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If Archades, the Draklor Laboratory and Bahamut weren't Sci-fi to you, then I really don't see how FF VII is.NWA_31

no thats an opinionMiracleMir

true but your describing the setting as notbeing sci-fi which isyouropinion. I believe flying cars are pretty sci-fi and i dont give a (censored) if you think there just another form of airships. Of course thats my opinion.8)MiracleMir

Okay here's the definition of opinion-An opinion is a person's ideas and thoughts towards something. It is an assessment, judgment or evaluation of something. An opinion is not a fact, because opinions are either not falsifiable, or the opinion has not been proven or verified. If it later becomes proven or verified, it is no longer an opinion, but a fact.

Just about the only person who can verify whether or not Archades is relatively sci-fi is it's game designer not you thus making yours, mine and everyone elses OPINIONS on this topic simply that,,,an opinion.

I gave you a list of reasons why it is sci fi. Bahamut was a massive airship, essentially. I already dealt with the Draklor Labs, but call;ing Archades sci fi is like calling Castle Firago sci fi. FFVII is sci fi. FFXII is not. That is a factfs_metal

I don't think the fact that Bahamut was an airship really matters, it still doesn't change the fact that we cannot build something like that. Same for Draklor, I don't see how the fact that it was a reference makes it less Sci-Fi.

FFVII may not be set in a medieval world, like most FFs, but it had very little Sci-Fi elements.

[QUOTE="fs_metal"]I gave you a list of reasons why it is sci fi. Bahamut was a massive airship, essentially. I already dealt with the Draklor Labs, but call;ing Archades sci fi is like calling Castle Firago sci fi. FFVII is sci fi. FFXII is not. That is a factNWA_31

I don't think the fact that Bahamut was an airship really matters, it still doesn't change the fact that we cannot build something like that. Same for Draklor, I don't see how the fact that it was a reference makes it less Sci-Fi.

FFVII may not be set in a medieval world, like most FFs, but it had very little Sci-Fi elements.

As dfor Bahamut, we have massive freakin aircraft carriers that might as well be called floating fortresses. We also have space stations and massive multi storied airplanes, so we aren;'t that far away from achieving something like Bahamut.

FFVII has tons of sci fo elements, like the ones that I listed abover. Your refusal to see them does not make them any less sci fi. Hell, one of the primary sci fi elements is the use of alien material- and a nuclear like substance to create super soldiers. WE CAN'T DO THAT! THAT IS SCI FI

WE can't build something like Draklore? Did it ever occur to you that we hafe labs every bit as technilogicvally advanced, if not more so, than that?

As dfor Bahamut, we have massive freakin aircraft carriers that might as well be called floating fortresses. We also have space stations and massive multi storied airplanes, so we aren;'t that far away from achieving something like Bahamut.

FFVII has tons of sci fo elements, like the ones that I listed abover. Your refusal to see them does not make them any less sci fi. Hell, one of the primary sci fi elements is the use of alien material- and a nuclear like substance to create super soldiers. WE CAN'T DO THAT! THAT IS SCI FIfs_metal

Well, Im sorry. I had no idea that we had labs that can build plasma cannons and machines that can make me invincible.

Bahamut wasn't an aircraft carrier nor a space station. Aircraft carriers are ships, not airships and space stations can stay in orbit on their own, because of the lack of gravity in space. Bahamut, on the hand, used advanced technology to float in mid-air, which is not the same thing.

FFVII may be set in a modern world, but they had nothing that we didn't have. Trains, helicopters, reactors...those are all things you can find in our society. As for Mako, it was the sourse of life of the planet, not some alien matter.

So now this has become a argument of wether or not ff12 is more sci fi then ff7.............. they are both fiction, they are both fantasy..... sci fi or not. End of story.

[QUOTE="fs_metal"]

WE can't build something like Draklore? Did it ever occur to you that we hafe labs every bit as technilogicvally advanced, if not more so, than that?

As dfor Bahamut, we have massive freakin aircraft carriers that might as well be called floating fortresses. We also have space stations and massive multi storied airplanes, so we aren;'t that far away from achieving something like Bahamut.

FFVII has tons of sci fo elements, like the ones that I listed abover. Your refusal to see them does not make them any less sci fi. Hell, one of the primary sci fi elements is the use of alien material- and a nuclear like substance to create super soldiers. WE CAN'T DO THAT! THAT IS SCI FINWA_31

Well, Im sorry. I had no idea that we had labs that can build plasma cannons and machines that can make me invincible.

Bahamut wasn't an aircraft carrier nor a space station. Aircraft carriers are ships, not airships and space stations can stay in orbit on their own, because of the lack of gravity in space. Bahamut, on the hand, used advanced technology to float in mid-air, which is not the same thing.

FFVII may be set in a modern world, but they had nothing that we didn't have. Trains, helicopters, reactors...those are all things you can find in our society. As for Mako, it was the sourse of life of the planet, not some alien matter.

I was giving you examples showing that we are very close to achieving a flying fortress like Bahamut. Planes use advance techology to do the same thing. Not sci fi.

THEY HAD ALIENS! AND PEOPLE THAT WERE MIXES OF AILENS AND HUMANS! They had weird creatures and experiements that were done with Jenova's cells. Jenova was an alien. Did you read what I typoed or just skim it and go "oph he is wrong"? I mentioned both. That is sci fi dude. FFVII is sci fi. FFXII is fantasy. That is a fact. Argue it all you want. It does not change that it is a fact.

So now this has become a argument of wether or not ff12 is more sci fi then ff7.............. they are both fiction, they are both fantasy..... sci fi or not. End of story.

ThreeVo

What about the stealth camo type thing the sthrawl had. thats pretty sci fi. and don't give me noneof thatabout how we have stealth jets because thats completely different, you couldn't see the ship with the naked eye. And believe it or not, there has been experimentation on humans to make them stronger. In the slave days, slave owners would breed the strongest men with woman to try to make stronger slaves. In the mid 1900's the government injected black males with syphilis without them knowing to gather research in whats called the Tuskegee Experiment. Hitler did genetic experiments trying to create his perfect civilization. Even some recreationaldrugs out there now a days where created in the hopes of making a super soldier. The world is a twisted place and what i spoke of are only instances that we know about.MiracleMir

Teh fact remains that FFXII is fantasy. FFVII is sci fi.

Why does fantasy automatically mean medevil?

Surely anything which isn't taken further than imagination is fantasy?

I think should re-classify science fiction to science fantasy maybe that wud clear all this up?

Why does fantasy automatically mean medevil?

Surely anything which isn't taken further than imagination is fantasy?

I think should re-classify science fiction to science fantasy maybe that wud clear all this up?

robmarleh

IF you were to reclassify science fiction as science fantasy, it sould not stick. Even if it did, it would defeat the purpose of having 2 different classifications anyway,. People that buy fantasy novels know what they are getting, and it ain't sci fi.

Well, I think both VII and XII are fantasy and sci-fi. :|DJ-Lafleur

[QUOTE="DJ-Lafleur"]Well, I think both VII and XII are fantasy and sci-fi. :|fs_metal

Why not? Will all hell break loose if 2 genres were to be mixed?

FF7 had chocobos, magic, a talking wolf,lifestream,a giant ,magical ,destructive meteor, and a bunch of monsters, that's all fantasy.

FF7 also has alien-like creatures, a bunch of scientific experiments that aren't anything you'd see in real life,right now, at least,you fight robots and there's a huge cannon known as the Sister Ray, and these are Sci-fi.

And look at the Wild Arms series, it mixes 3 genres, those being western, sci-fi, and fantasy. So I don't see the problem with a game having more than one genre.

[QUOTE="fs_metal"][QUOTE="DJ-Lafleur"]Well, I think both VII and XII are fantasy and sci-fi. :|DJ-Lafleur

Why not? Will all hell break loose if 2 genres were to be mixed?

FF7 had chocobos, magic, a talking wolf,lifestream,a giant ,magical ,destructive meteor, and a bunch of monsters, that's all fantasy.

FF7 also has alien-like creatures, a bunch of scientific experiments that aren't anything you'd see in real life,right now, at least,you fight robots and there's a huge cannon known as the Sister Ray, and these are Sci-fi.

And look at the Wild Arms series, it mixes 3 genres, those being western, sci-fi, and fantasy. So I don't see the problem with a game having more than one genre.

[QUOTE="DJ-Lafleur"]Well, I think both VII and XII are fantasy and sci-fi. :|fs_metal

[QUOTE="ThreeVo"]

So now this has become a argument of wether or not ff12 is more sci fi then ff7.............. they are both fiction, they are both fantasy..... sci fi or not. End of story.

fs_metal

Science FICTION.... http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fiction

Final FANTASY..... http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/FANTASY

science fiction
n. A literary or cinematic genre in which fantasy, typically based on speculative scientific discoveries or developments, environmental changes, space travel, or life on other planets, forms part of the plot or background.

this has become rediculous, really

Fantasy and science fiction are not one in the same. IF htey were, there wouldn't even be 2 classifications. FFXII is fantasy. FFVII is sci fi. End of freakijng discussion. I am sick of rpoving you all wrong because yiou are all too prideful and freaking stuck up to admit it yourselvesfs_metal

Too prideful and stuck up? If you want that, then look at your last sentence. :|

Well, what do I have to do? IUt should be painfully obvious that FFVII is a much more sci fi game than FFXII is just by looking at the setting and hte scenery. Those 2 things are a LARGE part of what make a game sci fi or not.fs_metal

Well, okay, VII is more Sci-Fi, I guess, but there are still some fantasy elements in VII, and FFXII is more Fantasy than VII, but I still think there is a little bit of Sci-Fi in XII, but not much.

Now that I think about it, this whole topic really isn't that big of a deal, I mean, I'm more concerned about the quality of a game, not category it fits in, but that's just me.

[QUOTE="fs_metal"]Well, what do I have to do? IUt should be painfully obvious that FFVII is a much more sci fi game than FFXII is just by looking at the setting and hte scenery. Those 2 things are a LARGE part of what make a game sci fi or not.DJ-Lafleur

Well, okay, VII is more Sci-Fi, I guess, but there are still some fantasy elements in VII, and FFXII is more Fantasy than VII, but I still think there is a little bit of Sci-Fi in XII, but not much.

Now that I think about it, this whole topic really isn't that big of a deal, I mean, I'm more concerned about the quality of a game, not category it fits in, but that's just me.

[QUOTE="DJ-Lafleur"]

[QUOTE="fs_metal"]Well, what do I have to do? IUt should be painfully obvious that FFVII is a much more sci fi game than FFXII is just by looking at the setting and hte scenery. Those 2 things are a LARGE part of what make a game sci fi or not.fs_metal

Well, okay, VII is more Sci-Fi, I guess, but there are still some fantasy elements in VII, and FFXII is more Fantasy than VII, but I still think there is a little bit of Sci-Fi in XII, but not much.

Now that I think about it, this whole topic really isn't that big of a deal, I mean, I'm more concerned about the quality of a game, not category it fits in, but that's just me.

I suppose, didn't think about that. :|

[QUOTE="fs_metal"][QUOTE="DJ-Lafleur"]

[QUOTE="fs_metal"]Well, what do I have to do? IUt should be painfully obvious that FFVII is a much more sci fi game than FFXII is just by looking at the setting and hte scenery. Those 2 things are a LARGE part of what make a game sci fi or not.DJ-Lafleur

Well, okay, VII is more Sci-Fi, I guess, but there are still some fantasy elements in VII, and FFXII is more Fantasy than VII, but I still think there is a little bit of Sci-Fi in XII, but not much.

Now that I think about it, this whole topic really isn't that big of a deal, I mean, I'm more concerned about the quality of a game, not category it fits in, but that's just me.

I suppose, didn't think about that. :|

[QUOTE="DJ-Lafleur"][QUOTE="fs_metal"][QUOTE="DJ-Lafleur"]

[QUOTE="fs_metal"]Well, what do I have to do? IUt should be painfully obvious that FFVII is a much more sci fi game than FFXII is just by looking at the setting and hte scenery. Those 2 things are a LARGE part of what make a game sci fi or not.fs_metal

Well, okay, VII is more Sci-Fi, I guess, but there are still some fantasy elements in VII, and FFXII is more Fantasy than VII, but I still think there is a little bit of Sci-Fi in XII, but not much.

Now that I think about it, this whole topic really isn't that big of a deal, I mean, I'm more concerned about the quality of a game, not category it fits in, but that's just me.

I suppose, didn't think about that. :|

Well, whatever...

Well, you are wrong. Sci fi and fantasy are 2 different thingsfs_metal

Yeah they are....can't people get that :? They overlap at points, as all genres do, but they are both different in the end....

VII is very sci fi, which is good if you like it. Saying XII isnt at all sci fi is dumb because maybe they missed the opening sequence with the flyng ships which resembled that of star wars.UntouchableHyer

[QUOTE="UntouchableHyer"]VII is very sci fi, which is good if you like it. Saying XII isnt at all sci fi is dumb because maybe they missed the opening sequence with the flyng ships which resembled that of star wars.fs_metal

Its definetly a mix, and saying otherwise is just stupid as was that last statement. Because if those airships arent sci fi i dont know what is.

[QUOTE="fs_metal"][QUOTE="UntouchableHyer"]VII is very sci fi, which is good if you like it. Saying XII isnt at all sci fi is dumb because maybe they missed the opening sequence with the flyng ships which resembled that of star wars.UntouchableHyer

Its definetly a mix, and saying otherwise is just stupid as was that last statement. Because if those airships arent sci fi i dont know what is.