Christians that hate and judge h0mosexuals are hypocrites....

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

God and science are not enemies. Only if your a fundamentalist do you have a problem with it.

Religion actually formed the basis of civilization, and it continues to inspire people today. While some have done bad with it, for the most part, it's been a force of good.

ShadowMoses900

science and god are not enemies, but science and religion are because they are two paths to the same questions, and only one of them has been shown to work

I disagree, nothing in my religious views conflict with science. I believe in evolution and everything. It's only religious fundamentalism that is the issue. Religion has pushed society forward in many ways, it was in fact religion that inspired the early scientific discoveries.

The more I learn about science, the more I learn about God.

Burning people alive is never a force for good.

tenaka2

The old testament also says that any man who sleeps with another man should be put death (its phrased something like any man that sleeps with man kind). And peter calls homosexuality an abomination and sin because in his time romans practiced a lot of man on man sex. Diablo-B

It also calls women who wear pants an abomination. Same word, so why do many Christian women wear pants to church without getting hit with "GOD HATES WOMEN IN PANTS" protests?

The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God. -Deuteronomy 22:5

I often here from some Christians (certianly not all) that homosexuality is a sin and a death sentence to hell, and I wonder if these people have actually read The Bible to begin with.

Now to be fair I am a Jew so I may not have the best understanding of Christian theology, but I read The Bible (I find it important to learn about different faiths) and I can safely say that Christians (again some) have missed the point completely or never read it in the first place.

Jesus said "He who is without sin cast the first stone", guess what? That means that you are not allowed to judge homosexuals if you are a Christian. Jesus also said to love your neighbor as you love yourself, and that all men are God's children.

That also includes homosexuals. Also The Bible does not talk about same sex marriage, not once. It seems to be a non issue and Jesus seemed to be more concerned with heterosexual couples and what they do and not homosexuals.

The message of The Bible is to love God and to love others. Why do (some) people that call themselves Christians misunderstand this?

ShadowMoses900

Btw I full agree with the topic title, and yes I am christian.

Serraph105

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

God and science are not enemies. Only if your a fundamentalist do you have a problem with it.

Religion actually formed the basis of civilization, and it continues to inspire people today. While some have done bad with it, for the most part, it's been a force of good.

ShadowMoses900

science and god are not enemies, but science and religion are because they are two paths to the same questions, and only one of them has been shown to work

I disagree, nothing in my religious views conflict with science. I believe in evolution and everything. It's only religious fundamentalism that is the issue. Religion has pushed society forward in many ways, it was in fact religion that inspired the early scientific discoveries.

The more I learn about science, the more I learn about God.

I'll go with my definition of religion: An ever receeding pocket of human ignorance. Science starts with facts and looks for conclusions, you however are starting with the conclusion and looking for 'facts' to back up your claim.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

science and god are not enemies, but science and religion are because they are two paths to the same questions, and only one of them has been shown to work

wis3boi

I disagree, nothing in my religious views conflict with science. I believe in evolution and everything. It's only religious fundamentalism that is the issue. Religion has pushed society forward in many ways, it was in fact religion that inspired the early scientific discoveries.

The more I learn about science, the more I learn about God.

I'll go with my definition of religion: An ever receeding pocket of human ignorance. Science starts with facts and looks for conclusions, you however are starting with the conclusion and looking for 'facts' to back up your claim.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I often here from some Christians (certianly not all) that homosexuality is a sin and a death sentence to hell, and I wonder if these people have actually read The Bible to begin with.

Now to be fair I am a Jew so I may not have the best understanding of Christian theology, but I read The Bible (I find it important to learn about different faiths) and I can safely say that Christians (again some) have missed the point completely or never read it in the first place.

Jesus said "He who is without sin cast the first stone", guess what? That means that you are not allowed to judge homosexuals if you are a Christian. Jesus also said to love your neighbor as you love yourself, and that all men are God's children.

That also includes homosexuals. Also The Bible does not talk about same sex marriage, not once. It seems to be a non issue and Jesus seemed to be more concerned with heterosexual couples and what they do and not homosexuals.

The message of The Bible is to love God and to love others. Why do (some) people that call themselves Christians misunderstand this?

JoGoSo

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I disagree, nothing in my religious views conflict with science. I believe in evolution and everything. It's only religious fundamentalism that is the issue. Religion has pushed society forward in many ways, it was in fact religion that inspired the early scientific discoveries.

The more I learn about science, the more I learn about God.

Nuck81

I'll go with my definition of religion: An ever receeding pocket of human ignorance. Science starts with facts and looks for conclusions, you however are starting with the conclusion and looking for 'facts' to back up your claim.

and has nothing to do with what I said

I'm not homophobic, and I think everyone should mind their own business, but I don't support homosexuality either. I think for me that's the way to go.ShadowsDemon

"I'm not racist, and I think everyone should mind their own business, but I don't support blacks either. I think for me that's the way to go."

Makes just as little sense as what you said.

[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="themajormayor"] ewwwwthemajormayor

I really dont feel like I'm missing anything.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="Nuck81"] 30-40 years ago oral sex was considered Taboo.Teenaged

I really dont feel like I'm missing anything.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"] but it's gross. I don't want my penis in that sh*thole. Tossing the sallad on the other hand=yum!themajormayor

I really dont feel like I'm missing anything.

***HINT***

[spoiler] Enemas [/spoiler]

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"] 30-40 years ago oral sex was considered Taboo.toast_burner

I really dont feel like I'm missing anything.

You are missing the natural activity for human reproduction ;). o0squishy0o

If I want in the future... personally I dont think its a good sign when people want kids so bad that if they cant have them then something feels wrong. If I have a partner that I truly love I really want nothing else. I'll let the straights fill in relationship gaps with some offspring (which is definitely true for many).

And I dont feel like the world will miss my genes.

[QUOTE="Diablo-B"]The old testament also says that any man who sleeps with another man should be put death (its phrased something like any man that sleeps with man kind). And peter calls homosexuality an abomination and sin because in his time romans practiced a lot of man on man sex. br0kenrabbit

It also calls women who wear pants an abomination. Same word, so why do many Christian women wear pants to church without getting hit with "GOD HATES WOMEN IN PANTS" protests?

The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God. -Deuteronomy 22:5

I don't see anywhere that says women can't wear pants. You can't wear men's clothing doesn't mean you can't wear pants. Furthermore, men didn't even wear pants back then.

There are female designers today who design clothing for women, and they have jeans/pants/shorts in female cuts. That's definitely not a man's garment.

Likewise, it's not a sin for a man to wear a skirt. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the togas worn by Romans, sarongs worn by Yemenites/Malays/Indians, or kilts worn by Scots.

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"]I'm not homophobic, and I think everyone should mind their own business, but I don't support homosexuality either. I think for me that's the way to go.toast_burner

"I'm not racist, and I think everyone should mind their own business, but I don't support blacks either. I think for me that's the way to go."

Makes just as little sense as what you said.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"]I'm not homophobic, and I think everyone should mind their own business, but I don't support homosexuality either. I think for me that's the way to go.ShadowsDemon

"I'm not racist, and I think everyone should mind their own business, but I don't support blacks either. I think for me that's the way to go."

Makes just as little sense as what you said.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"]I'm not homophobic, and I think everyone should mind their own business, but I don't support homosexuality either. I think for me that's the way to go.ShadowsDemon

"I'm not racist, and I think everyone should mind their own business, but I don't support blacks either. I think for me that's the way to go."

Makes just as little sense as what you said.

[QUOTE="JoGoSo"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I often here from some Christians (certianly not all) that homosexuality is a sin and a death sentence to hell, and I wonder if these people have actually read The Bible to begin with.

Now to be fair I am a Jew so I may not have the best understanding of Christian theology, but I read The Bible (I find it important to learn about different faiths) and I can safely say that Christians (again some) have missed the point completely or never read it in the first place.

Jesus said "He who is without sin cast the first stone", guess what? That means that you are not allowed to judge homosexuals if you are a Christian. Jesus also said to love your neighbor as you love yourself, and that all men are God's children.

That also includes homosexuals. Also The Bible does not talk about same sex marriage, not once. It seems to be a non issue and Jesus seemed to be more concerned with heterosexual couples and what they do and not homosexuals.

The message of The Bible is to love God and to love others. Why do (some) people that call themselves Christians misunderstand this?

Nuck81

That is not judging the person in terms of salvation just in terms of whether they can carry out the "job function" of what's required to be a Christian. To simplify even further- You can't be a doctor unless you get a medical degree. That doesn't mean that doctors condemn others for not having a degree. Quite the contrary, they help them more.

People, including Christians need to take the bible with a grain of salt. The bible has some good moments and some "wtf" moments Swanogt19

The gay man would be going to hell for lying more than having sexual relations with another man. Your average citizen would be going to hell for their pride or contempt towards others. There are bigger reasons why we deserve to go to hell than homosexuality. Also note that Jesus also said to the woman in question "Go, and sin no more." Did she commit adultery? Who knows, but whatever she did, Jesus gave her a second chance. The whole point is, whatever your sin is, God is willing to forgive if you accept Jesus has already died and raised again. The Torah cannot make you good, it is only meant to make us aware of our sins, and our need for a savior.hiphops_savior

Without wanting to get in an argument on semantics and dictionary definitions, continuously calling a person's orientation and lifestyle a "sin" is pretty f*cking hateful.MrPraline

Why does it matter to people who *don't* believe in the aforementioned religion though.

I mean if a Buddhist told me my Karma was going to get me reincarnated as a single-celled organism, I'd be offended if I were Buddhist (since he's saying I'm a terrible person), but if I'm not what is "karma" to me?

What is a "sin" to someone who doesn't follow the Abrahamic faiths anyway?

[QUOTE="MrPraline"]Without wanting to get in an argument on semantics and dictionary definitions, continuously calling a person's orientation and lifestyle a "sin" is pretty f*cking hateful.th3warr1or

Why does it matter to people who *don't* believe in the aforementioned religion though.

I mean if a Buddhist told me my Karma was going to get me reincarnated as a single-celled organism, I'd be offended if I were Buddhist (since he's saying I'm a terrible person), but if I'm not what is "karma" to me?

What is a "sin" to someone who doesn't follow the Abrahamic faiths anyway?

[QUOTE="th3warr1or"]

[QUOTE="MrPraline"]Without wanting to get in an argument on semantics and dictionary definitions, continuously calling a person's orientation and lifestyle a "sin" is pretty f*cking hateful.MrPraline

Why does it matter to people who *don't* believe in the aforementioned religion though.

I mean if a Buddhist told me my Karma was going to get me reincarnated as a single-celled organism, I'd be offended if I were Buddhist (since he's saying I'm a terrible person), but if I'm not what is "karma" to me?

What is a "sin" to someone who doesn't follow the Abrahamic faiths anyway?

But it's only bad in that religion. If you don't believe in that religion, it shouldn't even have an emotional or psychological impact on you. It's like Christians telling non-Christians that they're going to hell for rejecting Jsus.

So if someone tells you that you're not going to enter the kingdom of [the Christian] god for being immoral or sinful, and you don't even believe in his definition of sin, much less his religion, I really don't see why it should even affect you.

I really don't see why people who disagree with religion are looking for approval from religious people. It's not going to happen. I know that by [insert religion]'s standards I'm a terrible person, and frankly, I don't give a crap. I'm not going to bother asking adherents of that religion why they think I'm bad or even challenge their beliefs.

Yes, the Buddhist may be implying I'm a terrible person, but that's according to HIS beliefs, not mine. According to HIS beliefs, I *am* a terrible person. Doesn't mean I am one. Same thing applies here. Insert any religion with atheism/agnosticism/another religion.

This isn't even just exclusive to religion. Liberals are crazy to Conservatives, Conservatives are crazy to Liberals, Democracy is crazy to Communism, Communism is crazy to Democracy.

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]

....people in OT seem to forget the OT

Nuck81

Catholics, not christians.

N30F3N1X

[QUOTE="MrPraline"]Without wanting to get in an argument on semantics and dictionary definitions, continuously calling a person's orientation and lifestyle a "sin" is pretty f*cking hateful.th3warr1or

Why does it matter to people who *don't* believe in the aforementioned religion though.

I mean if a Buddhist told me my Karma was going to get me reincarnated as a single-celled organism, I'd be offended if I were Buddhist (since he's saying I'm a terrible person), but if I'm not what is "karma" to me?

What is a "sin" to someone who doesn't follow the Abrahamic faiths anyway?

According to HIS beliefs, I *am* a terrible person.th3warr1or

Problem is it doesn't explain why it's a sin so what it says is completely meaningless.toast_burner

After all, why would a believer care what a non-believer thinks?JoGoSo

Without wanting to get in an argument on semantics and dictionary definitions, continuously calling a person's orientation and lifestyle a "sin" is pretty f*cking hateful.MrPraline

[QUOTE="JoGoSo"]After all, why would a believer care what a non-believer thinks?MrPraline

To be fair Jesus's gang were all guys, it was a total sausage fest.

They didn't even have female strippers for the last supper.

Think about it.

To be fair Jesus's gang were all guys, it was a total sausage fest.

They didn't even have female strippers for the last supper.

Think about it.

tenaka2

Without wanting to get in an argument on semantics and dictionary definitions, continuously calling a person's orientation and lifestyle a "sin" is pretty f*cking hateful.MrPraline

[QUOTE="th3warr1or"]

[QUOTE="MrPraline"]Without wanting to get in an argument on semantics and dictionary definitions, continuously calling a person's orientation and lifestyle a "sin" is pretty f*cking hateful.Treflis

Why does it matter to people who *don't* believe in the aforementioned religion though.

I mean if a Buddhist told me my Karma was going to get me reincarnated as a single-celled organism, I'd be offended if I were Buddhist (since he's saying I'm a terrible person), but if I'm not what is "karma" to me?

What is a "sin" to someone who doesn't follow the Abrahamic faiths anyway?

Depends. Am I physically doing anything to them that makes them suffer? Or is this "suffering" the same kind of suffering that Christians claim all non-Christians are going to endure in the afterlife? If it's the former, it's wrong only because it's assault, and is no more or less wrong than racism, etc. If the latter, there is absolutely jack sh*t suffering involved unless you believe it.

Seriously, it's no different from saying someone who has premarital sex is going to hell. Unless you believe hell exists, there is absolutely no issue. Sure, the person saying it may be annoying. If someone beats you up for having premarital sex, that's another issue altogether.