Xbox 720 due spring 2014 - Analyst

Wedbush Securities' Michael Pachter believes later launch "makes more sense" than 2013 debut, says console will function as cable TV box.

The next Xbox will be on store shelves during spring 2014, according to Wedbush Securities analyst Michael Pachter. Speaking to UK magazine Xbox 360, Pachter said he does not believe the latest round of speculation, which puts the Xbox 360 successor out in late 2013.

Microsoft will launch a new Xbox in 2014, Pachter says.

"If I were a betting man (and I am), I would say a spring 2014 launch makes more sense, since hard core Xbots could get a console without having to compete with moms buying gifts at holiday, and it is likely that they won't manufacture more than a few million units for launch," he said.

This is not the first time Pachter has predicted a new Xbox to launch in 2014. In November, the industry diviner said he expected Microsoft's new console to launch sometime during that year.

Pachter also spoke about what he believes Microsoft will introduce with its next Xbox. He said the company is likely to advance the non-gaming capabilities of the Xbox 360 with the new console, specifically in the cable TV sector.

"It's pretty clear to me that Microsoft intends to allow the Xbox 720 to function as a cable TV box, allowing cable television service providers to broadcast over the Internet through the box, with SmartGlass as the remote controller, and with the Xbox 720 using Windows 8 to split the TV signal into multiple feeds, allowing consumers to divert different channel feeds to different displays within the home," he said.

Microsoft has not officially confirmed it is at work on a new platform, but speculation about the console has nevertheless found its way out. Most recently, a 56-page document allegedly originating from Microsoft indicated the company was planning to launch an Xbox 720 in 2013 at $299. An updated version of the Kinect was to be included, and augmented-reality glasses support would be added sometime after launch. The document has since been removed at the behest of Microsoft's legal team.

For more on speculation regarding Microsoft's next home console, check out GameSpot's rumor roundup feature.

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taker254isback
taker254isback

What I think the new Xbox should be :

Radeon 7970 2 GB

i7 3770k

4 gig RAM

Blue -Ray/HD DVD

120 GB SSD

Bluetooth/WiFi/Wireless built in

 

 

taker254isback
taker254isback

Man! let me tell you something...watch out for apple. they might join in on the games race.  imagine...the "icube".

BestJinjo
BestJinjo

If true, all those people complaining that "We don't need next generation consoles" (even though Xbox launched in 2005 and PS3 in 2006) have almost 2 years to save up. Seriously, just put away $20 a month now and in 24 months you'll have $480. No excuses. ;)

 

Hopefully that weak HD6670/7670 GPU rumor will be put to rest. By Spring 2014, there is no way MS is putting such weak hardware in there. This delay from original late 2013 actually can do the console a lot of good since 20nm GPUs will launch in 2014 and bring about 2x the performance of today's offerings (which means current high-end cards will fall in price making it more feasible that MS will use a much more powerful GPU than what is currently rumored).

Chefjase
Chefjase

I do loves me some Xbox. I hope they take their time and field test the unit first to correct any RROD type errors. I'm an Xbox guy for sure, I can even forgive the RROD debaucle. Whatever features it has, I'll be getting the deluxe model. This will be a long-time pre-order for me. I just hope Gamestop offers a nice bundle to get more pre-orders...a year of Gold, second controller and Hdmi cable would be good, and maybe a minigame collection like Kinect Adventure 4(speculation) could be included as well.

kik4444
kik4444

I wonder if there will be a day when Microsoft and Sony combine their resources and make a console that could play both xbox and ps games.

hurvee
hurvee

Michael Pachter's prediction may seem reasonable, but I still believe that Microsoft will eventually release the next Xbox, aptly called Xbox 720, in the fall of 2013.I know the release date has been the subject of speculation for some time now without little or no evidence at all from both claiming sides, but at least, those believing that the new Xbox will be available in the fall of 2013 have some legal documents backing uncovered in a court case.The said court case involves former members of Activision regarding the franchise of the popular Call of Duty series. The court dispute released a paper that speaks of a new game called Destiny that will be released on the Xbox 360 and the Xbox 720 in the fall of 2013. The contract specifically mentioned that the new console from Microsoft will be called Xbox 720. The court paper also hinted that the game will also be released on the PlayStation 3 and the new PlayStation 4 in the fall of 2014.It is known that Bungie, the developer of the popular Xbox exclusive Halo series, left Microsoft in 2007 and worked under the wing of Activision in 2010, hence their involvement in the court proceedings. The documents were first reported by the Los Angeles Times but it is the writer from the Seattle Times that put the pieces of the puzzle together for the first time.While Pachter's belief that a spring launch in 2014 makes sense, it is not based on anything other than his intuition and market history and analysis, which could be mistaken at times.I think it's also still perfectly lucrative for Microsoft to release the new Xbox 720 during the fall of 2013 as this will be in time for the holiday season. And again the court documents are concrete evidence that an Xbox 720 console is really coming in 2013 although we know for a fact that Microsoft did not mention it at this year's E3 gaming conference.Well, it's never a big deal for me when the release date will be but I am still excited nevertheless about the new Xbox. It will be the hottest gaming news I guess for all hard core gamers.By the way, speaking of gaming news, I find gamearena (http://www.gamearena.com.au/news/) an excellent source for fresh unfiltered news. You may want to check it out sometime.

theKSMM
theKSMM

Is there some reason we can't just refer to this thing as the XBOX 3 until we have the actual name?  XBOX 720 always sounds really stupid to me...  :-/

THMBZDownGNZUp
THMBZDownGNZUp

If this happened to become true, it would be perfect for Crytek to advertise Homefront 2 as the first big shooter on the Xbox 720 that spring, that is, both assuming Homefront 2 will be released in spring 2014 and Microsoft will be supporting Homefront 2 like it did with the first Homefront, such as with exclusive content.

monson21502
monson21502

thats good timing. right after most people get their tax returns

GH05T-666
GH05T-666

XBOX 720 and Playstation 4 will both be out by the end of next year for christmas in 2013!

driftingsilvia
driftingsilvia

I love extra chunky peanut butter too, but every time you post a analyst report, I just want to punch you square in the mouth.

KrnDuDe
KrnDuDe

I can be an analyst. PS4 would be released after xbox 720 comes out!

Blue-Sky
Blue-Sky

Consoles are usually announced a year before release. So if Microsoft reveals the next Xbox in 2013, you can bet serious money that it will release in 2014. 

jmc88888
jmc88888

If the rumored grand next gen gpu the 6670 is inside this console then the 720 will be nothing more than a small upgrade cash grab to become a living room entertainment center that happens to be a small upgrade. 

 

For people wondering just what sort of GPU can beat a 6670 (the rumored POWERHOUSE of the ps4/720), here you go.

 

http://www.hwcompare.com/10920/radeon-hd-3850-1gb-vs-radeon-hd-6670-oem-1gb/

 

Yep in these three measures the ancient 3850 (granted no dx11 support) beats a 6670 by 21, 80, and 67 percent in the three things measured.  Somehow I think the physics and A.I. improvements are going to be a bit limited with such a low end GPU.

 

There are four generations newer of ATI cards since the 3850, and the 3850 wasn't even the best of that generation's cards.  Then you consider you have gpu x 2 cards of that and subsequent generations, and can throw either single or x2 cards in SLI or tri-sli and you have one helluva underpowered 'next gen' console. 

 

One that seems to be more intended to be a 'tv experience' than a gaming console.  Geared more to $ell you streaming downloads, and get interactive adverti$ing off you for free with a slight graphical bump up that may incorporate some limited dx11 features.

 

Then when you realize that by spring 2014, odds are there will be two gpu generations beyond the current pc gpu's, and it'll be at least 6 gpu generations behind what pc's have.  (note: this IS NOT a PC gaming is better than CONSOLE gaming remark).  I like consoles.  I like PC's.  I could care less which one is better than the other.  But here's the score.  The 360/ps3 was +1 generations gpu wise above pc's.  Whereas the 720/ps4 is rumored to be -6 generations gpu wise behind pc's.  Next gen is supposed to be similar +/- to what pc's can do during that time.  Not a world apart.

 

That is just freaking sad....if rumors of a 6670 (or anything remotely close to this) are true.

 

If they did a +1, which means 3 generations past a GTX 680/690, I think they'd have 'next gen' in 2014 being possible.  Probably be better to wait to 2015-2016 so you could get that same level of graphics processing at less power and cost, but that's what next gen will take.  Something decidedly ahead of a GTX 680/690.  But instead of a +1, the rumor is they want a -6 generations.  Again it's a rumor, but even the most powerful PC gpu's aren't next gen. This won't be anywhere close. 

 

For -6 gpu generations compared to what will be out on PC's, how can they justify a $299 price tag?  They need to wait and get something out more powerful.  You could buy a 5770 WHEN IT CAME OUT for $159 and that card absolutely trounces a 6670 and you could have that card in a PC for that price over two years ago, and four years before the 720 comes out.

 

http://www.hwcompare.com/10882/radeon-hd-5770-vs-radeon-hd-6670-oem-1gb/

 

The rumors have to be wrong.  Obviously we won't know until ms/sony officially announce the next console.  But all indications and guesses point to a really crappy upgrade that is going to be a small upgrade of everything and that's about it.

 

Pachter didn't say anything about specs, this one seems to be more of a stab of the logic behind a different timing and MAYBE an idea about what the new console's 'other' features are about.  But the console is still going to be a gaming system, and this sucker looks to be a real.  A 6670 is basically twice as fast as the Xenos chip that powers the 360.  Again a 3850 minus a few features has greater power than a 6670. Sure they'll mod it, and squeeze more out because of the closed architecture, but the 6670 is far too weak to power next-gen.  I can't see how console gamers in 2020 are going to be still playing a system that pc gpu's will be ~11-12, hell maybe 15 generations behind pc's.  

TruthTellers
TruthTellers

Every time I see an article about a Pachter prediction, I wonder about how many other, more consequential articles could have been written. Please, no more Pachter moronic guesses; I don't think I can read another one without feeling like I've just been water-boarded.

MW2ismygame
MW2ismygame

"Michael Pachter believes" = instant fail article

Vodoo
Vodoo

This guy has no clue. First he says one thing, then when it doesn't happen he says it'll happen next year, or the year after. NO SHYT!!! Why game industry web sites post crap from this guy is beyond me. I guess they have an article quota to fill or something, because he's never right. What Pachter says is like a road map of what's not gonna happen.

Camnovic
Camnovic

I think it is a great idea. Kids get giftcards, no fighting over other items and the stores will be less crowded. Plus it gives Microsoft the end of year final sales for the 360.

-HaloHitman-
-HaloHitman-

Spring 2014 really? Consoles usually come out during the fall don't they. I'd say fall 2013.

bwgamer
bwgamer

Ok missing the holiday season may be ok for the rest of the world but here in the States... HECK NO!!! Everyone knows you need your "ace in the hole" product ready by Black Friday if you want to make a butt load of money, and I doubt Microsoft wants to miss out on that.

Sepehr1395
Sepehr1395

Ok let me ask you sth!

Are you still going to belive what patcher says?

I personnally don't .

stfudouche
stfudouche

How is Patcher still employed, i mean i bet he made lots of bad calls for the investmant firm. I'm hoping for a q3/q4 2013 release date with new ip's, since no major games aren't announced for release during that time period.

IanNottinghamX
IanNottinghamX

I hope im able to transfer all of my content to the new system, If not and Microsoft expects me to rebuy or do microtransactions, then Microsoft gets the middle finger at that point.

BadMrSnake
BadMrSnake

fall 2013 marks the rise of the Xbox Infinite!

Hey_Jay
Hey_Jay

I'm beginning to consider if I could care less about what analysts have to say about anything.

 

Oh, that was quick.

Frosty192
Frosty192

MP, spurtin' off words again. I wish I also could get paid to "guess".

mike300zxt
mike300zxt

Xbox 360 already supports HD TV as a cable box or as a media center extender, and you can get it now in Canada, the US and the UK, so I don't think the 720 being a cable box is something new...they're just trying to do a bigger push with it because people couldn't imagine it in 2005, but in 2013, where you otherwise have to buy an HD PVR from your cable company anyways, now they get it.

Frankenstrat247
Frankenstrat247

I like how they have to put "analyst" in the title so that people won't immediately skip over it once they realize it's Pachter.

Vickman178
Vickman178

DAMIT GAMESPOT QUIT POSTING PACHTER QUOTES

conspirethis
conspirethis

How does releasing in SPRING rather than the traditional holidays make more sense? This Patcher guy...

will3k3
will3k3

I don't mind 2014, i hope the price is good and that i can take my library with me. i hope they don't f++k us like the PS3 did with the end goal no backwards compatibility. Please Microsoft let me play my old games

amaan4ever
amaan4ever

I don't why gamspot is posting these predictionfrome analyst every few days. There is no point of these articles. Why don't you just wait till.someone from Sony or Microsoft announce it.

EggEmperor
EggEmperor

Translation:

"Microtransactions will be in every game, EA exec hopes."

LandauTST
LandauTST

I'm...just getting tired of all the predictions, rumors and speculation. It's all pointless unless Microsoft starts giving info out themselves. But yet you see something new every week, people guessing what is coming and when. Don't get me wrong, I'm all kinds of excited for the new generation of consoles, I just get tired of hearing the same thing over and over again without any official information.

vault-boy
vault-boy

Theirs not denying (at least from a rational human being) that having your Xbox be able to be a cable box would be nice. It would just help with the big tangled mess behind my TV, and its not like they will shove it down your throat or that it will take away from the hardware capacities of the system (assuming that it is a feature, of course). It would just be something for added convenience for the people who would like to optimize it, I know I would. It would also be cool if they had an alarm like a cable box does where it will have a pop up message whenever a show is about to come on that you want to watch. Then I can be playing Halo or Gears or GTA or whatever and then at 9:55 I get a message that Breaking Bad starts in 5 minutes. That would be pretty great, anyone who has accidentally missed a show because they were busy playing a good game will agree to that.

Norrie91
Norrie91

Will Analysists please SHUT THE F*** UP and just wait for it to be announced!

thenephariouson
thenephariouson

My analysis is as follows:

1, The next MS console will play games.

2, It will be able to play Movies.

3, It will connect to the Internet.

4, It will connect to the 'Live' service.

5, It will require a power source.

6, it will be made made of plastic.

7, It will contain internal components.

 

Etc.............

 

You get the point!

JimmeyBurrows
JimmeyBurrows

I analyse that nobody really believes analysts anymore

PhilipO45
PhilipO45

 @taker254isback

 Sounds about right, but i'd expect 6-8GB of unified Ram. or if didicated vram is used then 2GB(which is enough for 1080p for most situations) and 4GB of main Ram.

 

 The gpu sounds fitting, as the 7970 runs at lower heat then NVidia's equal(although i like nvidia's features more, such as 3D vision and physx), and the main thing is this gpu will handle 1080@ 60fps, max settings.

 

 I do think they opt for a 6 core cpu, at the least, as i don't see a near parrallel move in cpu power.(since the 360 uses a tri core).

 

 I see these specs:

 

 ATI 7970

 6 core CPU

 6-8 GB of unified Ram

 BR Drive

 and some sort of SSD, as i doubt they go cloud only.

coviechieif62
coviechieif62

 @jmc88888 when a gpu is set up with a specific architecture for a specific console application, the result is performance that far surpasses the performance of the pc equivalent, take the radeon x1900 video cars and yet it still makes competent looking games on 7 year old tech. 

On top of that, the programmers for games only have to optimize for one specific hardware setup per console, as opposed to a near infinite amount of different computes.

All in all, I think with something in the range of a 6670 (although i bet the gpu will actually be a 7000 series) will be more than enough for console gaming to look lik the pc graphics of the time.

-BTW, I'm mostly  a pc gamer and am not particularly biased about any platform

joeborg14
joeborg14

 @will3k3 If they're boasting it as a One-Box system, they better not force me to keep my old 360 hooked up.

stfudouche
stfudouche

 @LongJohnSlivers There not releasing new ip's on 7 year old systems....If next gen means new ip's im all for it because im sick of gears of war, call of duty, assassins creed, uncharted and everything that has a 3 or 4 at the end of it. The last new ips of  this gen are tomb raider, ,watch dogs, and maybe star wars 1313

conspirethis
conspirethis

 @LongJohnSlivers Yeah, on next gen consoles. Sick of the absence of innovation in the gaming community this gen.

 

I'll say it again, new tech doesn't just mean new textures and particles.

 

It means more complex A.I, more A.I on-screen in general, greatly improved physics, the processing power to handle a much wider plate of gameplay variation on bigger maps with no loading in between.

 

What about something new, like instead of just artificial intelligence, have artificial emotion that works with and influences the A.I, giving games even more head-room for gameplay opportunities.This is just off the top of my head.

 

Even greater room for more advanced 3D postional audio, although that will only be available for a select portion of gamers.

FallenOneX
FallenOneX

 @vault-boy You can do that now on the 360 if you have AT&T U-verse as your provider. It's still costs your about $99 unless they changed the price.

Vastano
Vastano

 @stfudouche I highly doubt SW 1313 is for the current gen. I think it's going to be for the next gen.

You've forgotten The Last of Us and Beyond: Two Souls. Not sure whether Tomb Raider should be counted as a new IP - more like a reboot of an existing IP.

But other wise, I somewhat agree. While I know I will buy and enjoy Halo 4 and AssCreed3, I'm dying to get my hands on something new. Which is why I am looking forward to Watch Dogs and SW 1313 more compared to the aforementioned games.