There is something that needs to be in gaming. It hasn't yet, and it's overdue

You know in videogames where, there has been certain characters who you've been attached to, and when they die you get a little emotional? The most notable incident of this happening is that Aeris or however you spelt her name from Final Fantasy 7, I mean her death is absolutely classic.

Well, we need a videogame developer that can produce largescale deaths in gaming, and you'll also get sad and emotional when it happens. So far nobody has succesfully linked a sad event that also has big a emotional side of it. Like for instance, 9/11. If somebody can make a game where, at some point in the game where you'll get sad and emotional when significantly large amount of people die...Then THAT would be epic. People get emotional over the deaths of certain events of WW2, but RARELY in videogames. Again, people have gotten emotional on certain single deaths in videogames, but never when a magnitutde of people have died. We need a game where we end up getting REALLY attached to a city or something, and then have that city get destroyed. Rather then get really attached toa character, and have that single character die.

Like I'm not some pessimistic, nihilistic freak or anything. I'm just saying that, if we got attached to a significantly large potion of people who ended up tragicially dying...Well, that would be a truly memorable part in gaming. Really, I truly think that would be a classic event in a game if done right...To get that emotional impact when somebody like Aeris died...Only have that emotional impact when a larger scale of people have died..Since I think it'd actually be more of an impact, really.

It sounds like to me like you're arguing against a basic human emotional oddity. I don't exactly understand what you're saying. Stalin says it best, "The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic." I don't think game developers can change what their audiences tastes are. They more or less try to pander to their audience.Genetic_Code

Stalin had severe mental issues. And speaking of Stalin, surely you know the millions he's killed, right?

You have to have zero empathy if you don't feel fore alot of people who perish at once. The tsunami in Indonesia or whrever it was a few years ago, the holocaust, 9/11...We didn't even know these people yet so many people feel for their deaths..Just imagine if you KNEW or get attached to those people in somway or another..This CAN be done in gaming, im' telling you it can.

Stalin says it best, "The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic." Genetic_Code

That's the first quote I thought of after reading you're post. Not sure how something like that would be pulled off in a game full stop tbh, though it would be quite an achievement i suppose. Don't know if I/people would enjoy playing something like that though lol

Stalin had severe mental issues. And speaking of Stalin, surely you know the millions he's killed, right?

You have to have zero empathy if you don't feel fore alot of people who perish at once. The tsunami in Indonesia or whrever it was a few years ago, the holocaust, 9/11...We didn't even know these people yet so many people feel for their deaths..Just imagine if you KNEW or get attached to those people in somway or another..This CAN be done in gaming, im' telling you it can.

zabrak999

I'm not debating over Stalin. I just found the quote fitting.

So basically you're saying that, in the game, your avatar has a friend that dies in some horrible event, such as a terrorist attack or a natural disaster. I can see that. But they have to make really realistic and not just some plot device... I think. I mean, we have to care for the character. In television shows at least, there are many times when I don't feel much for the character and I'm guilty of seeing their death as nothing contributing to the overall story. However, I had no one close to me die to 9/11 or the 2004 tsunami but I felt terrified then. It'd take a great deal of reality because I knew the people who were dieing were people like me. In video games, those people aren't real so it's going to make it seem really hard.

However, you have a good point. I support it!

Phantasy Star Online began with Dark Falz destroying Pioneer 1 which killed the millions that were in it and on the planet's surface.
Phantasy Star Universe had almost somewhat similar scale events. [spoiler] AotI had the Guardian's who died on the Hive who were on "vacations", the Seed outbreak on Moatoob, and the Illuminus crashing the Guardian's colony into Parum, which eventhough the residential block was saved it still supposedlly killed millions. [/spoiler]

While it may be sad, it's harder to do fictional tragedies with unknown faces to carry the same impact as real-life ones.

It's impossible to identify with a bunch of nameless faceless people. The most emotional deaths in games occur after you've gotten to know and feel for a character. That kind of thing doesn't really work on a large scale.LordAndrew

Like I said in my post. it CAN happen if you get attached to a large amount of people. it CAN happen.

An example I think of is take a CoD game. Now after you charged the beach head or whatever and finished the level the camera was able to pan over the scene and show all the dead people. Think, 'after the intro fight scene of saving private ryan'. I couldn't relate to any of the people personally except the ones that actually survived, but it still left an emotional mark. That is what you are looking for right? if so, yeah, that's hard to do in games seeming all the bodies disappear after a while to keep frame rates up. But maybe someone will figure it out some day.raahsnavj

You actually got REALLY emotional by those people who died on that level in COD2? If so I can't force you NOT to feel that way. I'm just saying like...okay when aeris died in FF7 (there are ALOT more examples of a single person dying but that's the most notable example) people actually really felt something, since they were so attached to that person. I want a game where you can have that SAME AMOUNT OF SADNESS when ALOT of people perish in a game.

"While it may be sad, it's harder to do fictional tragedies with unknown faces to carry the same impact as real-life ones".

Right. But what if you DID get attached to a signifcant amount of people in a game? Like...You know kakarikoo village (or however you spell the name) in OOT? What if they made it so ALL those people were slaughtered? I'm sure somebody would feel something since they got attached to those people? Or maybe that's not good enough of an example, either way, I think you know what I mean.

[QUOTE="raahsnavj"]An example I think of is take a CoD game. Now after you charged the beach head or whatever and finished the level the camera was able to pan over the scene and show all the dead people. Think, 'after the intro fight scene of saving private ryan'. I couldn't relate to any of the people personally except the ones that actually survived, but it still left an emotional mark. That is what you are looking for right? if so, yeah, that's hard to do in games seeming all the bodies disappear after a while to keep frame rates up. But maybe someone will figure it out some day.zabrak999

You actually got REALLY emotional by those people who died on that level in COD2? If so I can't force you NOT to feel that way. I'm just saying like...okay when aeris died in FF7 (there are ALOT more examples of a single person dying but that's the most notable example) people actually really felt something, since they were so attached to that person. I want a game where you can have that SAME AMOUNT OF SADNESS when ALOT of people perish in a game.

You know in videogames where, there has been certain characters who you've been attached to, and when they die you get a little emotional? The most notable incident of this happening is that Aeris or however you spelt her name from Final Fantasy 7, I mean her death is absolutely classic.

Well, we need a videogame developer that can produce largescale deaths in gaming, and you'll also get sad and emotional when it happens. So far nobody has succesfully linked a sad event that also has big a emotional side of it. Like for instance, 9/11. If somebody can make a game where, at some point in the game where you'll get sad and emotional when significantly large amount of people die...Then THAT would be epic. People get emotional over the deaths of certain events of WW2, but RARELY in videogames. Again, people have gotten emotional on certain single deaths in videogames, but never when a magnitutde of people have died. We need a game where we end up getting REALLY attached to a city or something, and then have that city get destroyed. Rather then get really attached toa character, and have that single character die.

Like I'm not some pessimistic, nihilistic freak or anything. I'm just saying that, if we got attached to a significantly large potion of people who ended up tragicially dying...Well, that would be a truly memorable part in gaming. Really, I truly think that would be a classic event in a game if done right...To get that emotional impact when somebody like Aeris died...Only have that emotional impact when a larger scale of people have died..Since I think it'd actually be more of an impact, really.

zabrak999

You really, REALLY need to spoiler tag that last sentence in the first paragraph. Not everyone who would like to play FFVII has played...although I guess you'd have to live under a rock to not have heard about that particular death. '~'

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[QUOTE="raahsnavj"]An example I think of is take a CoD game. Now after you charged the beach head or whatever and finished the level the camera was able to pan over the scene and show all the dead people. Think, 'after the intro fight scene of saving private ryan'. I couldn't relate to any of the people personally except the ones that actually survived, but it still left an emotional mark. That is what you are looking for right? if so, yeah, that's hard to do in games seeming all the bodies disappear after a while to keep frame rates up. But maybe someone will figure it out some day.raahsnavj

You actually got REALLY emotional by those people who died on that level in COD2? If so I can't force you NOT to feel that way. I'm just saying like...okay when aeris died in FF7 (there are ALOT more examples of a single person dying but that's the most notable example) people actually really felt something, since they were so attached to that person. I want a game where you can have that SAME AMOUNT OF SADNESS when ALOT of people perish in a game.

Okay. Alot of single character deaths though happen during a cutscene. Surely they chould present it that way.

i share george carlin's point of view about the subject...

the Brothers in Arms series REALLY gets you closely tied to your squadmates, and when they die, it stings, trust me

and the newest one coming in september is really gonna be emotional (since its based on a lost battle, and tons of pple die)