question about the zelda universe- ganondorf (spoilers)

spoilers btw... for ocarina of time, with some wind waker and twilight princess (you would have to have beaten all those games)

anyway, ocarina of time introduced Ganondorf. It was my understanding that Ganon had assumed the form of ganondorf to assume the form of the legendary leader of the Gerudo,a group that recieves a male so rarely that it becomes the stuff of prophecy. Anyway, so ganon sees this as an opening, assumes the form of the leader (he looks obviously like a Gerudo) and then uses that position as a base to not only command, but also to weasel his way into hyrule under the guise of missions of diplomacy (since he's supposed to bethe Gerudo leader). My proof for Ganondorf being a false king is that the woman who eventually becomes the sage for the Gerudo allies with Link because she knows this to be the truth, and is also validated by the fact that the Gerudo are not an evil tribe, just a warrior tribe in the desert. If their leader of prophecy was supposedly Ganon, wouldn't they have to be evil? Anyway, Ganondorf is also unmasked in the final sequences, exposing Ganon as his true form. So, he was Ganon all along.

So why is Ganondorf so prominant both when he is sealed away at the end of ocarina, and then is the main villain in wind waker and twilight princess? There's like this Gerudo hanging around in those games where there isn't even a Gerudo tribe in those two games. To me it doesn't really make much sense.

Well, one of the few canon aspects of the zelda timeline is that OoT is basically the first game chronologically (i've heard Minsish cap might be before it, but I don't really know). I was under the impression Ganon was originally the human ganondorf and became super-powerful and practically immortal through the triforce of power he gets in OoT.

Yes, Ganondorf became Ganon using the Triforce of power. What makes you think Ganon was a seperate entity? You think some monster took the place of Ganondorf? When was this hinted at in any way?Shy-Link

Well, one of the few canon aspects of the zelda timeline is that OoT is basically the first game chronologically (i've heard Minsish cap might be before it, but I don't really know). I was under the impression Ganon was originally the human ganondorf and became super-powerful and practically immortal through the triforce of power he gets in OoT.

fredrancour

Makes me wonder though, what of the race of pigs? There seems to be pigs that are mainly ganon's minions. Are they also transformed in some way? I'm thinking of Zelda 1 and Link to the past here (and maybewindwaker and TP). There seems to be pigs leading up to the big, mean pig, Ganon. Kind of like Bowser is king of the koopas, like the head of that proud race. That's the way I've always seen it. So, what's the deal with the pigs?

The most popular speculation is that there are two timelines after OoT (the first game in the series according the Miyamoto) Windwaker follows the time of adult link and TP follows when Link was a child.

So that would be two separate Ganons.

I think the pig form of Ganon is just him using the triforce of power. And just because a leader is evil doesn't mean the people have to be. Look at the world today.

And the pig people you're talking about are the Moblins.

The most popular speculation is that there are two timelines after OoT (the first game in the series according the Miyamoto) Windwaker follows the time of adult link and TP follows when Link was a child.

So that would be two separate Ganons.

I think the pig form of Ganon is just him using the triforce of power. And just because a leader is evil doesn't mean the people have to be. Look at the world today.

And the pig people you're talking about are the Moblins.

roflcopter616

I would say Ganondorf is his real form, where as Ganon (being his feral pig form), is him transformed by the Triforce of Power. So him being a Gerudo in the games to come is simply because that's just who he is.

The timeline is very confusing but I haveheard that one of the creators has a master document of how they all fit together we will have to wait for them to realease it or something or figure it out.

The timeline is very confusing but I haveheard that one of the creators has a master document of how they all fit together we will have to wait for them to realease it or something or figure it out.

leegar88

We must raid Miyamoto's house.

spoilers btw... for ocarina of time, with some wind waker and twilight princess (you would have to have beaten all those games)

anyway, ocarina of time introduced Ganondorf. It was my understanding that Ganon had assumed the form of ganondorf to assume the form of the legendary leader of the Gerudo,a group that recieves a male so rarely that it becomes the stuff of prophecy. Anyway, so ganon sees this as an opening, assumes the form of the leader (he looks obviously like a Gerudo) and then uses that position as a base to not only command, but also to weasel his way into hyrule under the guise of missions of diplomacy (since he's supposed to bethe Gerudo leader). My proof for Ganondorf being a false king is that the woman who eventually becomes the sage for the Gerudo allies with Link because she knows this to be the truth, and is also validated by the fact that the Gerudo are not an evil tribe, just a warrior tribe in the desert. If their leader of prophecy was supposedly Ganon, wouldn't they have to be evil? Anyway, Ganondorf is also unmasked in the final sequences, exposing Ganon as his true form. So, he was Ganon all along.

So why is Ganondorf so prominant both when he is sealed away at the end of ocarina, and then is the main villain in wind waker and twilight princess? There's like this Gerudo hanging around in those games where there isn't even a Gerudo tribe in those two games. To me it doesn't really make much sense.

GunSmith1_basic

The games almost seem in no way connected. Miyamoto once said that the time line goes OoT, LoZ, and then ALttP. Which in my opinion, with no disgrace to Shigeru, but how does a race of creatures dissapear then comeback severly changed. What I mean is the Gorons.

In OoT the Gorons are relaxed and peacefull beings, that at times don't know there own streangth or don't watch where they are going. However there is no trace of these beings in the first Zelda game. And then in ALttP they appear to be mindless drones that only seem to exsist only to impeade the travel of those who journy up Death Moutten. So why and how to these guys dissappear? Unless in a new Zelda game it states that the Gorons where cursed by Ganon to go through de-evolution or cursed so that they are brainless minions of his I can only come to the conclusion that there is no real contecton.

I thaught Ganondorf, being one of the three in the triforce, was basically just a stereotypical representation of the good becoming corrupted with power, but in the end, good always wins. I think your over thinking it.llama1107

No there is a central storyline. Ganondorf has his specific origins. I believe ganondorf is simply a regular man who became corrupted by power and subseqeuntly wanted more, finally getting his hands on the triforce of power and then trying to rule the known world for all time. But of course he is always foiled by a lone hero and a wise princess, a hero who is usually a different person each time, as is the princess.

TP is set after ocarina of time in on of the timelines, where link didn't go off to termina. But the link in TP is a whole new person, the skeleton warrior that teaches tp link his moves is in fact the ocarina of time link, or at least one of his ancestors.

When Ganondorf takes the form of Ganon, he is simply turning into the ideal most powerful form the triforce of power can bestow to an evil heart, which happens to be a pig-like creature. Moblins are simply minions of this beast, they are created by ganon to serve him.

[QUOTE="fredrancour"]

Well, one of the few canon aspects of the zelda timeline is that OoT is basically the first game chronologically (i've heard Minsish cap might be before it, but I don't really know). I was under the impression Ganon was originally the human ganondorf and became super-powerful and practically immortal through the triforce of power he gets in OoT.

GunSmith1_basic

Makes me wonder though, what of the race of pigs? There seems to be pigs that are mainly ganon's minions. Are they also transformed in some way? I'm thinking of Zelda 1 and Link to the past here (and maybewindwaker and TP). There seems to be pigs leading up to the big, mean pig, Ganon. Kind of like Bowser is king of the koopas, like the head of that proud race. That's the way I've always seen it. So, what's the deal with the pigs?

You mean Moblins? As they are only found in the early Zelda games and in the early GB game and if you go by Shigeru maybe the moblins are normal creatures that are transformed by ganon, similar to the Skull kids in the lost woods. Or maybe Ganon can is somewhat godly and can create creatures in his image.