All things related to Donald Trump's ever-growing legal woes

Update: updated the topic title to include everything from his federal Flordia and DC criminal indictments, his New York case, and his Georgia indictments coming down tonight. Feel free to discuss any civil cases ongoing as well, like with E Jean Carroll or Michael Cohen.

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Given there's no more Political Gamera forum, this is the most appropriate place by default, so...

So, this is all according to Donald Trump himself. Good. I don't think the issue was so much he had them, others have had them when they shouldn't, as sure his die-hard defenders will point out. But none went to the lengths he did to retain them, the obstruct their return, or even obstruct the investigations. He should be held accountable.

According to Trump's social media posts, he's expected to appear in Florida on Tuesday. Guess we'll see if he'll still live up to his Teflon Don nickname.

Just 7 counts? Seems light if you ask me. Best to wait until Tuesday to find out what they really are.

This seems light treason.

Could be for multitude of reasons. For starters it's been discussed this is an Espionage Act case where document classification won't be relevant, and easier to prosecute given how disputing the nature of classified documents can muddle proceedings. They also discussed on TV why there's a Florida federal grand jury, and something to do with the conservative Supreme Court is sitting on ruling over the issue of venue in federal cases and whether if that's ever contested they may decide that cases can't be retried if it means getting Trump off the hook. Maybe they're keeping the scope of charges narrow because of the venue, under that consideration that the venue can be contested and charges tossed. There's also consideration of time with regard to the 2024 elections. I also figure, depending on how this plays out, that they can always pursue additional charges later, and if that's the case it might be easier after he's been convicted, both in obtaining information and with the DOJ dealing with his hostile political supporters after he's been publicly disgraced in the national and worldwide spotlight.

But, as you say, guess we'll see when they list the charges. I don't think they'll be light. And to Donald Trump, he takes the slightest of slights as the worst affront to his ego. No doubt he'll be Truth Social'ing on the shitter at 3am about how he's the worst treated person in history and how it's so unfair he never once did anything wrong. This really needs to be his theme song:

Willful Retention under the Espionage Act, Conspiracy to Obstruct, and False Statements (this one is possibly also a Conspiracy charge).

Deservedly so.

Good.

But conviction is a whole ‘nother matter entirely, one that I’m skeptical about. But anything that places the heat onto Trump I welcome.

Stupid

and the general public will think it's stupid, especially after seeing Biden with boxes of classified documents laying around his garage.

Double standard.

This will just rally the Trump base and make him more popular. Makes him look like the political outsider. (He kind of is) *shrug*

@sargentd: There's no double standard here.

Trump repeatedly lied about owning the documents and returning the documents, and he supposedly moved them after being instructed to return them. He knew he had them, he knew he hadn't declassified them, and he wanted to share them.

There's a massive difference between that and Biden, who self-reported that he had some documents, agreed to a search to find any more documents, and immediately returned everything he could.

There's also a matter of scale. Biden had 25-30 documents. Trump had 184 (plus any he hasn't returned yet).

So yeah, any member of the general public would obviously side against Trump here. You'd have to be blindingly devoted to the guy to think he wasn't in deep shit for this one.

@Planeforger: you need to hear other people's perspectives, it's good for you. embrace that I interrupted the circle jerk with a different but very valid perspective *pats shoulder*

Great Rant! 👍👍👍

But you haven’t addressed his points as to how it’s not a double standard, which are valid.

No one is (or should be) above the law.

Also, what happened to the Political Gamers forum?

@sargentd: This isn't about perspectives.

You were in the other thread when this story first broke. You remember Trump initially saying he didn't have any documents. Then he said he returned them. Then he said he didn't return them but he didn't have to. Then he implied that the documents were planted. Then he said everyone took documents and it was fine. Then he said he would have returned them if they just asked him. Then he said the folders were empty. Then he said the documents were declassified.

Trump's stories never lined up. He changed his explanation over and over again, and they can't all be true. He lied, repeatedly. There's audio evidence and other testimony showing that he lied. And now he's facing serious criminal charges.

You were watching this story unfold. You saw Trump repeatedly change his story. So I don't know how you can be across all of that information, and still somehow act shocked at the possibility that maybe he committed a crime.

It's called being in a cult.

I hope right now he's thinking...

GameSpot thought it's better if they'd be the only ones talking politics in articles that they don't let people comment on. So they shut it down.

This website is an embarrassing pile of shit, basically.

trump will not be stopped this time. Biden is going to f up more of the united states before trump goes in. 2024 can't come fast enough.

What trump did was wrong. Because you hang around echo chambers doesn't change what the majority of people who don't hang around there think about this. He's lost some Republican voters as well. And he didn't have enough voters to start with for a general election.

Accept the inevitably. Unless sleepy Joe walks by his decision to run again or has a severe health incident, he will have a second term regardless of who the GOP puts up.

look at that. the most active thread in the past month on OT is a political thread.

soooo we don't want user's interacting with a site now? good for business?

Donald Trump, always making history :)

I believe in justice - do not believe this smearing until you hear the case in the court under oaths.

Court does not always render justice.

Wait, you didn't see the sticky-locked thread in OT? Taken from Gamespot Staff:

Fandom is proud to be a place of belonging for all fans. We take online trust & safety very seriously across all our brands and as of Tuesday, May 16, we closed all political discussion boards on GameSpot and GameFAQs, specifically ones that violate our terms of use by promoting abusive language.

More details here in this thread if you want to hear everyone's opinion: PG forum gone

Update:

Indictment

1. Willful Retention of national defense information, Espionage Act - 31 counts

2. Conspiracy to Obstruct Justice

3. Withholding a document or record

4. Corruptly concealing a document

5. Concealing a document in a federal investigation

6. Scheming to conceal

7. False Statements and representations

There is a whole bunch more info...he is cooked, IMO

Reading the indictment, doesn't look good. His aid/staffer or whatever, Nauta, they coordinated hiding the documents from Trump's own attorney, who went to search Mar-A-Lago June 2nd to do a search, and Nauta moved the boxes to Trump"s residence while they searched the storage room, where they still found documents. That attorney would not sign to response to the DOJ to return the subpoenaed documents and instead they brought another in to sign off of the subpeona.

So, Trump and Nauta basically coordinated hiding documents from his own attorney. Most baffling in DOJ's indictment is mentioning of Trump loading these boxes of classified documents onto his private plane and taking them with him in his travels, and haven't done subsequent searches of his other properties.

Here's a link if you wanna read the whole indictment, and the DOJ his holding a press briefing in about 20 minutes, 3pm eastern time.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/06/09/us/trump-indictment-document-annotated.html

The Feds win 95% of their cases.

Trump is cooked.

@texasgoldrush: the venue is Florida, which has become a Mecca for MAGA Karens, and the judge appointed to oversee proceedings is that Aileen Cannon, the Trump appointed judge who appeased Trump's tactics to jam up DOJ with his special masters request, and who the DOJ had to go to a higher court to intervene against her. So, will be interesting, I don't think Trump will get not guilty charges, but I can see a hung jury and a retrial or few.

The government can file a motion to get rid of Cannon, and voir dire should get rid of the Karens.

He convicted himself in section 34.

Taped interview with 2 staffers, a writer, and a publisher.

Discusses and waves around a secret document describing a contingency plan to attack a foreign country and explicitly states:

1. It's a secret document, brags about it

2. Shouldn't be sharing it with them

3. Could have declassified it when POTUS, but didn't

4. Can't declassify it now because he isn't POTUS

5. It is still secret.

I laugh. Moron convicts himself with his own words on tape. Zero room for interpretation.

Oof.

He straight up says "This is still secret and I can't declassify now I'm not president. Have a look!"

What a tool.

well if biden wins expect another civil war.

people have had enough and will over run him. constitution allows us to over run the government.

He also exposed himself not only to this case but the Georgia one in that CNN Town Hall.

@gifford38: Show us where.

You haven't read The Constitution.

The unsealed parts of the Indictment show that Trump was hoarding nuclear defence secrets of the US and other nations. Yikes.

If there's any indication that he sold or leaked that information to foreign powers...I wonder, does the US hang its traitors anymore?

No it does not.

Need to liquidate the FBI and DOJ. Too many partisan hacks working for the DNC in these agencies. The weaponization of our agencies against political opposition is destructive to our Republic. You could say it's interference with our elections at this point. It's a slippery slope.

Need to nip this in the Bud. No doubt Trump is sick of this kangaroo court Bullshit. Will vote for him to go Schedule F on all these beauracrats working for the DOJ.

I want Vengeance!! And if I want it I know Trump wants it even 100x more.

Want him to go in and clean this shit up.

Trump 2024

Really tired of this weekend at Bernie's skit with Joe Biden.

It's embarrassing to watch.

The only things Democrats are good at accomplishing:

Higher Crime

Higher Inflation

Higher illegal immigration

Higher Taxes

More War

And calling everyone a racist or homophobe for calling out their failures.

You want to get rid of the FBI and Department of Justice, because they are doing their jobs? And that bit about vengeance.....come on man, you don't even sound like a real person anymore. You sound like a tv character who's writer jumped the shark a few seasons ago.

@sargentd: Grand Jury from the conservative state of Florida dude.

@LJS9502_basic: DC Indictment DUUDDDEEE

I'm not the only one who sees this for what it is..

Damn, Anonymous of all people? Then something must be wrong if even Anonymous thinks that. Maybe that screenshot could be used in court as Trump's main defence strategy.

Grand Jury in Florida!

Just letting people know what others or saying. My view is this is the weaponization of our federal agencies (DOJ,FBI) to go after the opposition candidate to the Establishment 👍👍👍👍

"The walls are closing in"

For like the 137473939x time.

I'm tired of this stupid shit, he's running for president.

If you want to beat him in 2024 you'll have to do it with votes, not by using the DOJ to go after him.

Super dangerous precident this is.