restrict violent games to minors? HELL NO

before i start typing my wall text......i feel sorry for you americans and germans out there

 10 minutes ago i opened one of my favorite cyber news site

as im going through the topics i see something about the recent school shooting

to my great supprise they once again blame it on violent games and imply to restrict this to adults only.

first it was comics, then tv, and now they blame it on games?

note to politicians: stop blaming all kinds of stuff on amusement and passtime just to make it seem you actually do something

we all know the hilary clinton and jack tompson bullcrap by now so let me post some logic here.

every now and then a serial killer or another loonatic like that snaps and starts his spree....this 0,000000000000001% (might be off a few millionts of a %) of the population hardly has a resistance to these impulses, these are in most cases the ones to blame these crimes on.

 once they get a means to kill people, and yes here it comes:  get a gun from the local arms-store and they go guns blazing somewhere

and the small portion of these people snap over games so now we need to restrict games to adults.....

isnt it way and i mean like 1000000000000x more effective to restrict weapons to the public?

here: in holland, we have about 100 shootings a year with maybe 20 people killed

in america they have somewhere near 16000!!!!!! people killed every year (and rising) by guns.....apart from other factors like american socity (canada has like 40 shootings a year with legal gun possesion)

also...american law has it that a weapon licence has no age limit (i read somewhere a 10 month old baby apparenly has one)

so they think restricting violent games to minors will have any effect whatsoever?

those mentally impaired people will just snap on some other point and do it anyway.....limit the means of killing people and maybe then those number will go down

just restrict guns already and leave games, tv, comics alone will you...this is getting ridiculus

i know, the connection with real shootings and video game shooters is bullhonkey.

i think they should take either extreme, completely ban(make it illegal) for minors to play m or ao video games(wouldn't make a difference practically, but some parents would take it in their own hands) , or just completely unrestrict m games so 4 year olds could buy them, and woohoo, IT WOULDN'T BE SUCH A BIG DEAL ANYMORE. kids are bragging now when theiyre 7 and they play m games. imagine if they were able to with no limits. it wouldnt be a big deal and the kid would shut up.

or another option make the age limits more appropriate. because kids, are mature enough to see violence and some sex around maybe 15 or 14. just make 2 ratings, e and m. e=fo under 14 m = for over 14.

i'm freaking sick of 5 year olds like " i play gears of war illl beat your ******* a** *****."

my point here is: stop restrictin games at all,

lock up the mentally ill and just maintian guidelines just like on tv

and last: release one o those crazy ppl give him a chaingun and send him into the panel i was talking about....should do the trick since its the current gig for all those "zomfg ban violence games" hype lifting politicians

a politician in my country once made a statement about bully...without ever havin played the game,  gues who just lost all the votes he ever had in the gaming community, the moron.......

I disagree. The rating system is necessary ands if we want more adult themes in our games, we need it. And sorry, but some of these adult games shouldn't be sold to minors. It's like giving your 8 year old a porn mag for light reading. There is such a thing as inappropriate content for a certain age group.

No offense, but until you are a consenting adult, you don't have the right to do or watch or play whatever you want. I'm not gonna deny playing Mortal Kombat in arcades at 12 and loving it, and it didn't seem to affect me negatively, but early teens can be a very confusing time for some. The rating system is a tool for parents to judge what is appropriate for their child, because until they are adults, they are responsible for their childs actions. So I support that.

The rating system is a tool for parents to judge what is appropriate for their child, because until they are adults, they are responsible for their childs actions. So I support that.

TheCrazed420

 Now all we need are some capable parents.

I don't see why the big deal is. They just want games to have the same kind of restrictions that movies currently hold. 

its still censorship trying to deniy us the truthPoshkidney

Deny the truth? The truth to what? It's not censorship because it's still available to people of age. Is a rated R movie censored because it's rated R?

Maybe if the public idols wouldn't be portrayed usually as shooting around things would be different... or if you couldn't buy a gun with your groceries... or if the psychological support would be some better...

But yeah, as "new entertainment" gaming of course has to take some flak. We'll just have to endure it.

well i agree some games should get an enforced limit (manhunt, and that type of game)

gta should be 14+,   its not that bad........hot coffee wasnt intended so should not count as such.......dont agree with the 18+ (i was 12 back when gta 3/ vice came and i got it myself anyway, it didnt harm me at all.......im part of that 99,99999999999% that doesnt shoot people cuz they've seen it in a game

but shooters like halo and unreal are just for fun.....they should be like 6-8+ 

I think violent games should be restricted to minors.Is better for them.dayaccus007

and you must be jack thompson....or hilary clinton,   or just an overprotective housewife

[QUOTE="dayaccus007"]I think violent games should be restricted to minors.Is better for them.gameman_4

and you must be jack thompson....or hilary clinton,   or just an overprotective housewife

i think we should cover our kids in bubblewrap and blindfold them and they should be fine apart from knowing how to deal with life since life is filled with horror so telling the a shielding them from the gritty reiallity will give them a false prospective of the real world.Poshkidney

true, but you wouldn't give a 6 year old a porno mag and be like, this is how the world is. their should be some limits, but overall it's more the parents'  faults for spoiling the kids.

[QUOTE="Poshkidney"]i think we should cover our kids in bubblewrap and blindfold them and they should be fine apart from knowing how to deal with life since life is filled with horror so telling the a shielding them from the gritty reiallity will give them a false prospective of the real world.mistervengeance

true, but you wouldn't give a 6 year old a porno mag and be like, this is how the world is. their should be some limits, but overall it's more the parents'  faults for spoiling the kids.

yess ! finaly someone who thinks that it is parents repsonblity not the develpers

Children shouldn't be playing adult games. Games rated M are rated that for a reason, not just because they like stamping little a little M on boxes. Parents that purchase their children these games are irresponsible and unlikely to admit they made a mistake purchasing the game when it's much easier to blame the game itself.

Restrict selling violent games to minors? Yes please. Worst thing out there when I was younger was DOOM and later Duke Nukem. Neither of those come even close to holding a candle to many of the violent games out now. I don't want kids playing these games, hell, I get unnerved playing some modern games.

Its a good thing and fine with me. And relax kids, blood doesn't make a game cool, there are plenty of fun non M rated games out there.

I'm 13 years old, and I play loads of games intended for much older gamers. One of my best games is Resident Evil 4, and I also enjoy Eternal Darkness very much. I also have many friends who have GTA games, and other such "unacceptable" games. I'm also eagerly awaiting Manhunt 2 for the Wii.

Don't trust the Thompson propaganda, violent video games DO NOT mess you up.

Games are merely a scapegoat, it's American culture that's messed up.

i dont know why your so worried, gameman_4, because no matter how many restrictions the goverments put on games/ movies/ and music, people WILL find ways to get their hands on adult oriented games. there's no stopping it. you obvously dont know about the prohibition era in america during the 1920's. even tho alcohol was forbidden, alcohol kept on finding its way into the US. its never stopped us, so why should it stop you. i assume since you are making this topic, you aren't of age to play games with graphic content. if you are not, then you should stick to appropriate games according to your age group; you'll get to play the violent, grotesque, and profusely distusting games soon enough; just be patient. now, if you are of age, then why are you so worried about it?? i mean, do you want kids to possibly lose their childhood/ innocence by playing games that could potentially shock, scare, and even desensitize kids?? that's wrong, and irresponsible for an ADULT to allow. i am not saying that those games can have that affect on all of the youth, but you cannot swear on your own life that it cannot and has not happened already. game ratings are emplaced for a reason - so that the people who cannot make the difference between game and reality do not get a hold of games that could potentially affect them in a negative way. it's not like the rating system is working with jack thompson or something. why don't you do some research into the game rating controversy of the 16-BIT era; i'm sure you'll learn something from it...kanedajjj5757

ever heard of a little thing called the enter button?

games = amusement

those whole shock, scare, etc.  crap is cause they shield kids to much.....hell im 16 and my parents never worried about me doing crazy stuff....

just aint the type for it,

set the limit to 10 years old for the current 15+ and kids will be fine....its will augment development with vocabulary and for some countries ofc the entire english language

ive learned most of my english from playing games and the stuff i didnt from tv....school didnt come in till i was 12 with english and only refined grammar....

if you restrict that kind of stuff to kids they will miss the development stage in their languages and it will be a lot harder in high school

and since everything not limited to the age of 10 are mostly the licenced movie crap translated to their native language they will never learn..

[QUOTE="mistervengeance"]

[QUOTE="Poshkidney"]i think we should cover our kids in bubblewrap and blindfold them and they should be fine apart from knowing how to deal with life since life is filled with horror so telling the a shielding them from the gritty reiallity will give them a false prospective of the real world.Poshkidney

true, but you wouldn't give a 6 year old a porno mag and be like, this is how the world is. their should be some limits, but overall it's more the parents'  faults for spoiling the kids.

yess ! finaly someone who thinks that it is parents repsonblity not the develpers

I disagree. The rating system is necessary ands if we want more adult themes in our games, we need it. And sorry, but some of these adult games shouldn't be sold to minors. It's like giving your 8 year old a porn mag for light reading. There is such a thing as inappropriate content for a certain age group.

No offense, but until you are a consenting adult, you don't have the right to do or watch or play whatever you want. I'm not gonna deny playing Mortal Kombat in arcades at 12 and loving it, and it didn't seem to affect me negatively, but early teens can be a very confusing time for some. The rating system is a tool for parents to judge what is appropriate for their child, because until they are adults, they are responsible for their childs actions. So I support that.

TheCrazed420

This is the truth right here. Ratings are necessary for the industry and there's nothing bad about making it easy for uninformed parents to make decisions on what is and is not apporpriate entertainment. Lots of kids play video games, and they have to accept the fact that many high profile games are created with an adult audience in mind. 

It's not even an issue if parents decide a title like God of War is fine for their kid, but an M rated game should mean parental approval at the store counter, no matter how good reviews are or however they might feel about restrictions.

[QUOTE="TheCrazed420"]

I disagree. The rating system is necessary ands if we want more adult themes in our games, we need it. And sorry, but some of these adult games shouldn't be sold to minors. It's like giving your 8 year old a porn mag for light reading. There is such a thing as inappropriate content for a certain age group.

No offense, but until you are a consenting adult, you don't have the right to do or watch or play whatever you want. I'm not gonna deny playing Mortal Kombat in arcades at 12 and loving it, and it didn't seem to affect me negatively, but early teens can be a very confusing time for some. The rating system is a tool for parents to judge what is appropriate for their child, because until they are adults, they are responsible for their childs actions. So I support that.

viberooni

This is the truth right here. Ratings are necessary for the industry and there's nothing bad about making it easy for uninformed parents to make decisions on what is and is not apporpriate entertainment. Lots of kids play video games, and they have to accept the fact that many high profile games are created with an adult audience in mind.

It's not even an issue if parents decide a title like God of War is fine for their kid, but an M rated game should mean parental approval at the store counter, no matter how good reviews are or however they might feel about restrictions.

Complete agreement- the ratings system protects the industry. If it's properly followed, then ANY kind of game can be made and the industry will have a foot to stand on when something goes wrong. If the industry dropped the ratings system, it would be easy pickings for self-serving politicians.

Since it doesn't make it illegal for minors to play M-rated games, I consider it perfectly fair. All it takes is mom or dad to go with junior to the store to buy it. In fact, the reason we restrict pornography is because we're afraid of the effects on society...but sex is far less worse than violence, so by comparison, these are moderate.

It's funny to see 13 and 14 year olds telling us how games don't make you violent and mess you up, while gamers older than 18 (usually by 22 or so) generally see the need for the ratings. When you finish growing up, you realize what was important and what was not- maybe missing a few M-rated games when you were younger due to the ratings system is far better than government restrictions, which will ruin your future gaming. 

[QUOTE="viberooni"][QUOTE="TheCrazed420"]

I disagree. The rating system is necessary ands if we want more adult themes in our games, we need it. And sorry, but some of these adult games shouldn't be sold to minors. It's like giving your 8 year old a porn mag for light reading. There is such a thing as inappropriate content for a certain age group.

No offense, but until you are a consenting adult, you don't have the right to do or watch or play whatever you want. I'm not gonna deny playing Mortal Kombat in arcades at 12 and loving it, and it didn't seem to affect me negatively, but early teens can be a very confusing time for some. The rating system is a tool for parents to judge what is appropriate for their child, because until they are adults, they are responsible for their childs actions. So I support that.

Vampyronight

This is the truth right here. Ratings are necessary for the industry and there's nothing bad about making it easy for uninformed parents to make decisions on what is and is not apporpriate entertainment. Lots of kids play video games, and they have to accept the fact that many high profile games are created with an adult audience in mind.

It's not even an issue if parents decide a title like God of War is fine for their kid, but an M rated game should mean parental approval at the store counter, no matter how good reviews are or however they might feel about restrictions.

Complete agreement- the ratings system protects the industry. If it's properly followed, then ANY kind of game can be made and the industry will have a foot to stand on when something goes wrong. If the industry dropped the ratings system, it would be easy pickings for self-serving politicians.

Since it doesn't make it illegal for minors to play M-rated games, I consider it perfectly fair. All it takes is mom or dad to go with junior to the store to buy it. In fact, the reason we restrict pornography is because we're afraid of the effects on society...but sex is far less worse than violence, so by comparison, these are moderate.

It's funny to see 13 and 14 year olds telling us how games don't make you violent and mess you up, while gamers older than 18 (usually by 22 or so) generally see the need for the ratings. When you finish growing up, you realize what was important and what was not- maybe missing a few M-rated games when you were younger due to the ratings system is far better than government restrictions, which will ruin your future gaming. 

[QUOTE="kanedajjj5757"]i dont know why your so worried, gameman_4, because no matter how many restrictions the goverments put on games/ movies/ and music, people WILL find ways to get their hands on adult oriented games. there's no stopping it. you obvously dont know about the prohibition era in america during the 1920's. even tho alcohol was forbidden, alcohol kept on finding its way into the US. its never stopped us, so why should it stop you. i assume since you are making this topic, you aren't of age to play games with graphic content. if you are not, then you should stick to appropriate games according to your age group; you'll get to play the violent, grotesque, and profusely distusting games soon enough; just be patient. now, if you are of age, then why are you so worried about it?? i mean, do you want kids to possibly lose their childhood/ innocence by playing games that could potentially shock, scare, and even desensitize kids?? that's wrong, and irresponsible for an ADULT to allow. i am not saying that those games can have that affect on all of the youth, but you cannot swear on your own life that it cannot and has not happened already. game ratings are emplaced for a reason - so that the people who cannot make the difference between game and reality do not get a hold of games that could potentially affect them in a negative way. it's not like the rating system is working with jack thompson or something. why don't you do some research into the game rating controversy of the 16-BIT era; i'm sure you'll learn something from it...gameman_4

ever heard of a little thing called the enter button?

games = amusement

those whole shock, scare, etc.  crap is cause they shield kids to much.....hell im 16 and my parents never worried about me doing crazy stuff....

just aint the type for it,

set the limit to 10 years old for the current 15+ and kids will be fine....its will augment development with vocabulary and for some countries ofc the entire english language

ive learned most of my english from playing games and the stuff i didnt from tv....school didnt come in till i was 12 with english and only refined grammar....

if you restrict that kind of stuff to kids they will miss the development stage in their languages and it will be a lot harder in high school

and since everything not limited to the age of 10 are mostly the licenced movie crap translated to their native language they will never learn..

kids need to be sheilded when they're little.  Just because your parents didn't give a damn what you watched or did doesn't mean that's how it should be.  and just because you didn't turn into a pyscho while they weren't paying attention doesn't make it okay.  a 10 or even a 13 year old kid has no business playing resident evil 4 or GTA.  You can piss and moan all you want about "sheilding" kids, but little kids would be alot better off outside playing or doing something away from the TV rather than playing M rated games all day.  They will be plenty of time for those games when they're old enough to appreciate what is going on onscreen.

And as for developing reading skills or missing out on some "stage" of childhood learning, how about.... oh i dont know.........

 READING A FREAKING BOOK.  I mean, come on.  There is no comparison to which is better developmentally for kids, so if this is "all for the kids", then instead of games, start pointing them in the direction of books.  "How will the childern learn to read without video games????" haha, that's completely asinine, especially considering how poorly most kids read today.

the reason that the is a ratings system with restrictions is because alot of today's parents just dont pay attention.  They dont pay any attention to what they're kids are doing.  Like you said, they dont worry about they're kids doing "crazy" stuff.  And most kids are like you and turn out just fine.  But the ones that dont are the ones we see on the news killing people.  In a perfect world, we wouldn't have to worry about it because parents would be responsible adults, but this is not a perfect world.

EDIT: btw, i'm not saying there is anything wrong with most 13 year olds playing these games as long as they have parents that are responsible enough to know what is good for them and what isn't, but it is not some huge injustice if they have to wait a few years to play them either. there are plenty of better things for kids to be doing and most of them spend enough time in front of computers and TVs.

Meh.....there should be some rating control, but imho

GTA- 14-15+(heavy sexual content, violence, racism, etc.)

GeoW-10+ Only violent content and mild language

Basically, just chalk down the current rating system by 4-5 years for each.

Oh, and no such thing as Ao games, Manhunt should be in the same category as GTA.

1 Parents need to start taking responsibility to what game their kids play and not buy M rated games for them

2 kids should wait their old enough t play M rated games just stick to E rated games and Teen rated games

3 we have the esrb for a reason

4 yes kids will still play M rated games when they shouldn't be

5 Hilary Clinton and the government need to lay off video-games and worry about real world like catching criminals

,drug dealers,kidnapper