Arrested for gross indecency

From this mornings BBC World News:

A court in Malawi has convicted a gay couple of gross indecency and unnatural acts.

Steven Monjeza, 26(L) and Tiwonge Chimbalanga, 20(R) face 14 years in jail.

They were arrested in December 2009 after celebrating their engagement ahead of a wedding planned for 2010.

They have been in jail ever since and could now face 14 years in prison.

Their arrest had sparked international condemnation and a debate about homosexuality in the country.

Judge Nyakwawa Usiwa-Usiwa convicted both men of engaging in gay sex which he said was "against the order of nature".

Same-sex liaisons are frowned upon in Malawi, where homosexual acts are outlawed.

The Centre for the Development of People (Cedep) and the Centre for Human Rights and Rehabilitation (CHRR) have been urging authorities to relax the country's stance on homosexuals.

The BBC's Raphael Tenthani in Blantyre says the government is also coming under pressure from Western donors over the issue.

For a poor country, 40% of whose development budget depends on donors, that is no mean threat.

Bail was rejected after they were arrested so these men have spent the entire time since this first happened incarcerated.

I knew that there was still problems with homophobia in parts of the world, even the west but had not realized how bad it got in some places.

wow...

that is sincerely and utterly terrible.

14 years in prison because they are in love and wanted to celebrate their engagement?

some countries in this world are putrid and unjust.

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The joy from the onlookers is disturbing.

They'll get out quickly, I'm sure, thanks to government pressure.

This is just plain stupid, prosecuting someone because they love someone of the same sex is wrong.

Well I'm not for that but that's harsh.

I'm religious and i don't care if you are gay or not, its none of my business what you do is your choices and your life. So this is terrible i hope they are both released.

Yup. That's pretty messed up.

I'm no hater to the "Gay-trend"....

elzabador

what's the gay trend?

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I'm no hater to the "Gay-trend"....

no_more_fayth

what's the gay trend?

They worth it and every one of their species....

I'm no hater to the "Gay-trend".... but as long as THE WOMAN lives upon the Earth, I shall NOT live my life with something hard in my A"S...

LONG LIVE THE WOMAN !!!

HAIL HAIL !! :)):)):))

"

elzabador

Bad joke there... Gay people are not the same, meaning they are totally different... We just have to accept that... You don't have a choice to be gay or not obviously.

Every second that gay rights are denied to gay people is a second of human rights being denied to people...

Every second that gay rights are denied to gay people is a second of human rights being denied to people...

Vesica_Prime

that's very true.

:/

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[QUOTE="elzabador"]

I'm no hater to the "Gay-trend"....

elzabador

what's the gay trend?

Sorry... the internet connection...

"Gay trend"; i'm referring at it like that because the media made it like that... they are naw like Hippie's during the mid-1960s... naw we have only Gay broadcasts on TV, gay fashion. etc etc.... everything for audience....

[QUOTE="elzabador"][QUOTE="no_more_fayth"]

what's the gay trend?

elzabador

Sorry... the internet connection...

"Gay trend"; i'm referring at it like that because the media made it like that... they are naw like Hippie's during the mid-1960s... naw we have only Gay broadcasts on TV, gay fashion. etc etc.... everything for audience....

You do know that a lot of Ancient Greeks were homosexual? So its not like its a 'new trend' as you like to call it.

Thath's why the Roman Empire conqured them :) :) :)

[QUOTE="elzabador"][QUOTE="no_more_fayth"]

what's the gay trend?

elzabador

Sorry... the internet connection...

"Gay trend"; i'm referring at it like that because the media made it like that... they are naw like Hippie's during the mid-1960s... naw we have only Gay broadcasts on TV, gay fashion. etc etc.... everything for audience....

Thath's why the Roman Empire conqured them :) :) :)

elzabador

And Rome had homosexuality and tolerated it as well, your point being?

Well I'm not for that but that's harsh.dunl12496

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[QUOTE="elzabador"]LoseEagles1245

Well in my part of Europe, if you are not a gay or lesbian you don't have a chance to get yourself on TV. Even if you are Olympic at Maths/Physics, or in the best Rock band,or the best DJ.... but if you are gay or better, a band of gays.... you are on TV... (everything for audience)

[QUOTE="elzabador"]

Thath's why the Roman Empire conqured them :) :) :)

Vesica_Prime

And Rome had homosexuality and tolerated it as well, your point being?

it was a JOKE .....

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[QUOTE="elzabador"]

Thath's why the Roman Empire conqured them :) :) :)

elzabador

And Rome had homosexuality and tolerated it as well, your point being?

it was a JOKE .....

And I DIDN'T find it funny.

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[QUOTE="LoseEagles1245"] We only have gay broadcasts on TV?bloodling

so what???

i'm having a great time, annoying people..... you can call me ORANGE from naw on :):):)

I don't and probably will never understand the reason why people complain about homosexuality being "unnatural" - even assuming it is "unnatural", it is unnatural to a far lesser extent than every single aspect of human civilization.

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bloodling

so what???

i'm having a great time, annoying people..... you can call me ORANGE from naw on :):):)

Do you think this place is called AnnoyingSpot?

[QUOTE="bloodling"]

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elzabador

No... but it was funny no???

This discussion made me happy again..... i was angry . My new boss is gay and he just cut my salary with 15% ...because it's crisis... not just because he tried to hit on me, and because i love women, i've rejected him :):):)

i sense some latent feelings here. *cough*

hahaha.

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elzabador

No... but it was funny no???

This discussion made me happy again..... i was angry . My new boss is gay and he just cut my salary with 15% ...because it's crisis... not just because he tried to hit on me, and because i love women, i've rejected him :):):)

It's not because you love women that you're not gay It's simply because you're not gay Gay people love women too, they just aren't emotionally attracted to them.

wow...That is just wrong.

i sense some latent feelings here. *cough*

hahaha.

no_more_fayth

maybe .... :):):)

Thanks dudes forstand the strain ofmy ideeas and cheering me up :)

Now back to worck... kiss kiss :):):)

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i sense some latent feelings here. *cough*

hahaha.

elzabador

maybe .... :):):)

Thanks dudes forstand the strain ofmy ideeas and cheering me up :)

Now back to worck... kiss kiss :):):)

i'm not homophobic in the slightest.

that didn't bother me.

kiss kiss.

:D

Man those are some happy people around the car

the boss is watching me...... hope not stalking...

:)):)):))

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A court in Malawi hasiowastate

wow...

that is sincerely and utterly terrible.

14 years in prison because they are in love and wanted to celebrate their engagement?

some countries in this world are putrid and unjust.

):

no_more_fayth

The joy from the onlookers is disturbing.

jasperrussell

And Rome had homosexuality and tolerated it as well, your point being?

Vesica_Prime

Not really. Except for a few "eccentric" emperors, the Romans generally had a more conservative outlook than the Greeks. For the most part, homosexuality was considered "depraved" by most under the Republic and the emperor Augustus. Trajan administered the empire with an anti-hedonistic slant. Overall, the Roman empire was not as hedonistic as many people today believe. Too many people accept the empire of Hadrian, Caligula, Nero, and Elagabalus as representative of Rome as a whole, while forgetting the period of the Republic, the empire of Augustus and Trajan, and the empire under the Christian emperors.

It went back in forth. In some periods, homosexuality was more tolerated, while in others, homosexuality was condemned as an abomination.

Rome cannot be generalized as easily as you think. One of the reasons that Christianity took such a strong hold of the population of the empire is because it agreed with a strong anti-hedonistic sentiment that was common among a broad swath of the Roman population, particularly with some of the lower classes such as slaves. Many in Roman society resented the hedonistic lifestyles of the Roman elite, especially slaves that always ended up bearing the brunt of such behavior. Even among the upper classes, condemnation of sexual excess was a common theme of commentary. It was common for military failures to be blamed on sexual overindulgence. This didn't just apply to homosexuality, however, as it was not the only behavior that was considered overindulgent. Also, keep in mind that the polytheistic Roman religion had many cults, with some cults radically conflicting with each other in matters of sex. Roman society was actually quite complex, IMO. It is impossible to generalize it.

Also, note that the most hedonistic emperors were the ones that ended up getting themselves assasinated or committing suicide to avoid being dragged through the streets in chains. A proper exception must be made for Hadrian, who died of natural causes, but he lies somewhere between the hedonistic and pious emperors, not quite fitting into either category.

The more conservative and "pious" emperors were usually the ones that ended up dying of old age and natural causes.

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

And Rome had homosexuality and tolerated it as well, your point being?

dkrustyklown

Not really. Except for a few "eccentric" emperors, the Romans generally had a more conservative outlook than the Greeks. For the most part, homosexuality was considered "depraved" by most under the Republic and the emperor Augustus. Trajan administered the empire with an anti-hedonistic slant. Overall, the Roman empire was not as hedonistic as many people today believe. Too many people accept the empire of Hadrian, Caligula, Nero, and Elagabalus as representative of Rome as a whole, while forgetting the period of the Republic, the empire of Augustus and Trajan, and the empire under the Christian emperors.

It went back in forth. In some periods, homosexuality was more tolerated, while in others, homosexuality was condemned as an abomination.

Rome cannot be generalized as easily as you think. One of the reasons that Christianity took such a strong hold of the population of the empire is because it agreed with a strong anti-hedonistic sentiment that was common among a broad swath of the Roman population, particularly with some of the lower classes such as slaves. Many in Roman society resented the hedonistic lifestyles of the Roman elite, especially slaves that always ended up bearing the brunt of such behavior. Even among the upper classes, condemnation of sexual excess was a common theme of commentary. It was common for military failures to be blamed on sexual overindulgence. This didn't just apply to homosexuality, however, as it was not the only behavior that was considered overindulgent. Also, keep in mind that the polytheistic Roman religion had many cults, with some cults radically conflicting with each other in matters of sex. Roman society was actually quite complex, IMO. It is impossible to generalize it.

Also, note that the most hedonistic emperors were the ones that ended up getting themselves assasinated or committing suicide to avoid being dragged through the streets in chains. A proper exception must be made for Hadrian, who died of natural causes, but he lies somewhere between the hedonistic and pious emperors, not quite fitting into either category.

The more conservative and "pious" emperors were usually the ones that ended up dying of old age and natural causes.

Julius Caesar was bisexual.

most men in those times were.

that was the norm.

They worth it and every one of their species....

I'm no hater to the "Gay-trend".... but as long as THE WOMAN lives upon the Earth, I shall NOT live my life with something hard in my A"S...

LONG LIVE THE WOMAN !!!

HAIL HAIL !! :)):)):))

"

elzabador

wow...

that is sincerely and utterly terrible.

14 years in prison because they are in love and wanted to celebrate their engagement?

some countries in this world are putrid and unjust.

):

no_more_fayth

People need to get into their thick heads that homosexuality is NOT a choice, it's a part of who they are. Nobody chooses to be gay They were just born gay.

Julius Caesar was bisexual.no_more_fayth

That is a common, but false claim. It is based on an old slander against Caeser by his opponents, who accused him of being a catamite. Calling someone a catamite was a common insult in both the Roman republic and empire. This attempt by his opponents to discredit him have never been substantiated.

most men in those times were.

that was the norm.

no_more_fayth

No, it wasn't the norm amongst Roman men, actually. It was somewhat more common amongst Roman elites whose households contained many slaves, but nonetheless it was not a widespread pattern. It was much less common amongst the lower classes, who could not afford to keep slaves.

Those people are really excited to see a truck.