Platinum admits sales are a problem

Making Bayonetta 2 a Wii U exclusive was just brilliant.  Even a ridiculously optimistic sales estimate might put it at half a million, after the first game sold two million on the 360 and PS3.Jackc8

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[QUOTE="Lulekani"]I wonder what would happen if Platinum ditched storytelling the way Valve did ? Left 4 Dead and Portal 2 dominated with just gameplay and context.Lulekani

Left 4 Dead is multiplayer and Portal 2 not only HAD storytelling, but it was incredibly well-written and executed.

Platinum couldn't do Valve if their lives depended on it.

How can it have a narrative without storytelling? Storytelling is the conveying of events by use of plot and characters that form a story or narrative. There is no narrative without storytelling.

[QUOTE="Lulekani"]I wonder what would happen if Platinum ditched storytelling the way Valve did ? Left 4 Dead and Portal 2 dominated with just gameplay and context.UpInFlames

Left 4 Dead is multiplayer and Portal 2 not only HAD storytelling, but it was incredibly well-written and executed.

Platinum couldn't do Valve if their lives depended on it.

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I flat-out hated the combat system in Metal Gear Rising, clunky and unintuitive as hell.

Grammaton-Cleric

That game is easily one of the best hack-n-slash action games ever made and even after having invested dozens of hours into the game I am still discovering new techniques and strategies.

And when played at higher levels, clunky is the last adjective I'd employ to describe it.

It's easily the closest thing we have to a legitimate Ninja Gaiden successor.

I've heard a lot of conflicting things about MGR's combat system. I think its more than a little strange Konami never saw fit to just offer up the demo to anyone via XBL and PSN, but insteady requires people to buy a full game.

[QUOTE="Lulekani"]I wonder what would happen if Platinum ditched storytelling the way Valve did ? Left 4 Dead and Portal 2 dominated with just gameplay and context.UpInFlames

Left 4 Dead is multiplayer and Portal 2 not only HAD storytelling, but it was incredibly well-written and executed.

Platinum couldn't do Valve if their lives depended on it.

Yeah, I think with Quantum Conumdrum that Kim Swift found out the hard way that despite her excellent design skills, storytelling was a big factor in the success of the Portal games (which birthed a billion memes).

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Left 4 Dead is multiplayer and Portal 2 not only HAD storytelling, but it was incredibly well-written and executed.

Platinum couldn't do Valve if their lives depended on it.

UpInFlames

How can it have a narrative without storytelling? Storytelling is the conveying of events by use of plot and characters that form a story or narrative. There is no narrative without storytelling.

Vanquish would be a better game with less cursing. The gameplay is good, but there is so much cursing I stopped playing it.

I've heard a lot of conflicting things about MGR's combat system. I think its more than a little strange Konami never saw fit to just offer up the demo to anyone via XBL and PSN, but insteady requires people to buy a full game.

CarnageHeart

Actually, there is a demo on Xbox Live. Don't know about PSN.

come on Smarty pants. Even though storytelling and narrative are intechangible they are not the same thing. And theres totaly narrative without storytelling. Storytelling sucks donkey balls.Lulekani

I am not saying they are the same thing, I am saying that there is no one without the other. Explain how can you TELL a STORY without the use of STORYTELLING, I'd love to hear it.

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I've heard a lot of conflicting things about MGR's combat system. I think its more than a little strange Konami never saw fit to just offer up the demo to anyone via XBL and PSN, but insteady requires people to buy a full game.

UpInFlames

Actually, there is a demo on Xbox Live. Don't know about PSN.

There's one on PSN too.

[QUOTE="Lulekani"]come on Smarty pants. Even though storytelling and narrative are intechangible they are not the same thing. And theres totaly narrative without storytelling. Storytelling sucks donkey balls.UpInFlames

I am not saying they are the same thing, I am saying that there is no one without the other. Explain how can you TELL a STORY without the use of STORYTELLING, I'd love to hear it.

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[QUOTE="UpInFlames"]

I flat-out hated the combat system in Metal Gear Rising, clunky and unintuitive as hell.

CarnageHeart

That game is easily one of the best hack-n-slash action games ever made and even after having invested dozens of hours into the game I am still discovering new techniques and strategies.

And when played at higher levels, clunky is the last adjective I'd employ to describe it.

It's easily the closest thing we have to a legitimate Ninja Gaiden successor.

I've heard a lot of conflicting things about MGR's combat system. I think its more than a little strange Konami never saw fit to just offer up the demo to anyone via XBL and PSN, but insteady requires people to buy a full game.

There was a public demo. 

The combat system is fantastic. It doesn't have the free-flowing nature of other action games, and that is what likely makes people think the combat is clunky. It's a very different kind of action game. The free flowing cutting mechanic takes a bit getting used to, so does the parry system, but the game is incredibly challenging and ace-ing sections feels extremely rewarding. 

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[QUOTE="Lulekani"]come on Smarty pants. Even though storytelling and narrative are intechangible they are not the same thing. And theres totaly narrative without storytelling. Storytelling sucks donkey balls.Lulekani

I am not saying they are the same thing, I am saying that there is no one without the other. Explain how can you TELL a STORY without the use of STORYTELLING, I'd love to hear it.

Yes, that's still called storytelling. I think you're simply looking at storytelling as being exclusively verbal. A story can be told in many ways, not just verbally. Storytelling can employ images and sounds, among others, as well as words to deliver a story.

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[QUOTE="Grammaton-Cleric"]

That game is easily one of the best hack-n-slash action games ever made and even after having invested dozens of hours into the game I am still discovering new techniques and strategies.

And when played at higher levels, clunky is the last adjective I'd employ to describe it.

It's easily the closest thing we have to a legitimate Ninja Gaiden successor.

S0lidSnake

I've heard a lot of conflicting things about MGR's combat system. I think its more than a little strange Konami never saw fit to just offer up the demo to anyone via XBL and PSN, but insteady requires people to buy a full game.

There was a public demo. 

The combat system is fantastic. It doesn't have the free-flowing nature of other action games, and that is what likely makes people think the combat is clunky. It's a very different kind of action game. The free flowing cutting mechanic takes a bit getting used to, so does the parry system, but the game is incredibly challenging and ace-ing sections feels extremely rewarding. 

[QUOTE="Lulekani"][QUOTE="UpInFlames"]

I am not saying they are the same thing, I am saying that there is no one without the other. Explain how can you TELL a STORY without the use of STORYTELLING, I'd love to hear it.

UpInFlames

Yes, that's still called storytelling. I think you're simply looking at storytelling as being exclusively verbal. A story can be told in many ways, not just verbally. Storytelling can employ images and sounds, among others, as well as words to deliver a story.