Nintendo Hates Art?

Most video games simply are not art, and this guy's rant proves that he's not really interested in art.

First, I think that video games have the potential to be art and they contain elements of it, but its more than visuals. Art is about content. If I splatter paint all over a canvas, and call it art, the discussion is not wether I'm talented or not, but WHY I did it.

Most video games convey no message at all. Does Okami make any kind of statements? Will it enrich anyone's life a decade from now? Probably not. Its just a game, like shoots and ladders. Shure itse PRETTY, but so are "Paint by Numbers" paintings. To say that you need horsepower to be artistic is to spit in the face of art. Was John Lennon not an artist? Picasso? There is such a thing as minimalism... You don't NEED much to create art. They are making entertainment.

Even Hideo Kojima doesn't consider games art, and he's a person often cited as an artist! So who can balme nintendo if they consider them... games. There is no shame in it, games can be pretty fun:)

If developers want to be considered artists they should stop focusing on graphics and AI and more on being... artistic and creative. Do something new.

This guys view of art is warped. Maybe, I'm biased cuz I'm involved in the music industry, but I haven't seen many games that actually moved me or enriched my life.

Band of Brothers gets close. Its a well told story that has something to SAY about war. ICO and Shadow of the Colossus could be close too. Most games are just games. No more art than Monopoly or Shoots and Ladders.

That is the fault of developers, not Nintendo.

I know I'll get flamed by people who think I'm slamming games, but I'm not. They CAN be art. I just don't think they NEED to be, and I don't think they usually TRY to be.\ End raNT

Video games, like movies and music, are primarily pieces of entertainment. Nintendo realizes this, and has built a console that is very, very entertaining.
Do video games really need to be considered an art form? Honestly, who cares about a title?
linkdragon642

Well. Did you know Punk Rock was primarily started from people who were pissed off at bands using music as an "art form" rather then to just have fun? Nintendo is doing something that has happened in alot of different things in the entertainment industry and it can create some awesome things. (Like The Ramones and Sex Pistols in music)
Hippostrike

Video games, like movies and music, are primarily pieces of entertainment. Nintendo realizes this, and has built a console that is very, very entertaining.
Do video games really need to be considered an art form? Honestly, who cares about a title?
linkdragon642

But you can't say that Nintendo makes games that are on the same level as Babel or Crash or Children of Men.

Zelda TP is a great adventure game, Shadow Of The Colossus is that and art. Thats the only example I can think of.tomarlyn

I agree whole heartedly. They didn't need 360 horsepower either...

[QUOTE="linkdragon642"]Video games, like movies and music, are primarily pieces of entertainment. Nintendo realizes this, and has built a console that is very, very entertaining.
Do video games really need to be considered an art form? Honestly, who cares about a title?
Shirley_Temple

But you can't say that Nintendo makes games that are on the same level as Babel or Crash or Children of Men.

Video games are not art. I agree about this.

But when you conceived pictures and put some colors on these pictures, it's art. It's drawing and painting.

Here's the art forms: (and I'm not an artist.)

painting
drawing
printmaking
sculpture
music
poetry
architecture
cinema
theatre
photography
cartooning / animation (I never of that)

Where are the video games?

Video games are not art. I agree about this.

But when you conceived pictures and put some colors on these pictures, it's art. It's drawing and painting.

Here's the art forms: (and I'm not an artist.)

painting
drawing
printmaking
sculpture
music
poetry
architecture
cinema
theatre
photography
cartooning / animation (I never of that)

Where are the video games?

chris3116

1. This guy is a attention whore
2. I still have fun with my wii
3. I wouldn't listen to him
4. Nintedo makes great fun games which is more important IMO
5. A lot of their games are also artistic without super graphics
6. And congragulations Chris Heckler you have won the STFU award of the year

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]Zelda TP is a great adventure game, Shadow Of The Colossus is that and art. Thats the only example I can think of.Staccat0

I agree whole heartedly. They didn't need 360 horsepower either...

[QUOTE="linkdragon642"]Video games, like movies and music, are primarily pieces of entertainment. Nintendo realizes this, and has built a console that is very, very entertaining.
Do video games really need to be considered an art form? Honestly, who cares about a title?
Shirley_Temple

But you can't say that Nintendo makes games that are on the same level as Babel or Crash or Children of Men.

Exactly, Nintendo makes nice little titles, that while not as spectacular or moving as other games, do well. 

It also seems that the General Public doesn't really care how artsy video games are.  Look at Shadow of the Colossus, and Okami, both games were beautiful to look at and were praised by critics, but were mostly ignored by fans.  Shadow did reasonable, but didn't pull the numbers it should have.  Ico was another very beautiful game that was overlooked.   Look at the developer Clover.  They went for artsy innovative game play, and now they are shut down.

People like Gears of Wars not because of the art, but because of the realistic graphics.  In my opinion, realistic graphics doesn't equal art.  Art allows the viewer interpret what the artist intended in the scene.  The rant is far off base. 

Most video games simply are not art, and this guy's rant proves that he's not really interested in art.

First, I think that video games have the potential to be art and they contain elements of it, but its more than visuals. Art is about content. If I splatter paint all over a canvas, and call it art, the discussion is not wether I'm talented or not, but WHY I did it.

Most video games convey no message at all. Does Okami make any kind of statements? Will it enrich anyone's life a decade from now? Probably not. Its just a game, like shoots and ladders. Shure itse PRETTY, but so are "Paint by Numbers" paintings. To say that you need horsepower to be artistic is to spit in the face of art. Was John Lennon not an artist? Picasso? There is such a thing as minimalism... You don't NEED much to create art. They are making entertainment.

Even Hideo Kojima doesn't consider games art, and he's a person often cited as an artist! So who can balme nintendo if they consider them... games. There is no shame in it, games can be pretty fun:)

If developers want to be considered artists they should stop focusing on graphics and AI and more on being... artistic and creative. Do something new.

This guys view of art is warped. Maybe, I'm biased cuz I'm involved in the music industry, but I haven't seen many games that actually moved me or enriched my life.

Band of Brothers gets close. Its a well told story that has something to SAY about war. ICO and Shadow of the Colossus could be close too. Most games are just games. No more art than Monopoly or Shoots and Ladders.

That is the fault of developers, not Nintendo.

I know I'll get flamed by people who think I'm slamming games, but I'm not. They CAN be art. I just don't think they NEED to be, and I don't think they usually TRY to be.\ End raNT

Staccat0

[QUOTE="linkdragon642"]Video games, like movies and music, are primarily pieces of entertainment. Nintendo realizes this, and has built a console that is very, very entertaining.
Do video games really need to be considered an art form? Honestly, who cares about a title?
Shirley_Temple

But you can't say that Nintendo makes games that are on the same level as Babel or Crash or Children of Men.

[QUOTE="Staccat0"]

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]Zelda TP is a great adventure game, Shadow Of The Colossus is that and art. Thats the only example I can think of.Shirley_Temple

I agree whole heartedly. They didn't need 360 horsepower either...

[QUOTE="linkdragon642"]Video games, like movies and music, are primarily pieces of entertainment. Nintendo realizes this, and has built a console that is very, very entertaining.
Do video games really need to be considered an art form? Honestly, who cares about a title?
Shirley_Temple

But you can't say that Nintendo makes games that are on the same level as Babel or Crash or Children of Men.

Exactly, Nintendo makes nice little titles, that while not as spectacular or moving as other games, do well.

[QUOTE="Shirley_Temple"]

[QUOTE="linkdragon642"]Video games, like movies and music, are primarily pieces of entertainment. Nintendo realizes this, and has built a console that is very, very entertaining.
Do video games really need to be considered an art form? Honestly, who cares about a title?
umbriell

But you can't say that Nintendo makes games that are on the same level as Babel or Crash or Children of Men.

Hates art? I'm going to be the most fanboyish I've ever been and just dismiss this theory, the only reason I play nintendo games is because they're ART!!

Look at paper mario and tell me that's not art

Look at...windwaker and tell me nintendo hates art, heck fans were angry at WW, yet they still went w/ the graphics

If anyone hates art, it's those stupid 360 devs that make games as real as possible

IMO

1. This guy is a attention whore
2. I still have fun with my wii
3. I wouldn't listen to him
4. Nintedo makes great fun games which is more important IMO
5. A lot of their games are also artistic without super graphics
6. And congragulations Chris Heckler you have won the STFU award of the year

leegar88