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[QUOTE="blue_elephant"]Wouldn't preaching hatred be a sin?blue_elephant

I by no means am hating.  I simply ask the question, Is Jesus Good? Has he sinned?

Did his actions not confirm that he was God?  Have you ever read the article of Josepheous?  He was a jewish historian for the Romans and spoke oif the things Jesus did and accomplished.  Jesus' actions justify him being God.

If we don't judge Christ by his words, we can judge him on his actions.

His actions prove that he is the messiah and they fit within the scriptures(being born of a virgin, the nailing to the cross, the healing of the sick, etc).

The actions justify his words and his life justify scripture. If you have any other questions please ask.

They were prophets foretelling of the coming messiah.  Did Moses or any other prophet raise someone from the dead?  Did they rise up from the grave after 3 days?

Indeed, they were given blessings from God to spread his word for the fulfillment of the coming messiah, but that was their purpose.  Christ performed greater feats and fulfilled the promises of those prophets.

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[QUOTE="xArKKAAaEX"]kill em all and let allah sort it out from thereMordusMythril

But God's kingdom is not of this world. Why kill people in this life when our fate lies within the next?

We aren't God though. We can't create life nor do we have the authority to destroy life either.

We are also sinners. Do we have the right to kill other sinners?

What's that saying about ourselves then? They commit the action and we condemn them when we ourselves are already condemned because of our own sinful natures evidenced by our own conscience?

Then its this mentality that is bringing an end to the world. Who are we to say the next coming of Christ isn't closer than ever?

There are radical Muslims, and there were radical Christians (time of Crusades). There's always radicals for any religions. You can't base the religion off of those individuals who are a minority.thotoz

True.  Couldn't agree more.

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[QUOTE="xArKKAAaEX"]kill em all and let allah sort it out from thereMordusMythril

But God's kingdom is not of this world. Why kill people in this life when our fate lies within the next?

We aren't God though. We can't create life nor do we have the authority to destroy life either.

We are also sinners. Do we have the right to kill other sinners?

What's that saying about ourselves then? They commit the action and we condemn them when we ourselves are already condemned because of our own sinful natures evidenced by our own conscience?

Then its this mentality that is bringing an end to the world. Who are we to say the next coming of Christ isn't closer than ever?

Man has always been self-destructive because of our sinful nature.  It is inherent in everyone because of the original sin.

And you're wrong, the only thing that can save us from our sinful ways is repentence of both spirit and mind through Christ.

There are radical Muslims, and there were radical Christians (time of Crusades). There's always radicals for any religions. You can't base the religion off of those individuals who are a minority.thotoz

QFT. It's truly amazing how few people on these forums see this.

Human nature dictates that any group of sufficient size will contain a decent percentage of idiots and *ssholes, especially if that group accepts anyone who wishes to join.

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[QUOTE="blue_elephant"]Wouldn't preaching hatred be a sin?Ineedtofindyou

I by no means am hating.  I simply ask the question, Is Jesus Good? Has he sinned?

Did his actions not confirm that he was God?  Have you ever read the article of Josepheous?  He was a jewish historian for the Romans and spoke oif the things Jesus did and accomplished.  Jesus' actions justify him being God.

If we don't judge Christ by his words, we can judge him on his actions.

His actions prove that he is the messiah and they fit within the scriptures(being born of a virgin, the nailing to the cross, the healing of the sick, etc).

The actions justify his words and his life justify scripture. If you have any other questions please ask.

They were prophets foretelling of the coming messiah.  Did Moses or any other prophet raise someone from the dead?  Did they rise up from the grave after 3 days?

Indeed, they were given blessings from God to spread his word for the fulfillment of the coming messiah, but that was their purpose.  Christ performed greater feats and fulfilled the promises of those prophets.

Also, I'm not that educational on Christianity, but can someone describe the Flood and Adam and Eve to me and how it could possibly be true of their actions? What about the Flood, and wasn't Noah some hundred years old? Is that possible? When I was a little kid my neighbour was a Christian and I believe I remember that from the Bible some individual was 500+ years old, or at least was known as the oldest man. Anyone remember his name?thotoz

Hope these help.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_and_eve

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noah%27s_ark

lol it's late and I'm lazy.

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[QUOTE="blue_elephant"]Wouldn't preaching hatred be a sin?blue_elephant

I by no means am hating.  I simply ask the question, Is Jesus Good? Has he sinned?

Did his actions not confirm that he was God?  Have you ever read the article of Josepheous?  He was a jewish historian for the Romans and spoke oif the things Jesus did and accomplished.  Jesus' actions justify him being God.

If we don't judge Christ by his words, we can judge him on his actions.

His actions prove that he is the messiah and they fit within the scriptures(being born of a virgin, the nailing to the cross, the healing of the sick, etc).

The actions justify his words and his life justify scripture. If you have any other questions please ask.

They were prophets foretelling of the coming messiah.  Did Moses or any other prophet raise someone from the dead?  Did they rise up from the grave after 3 days?

Indeed, they were given blessings from God to spread his word for the fulfillment of the coming messiah, but that was their purpose.  Christ performed greater feats and fulfilled the promises of those prophets.

lmao I forgot about him.  Ok fine. But what about the water into wine? The lepers? The blind man? :P

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[QUOTE="blue_elephant"]Wouldn't preaching hatred be a sin?Ineedtofindyou

I by no means am hating.  I simply ask the question, Is Jesus Good? Has he sinned?

Did his actions not confirm that he was God?  Have you ever read the article of Josepheous?  He was a jewish historian for the Romans and spoke oif the things Jesus did and accomplished.  Jesus' actions justify him being God.

If we don't judge Christ by his words, we can judge him on his actions.

His actions prove that he is the messiah and they fit within the scriptures(being born of a virgin, the nailing to the cross, the healing of the sick, etc).

The actions justify his words and his life justify scripture. If you have any other questions please ask.

They were prophets foretelling of the coming messiah.  Did Moses or any other prophet raise someone from the dead?  Did they rise up from the grave after 3 days?

Indeed, they were given blessings from God to spread his word for the fulfillment of the coming messiah, but that was their purpose.  Christ performed greater feats and fulfilled the promises of those prophets.

lmao I forgot about him.  Ok fine. But what about the water into wine? The lepers? The blind man? :P

EDIT: anyway, I'd say if someone could raise people from the dead, they could practice miracles similar to the ones you spoke of.

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[QUOTE="blue_elephant"]Wouldn't preaching hatred be a sin?blue_elephant

I by no means am hating.  I simply ask the question, Is Jesus Good? Has he sinned?

Did his actions not confirm that he was God?  Have you ever read the article of Josepheous?  He was a jewish historian for the Romans and spoke oif the things Jesus did and accomplished.  Jesus' actions justify him being God.

If we don't judge Christ by his words, we can judge him on his actions.

His actions prove that he is the messiah and they fit within the scriptures(being born of a virgin, the nailing to the cross, the healing of the sick, etc).

The actions justify his words and his life justify scripture. If you have any other questions please ask.

They were prophets foretelling of the coming messiah.  Did Moses or any other prophet raise someone from the dead?  Did they rise up from the grave after 3 days?

Indeed, they were given blessings from God to spread his word for the fulfillment of the coming messiah, but that was their purpose.  Christ performed greater feats and fulfilled the promises of those prophets.

lmao I forgot about him.  Ok fine. But what about the water into wine? The lepers? The blind man? :P

Yeah, Something along those lines.  I really need to brush up my old testament readings.  If anything, it just leads me into seeing how influential and important these prophets were.  I also remember reading up on John the baptist and his story. lol good times. 

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[QUOTE="blue_elephant"]Wouldn't preaching hatred be a sin?blue_elephant

I by no means am hating.  I simply ask the question, Is Jesus Good? Has he sinned?

Did his actions not confirm that he was God?  Have you ever read the article of Josepheous?  He was a jewish historian for the Romans and spoke oif the things Jesus did and accomplished.  Jesus' actions justify him being God.

If we don't judge Christ by his words, we can judge him on his actions.

His actions prove that he is the messiah and they fit within the scriptures(being born of a virgin, the nailing to the cross, the healing of the sick, etc).

The actions justify his words and his life justify scripture. If you have any other questions please ask.

They were prophets foretelling of the coming messiah.  Did Moses or any other prophet raise someone from the dead?  Did they rise up from the grave after 3 days?

Indeed, they were given blessings from God to spread his word for the fulfillment of the coming messiah, but that was their purpose.  Christ performed greater feats and fulfilled the promises of those prophets.

lmao I forgot about him.  Ok fine. But what about the water into wine? The lepers? The blind man? :P

EDIT: anyway, I'd say if someone could raise people from the dead, they could practice miracles similar to the ones you spoke of.

Yes, because they recieved their divine nature through God. But Christ was born and outnumbered the amount of miracles the prophets had done.  Ever time Christ went into a new city he performed multitudes of miracles. And ultimately coming from the dead to fulfill His Father's will.

Yeah, Something along those lines.  I really need to brush up my old testament readings.  If anything, it just leads me into seeing how influential and important these prophets were.  I also remember reading up on John the baptist and his story. lol good times. 

Ineedtofindyou

Elijah:

1) Causing the rain the cease for 3 1/2 years (1Ki 17:1)

2) Being fed by the ravens (1Ki 17:4)

3) Miracle of the barrel of meal and cruse of oil (1Ki 17:14)

4) Resurrection of the widow's son (1Ki 17:22)

5) Calling of fire from heaven on the altar (1Ki 18:38)

6) Causing it to rain (1Ki 18:45)

7) Prophecy that Ahab's sons would all be destroyed (1Ki 21:22)

8) Prophecy that Jezebel would be eaten by dogs (1Ki 21:23)

9) Prophecy that Ahaziah would die of his illness (2Ki 1:4)

10) Calling fire from heaven upon the first 50 soldiers (2Ki 2:10)

11) Calling fire from heaven upon the second 50 soldiers (2Ki 2:12)

12) Parting of the Jordan (2Ki 2:8)

13) Prophecy that Elisha should have a double portion of his spirit (2Ki 2:10)

14) Being caught up to heaven in a whirlwind (2Ki 2:11)

Elisha:

1) Parting of the Jordan (2Ki 2:14)

2) Healing of the waters (2Ki 2:21)

3) Curse of the she bears (2Ki 2:24)

4) Filling of the valley with water (2Ki 3:17)

5) Deception of the Moabites with the valley of blood (2Ki 3:22)

6) Miracle of the vessels of oil (2Ki 4:4)

7) Prophecy that the Shunammite woman would have a son (2Ki 4:16)

8) Resurrection of the Shunammite's son (2Ki 4:34)

9) Healing of the gourds (2Ki 4:41)

10) Miracle of the bread (2Ki 4:43)

11) Healing of Naaman (2Ki 5:14)

12) Perception of Gehazi's transgression (2Ki 5:26)

13) Cursing Gehazi with leprosy (2Ki 5:27)

14) Floating of the axe head (2Ki 6:6)

15) Prophecy of the Syrian battle plans (2Ki 6:9)

16) Vision of the chariots (2Ki 6:17)

17) Smiting the Syrian army with blindness (2Ki 6:18)

18) Restoring the sight of the Syrian army (2Ki 6:20)

19) Prophecy of the end of the great famine (2Ki 7:1)

20) Prophecy that the scoffing nobleman would see, but not partake of, the abundance (2Ki 7:2)

21) Deception of the Syrians with the sound of chariots (2Ki 7:6)

22) Prophecy of the seven-year famine (2Ki 8:1)

23) Prophecy of Benhadad's untimely death (2Ki 8:10)

24) Prophecy of Hazael's cruelty to Israel (2Ki 8:12)

25) Prophecy that Jehu would smite the house of Ahab (2Ki 9:7)

26) Prophecy that Joash would smite the Syrians at Aphek (2Ki 13:17)

27) Prophecy that Joash would smite Syria thrice but not consume it (2Ki 13:19)

28) Resurrection of the man touched by his bones (2Ki 13:21)

Besides that, in the bible is says at one point that jesus grew in wisdom and in god's favor. Wouldn't that imply that at one point he was flawed? How could an infallible being improve? Secondly, even if you dislike a religion that's no reason to disrespect them. If you recall jesus says: "This is my commandment, That ye love one another"

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Yeah, Something along those lines.  I really need to brush up my old testament readings.  If anything, it just leads me into seeing how influential and important these prophets were.  I also remember reading up on John the baptist and his story. lol good times. 

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And you assume I hate and am disgusted?  I'm simply having an intelligent discussion with you guys.  I love muslims and atheists and agnostics.  Don't assume that I don't, even if that's what you're interpreting from my words.