GameSpot GamePlay Special Edition Spoilercast: The Dark Knight Rises

Comic Vine's Tony Guerrero and Sara Lima join GameSpot's Brendan Sinclair, Tom Mc Shea, and Carolyn Petit to talk about The Dark Knight Rises.

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GameSpot GamePlay Special Edition Spoilercast: The Dark Knight Rises

What's this? Movie talk? Blasphemy! This is a gaming publication! Well, OK, you got us there. Still, we couldn't resist talking about Christopher Nolan's latest blockbuster. Comic Vine's Tony Guerrero and Sara Lima join GameSpot's Brendan Sinclair, Carolyn Petit, and Tom Mc Shea in a full breakdown of The Dark Knight Rises.

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KelpsterD
KelpsterD

I preferred the fight style they used. And it works, considering Batman and Bane both were old League of Shadows members and they get taught brutal fighting styles.

sgtZipper
sgtZipper

Batman should've died, how did he survive anyway?

cstv
cstv

This was the worst of the trilogy, but i am sure all fan boys would send me death threats

Metallicwolf29
Metallicwolf29

Robin Blake was the worst addition to the series. Ofcourse only females think it was the most powerful thing in the film

WTA2k5
WTA2k5

I find it odd that so many people wanted Batman to die at the end of this film, since his death would've violated one of this series' main themes. Each movie focuses on the idea that it's much easier to throw one's life away for a cause than to endure (and of course, it's more or less Batman's duty to take the more difficult route). We see this idea come up in Batman Begins when Bruce Wayne decides not to kill the man who murdered his parents and instead train to become Batman, and in how he decides not to join Ra's and saves Gotham despite its utter corruption. We see it again in The Dark Knight in how Batman is willing to take the fall for Harvey Dent's death (not to mention the fact that Dent's entire story arc displays the opposite, "easy", course of action). Yet again, these themes reoccur in The Dark Knight Rises as we see Bruce overcome Bane's "torture", and finally, in his willingness to pass on the torch and live a new life. His death would've been contrary to one of the main points of the entire series, and as such, I don't see why anyone could think it would've improved the film.

Sushiglutton
Sushiglutton

My biggest issue was with Banes/Talias plan. Instead of retreading the same motivation as in Batman Begins and do the cleancing the city thing, I thought it would have been much more interesting if they stayed with the french revolution theme. Also like McShea suggests show more of the consequences of that. I completely disagree with the complains about the ending though. I thought it was superb and very suprising given how dark this trilogy has been.

ShadowsDemon
ShadowsDemon

Loved the movie more than any other movie I've ever seen and it will stay like that. :)

ash162
ash162

loved the movie although of course bane can't hold a candle to joker. loads of superman bashing here! need i remind u guys batman had nipple suits before nolan. i have high hopes for 'man of steel' and i dont think it will disappoint!

 

k0wing
k0wing

did you guys forget that Bruce became one of the 99% lol! he was "broke"

NTM23
NTM23

It was called Keysi, not Krav Maga. I liked it.

MastaLejend
MastaLejend

What do you think about this for the final fight scene. Batman comes back to fight Bane and again is badly beaten by Bane with the batsuit being broken and able to fall off. So he realizes that he must remove the suit since the main enemies know it is Bruce Wayne anyway. This then allows him to move much quicker and easily evade Bane. He then is able to attack the breathing mask and break it. Although it may go against Batman coming to save the day atleast it may have played in with the theme that everyone has a hero in them.

wornstar
wornstar moderatorstaff

Yeah my thoughts exactly, Talia was alright up until that Death Scene. Horribly Horrible! Bad Editing or Direction or just plain ol bad acting.

eseptim
eseptim

I'll just wait till they announce the game's release date.

alpha_unit97
alpha_unit97

This movie was incredible, period. For those of you who don't like it, well, I'll just conclude my thoughts by saying you probably didn't get it...

SolidTy
SolidTy

Watch Superman Vs. The Elite if you doubt Superman...it's on Blu-Ray and it's made for peeps that Hate Supes. ;) :P

SolidTy
SolidTy

Also, sidepoint...I don't think Catwoman was called Catwoman in the movie. I've seen it twice Imax 15/70 style, but the odd thing was I don't recall once her being called Catwoman. Of course, she was Selina Kyle and she looked the part, but they never quite said her name, did they?

SolidTy
SolidTy

BTW : Hulk can jump miles at a time in a single leap. :P

 

SolidTy
SolidTy

You guys were fixated on an insane's persons logic, I wouldn't worry too much about Talia's motives. Destroying a city is big bad super villian theme I never liked. Batman Begins did that with Liam Neeson and Ra's Al Ghul, and they brought back that same idea for this. So, you have to swallow the logic of destroying Gotham in Begins to accept the premise once again for this movie.

FreedomPrime
FreedomPrime

The batman in this movie series not the same as the batman from the comic's. The batman in the comic's would never give up being batman to have a social life. Protecting the innocent and upholding justice is far more important to him them any thing else. IDK I guess this was a good movie on it's own merits but as a batman movie it really wasn't in the spirit of the batman I know and love. I can't wait til the next iteration of batman in movies, i hope they go the route that marvel has gone with their movies.

 

SolidTy
SolidTy

At least you guys bothered to educate Ra's al Ghul pronunciation...too bad Nolan messed that up. I've tried to help friends with that since Batman Begins.

 

There was one point that was missed about Batman, is that he did approach Bane with a small tactic, they highlighted that his mask was a weakness (not in comics, but a weakness presented in the movie at the intro, and to Bruce when in Prison). So, really, Batman did approach with more than punches at the end, he went for Bane's weakness once he realized Bane had one, much like Bane in the comics who uses Venom.

p4kman88
p4kman88

so....how buff was bane (tom hardy)? i mean....bane is a tank....and in the preview he looks like an average dude wearing a brown trench coat and scuba gear...

FreedomPrime
FreedomPrime

I did not like that movie. I also did not like batman begins either.

NINEINCH-Tool
NINEINCH-Tool

I found this movie to be a letdown; hugely because of the uneven story telling and character builds. The characters that you knew well from the first 2 films end up taking a backseat and usually given heft during those sloppy, and sentimental scenes (like Michael Cane and his old-man story that comes out of nowhere and begs to stick your attention for a few wasted minutes). The new characters were an unsatisfying and poorly fleshed-out catalyst for the film; giving it the feel of heavy handed and unconvincing action, almost like they were compiled from a bunch of outtakes (thereby exposing the lack of direction in those scenes)

SilentGaurdian
SilentGaurdian

@sgtZipper He fixed the auto pilot, didn't tell anyone so he could end he life as batman

Mizarzeug
Mizarzeug

@cstv Your words speak the truth it shows the decadence of perapective and main objetive. Maybe thats why no past directors have made more than 2e at Batmam movies

RavenXavier
RavenXavier

 @WTA2k5

 Under normal DC story arc circumstances I would totally agree. How-ever Chris Nolan and DC both have stated that the events of the movie trilogy are in their own universe. It would have made far more sense (and was in fact to be the original ending to the movie) to have Batman die from the nuclear explosion at the end of DKR.

 

When the "Directors Cut" DvD of DKR comes out with the extra footage and cut scenes it will indeed have the "alternate" ending where he dies at the end. Before the movie's release the decision was made to use the ending where he lives, thanks to the input of "focus groups" who were given the chance to see the movie before the final cut was put together.

 

You can Google the information I'm giving you here to see it's validity but you may have to check through a few interview sites to get to it.

KelpsterD
KelpsterD

 @MastaLejend 

 

And then he takes one punch from Bane and it shatters every bone in his body because he's not wearing the Batsuit. 

 

Should work.

shinobiprophetx
shinobiprophetx

 @slipknotmaggot1 Here's another plot issue. How old is Bane? He was there when Talia was a child, and she's practically Bruce's age...so is he like 70 when he fights Batman? Wtf?

WillyChong
WillyChong

 @alpha_unit97 Hey man, why so serious? 

 

Movie Critic needs to feed themselves, without criticism they won't get fat. I watch the show and frankly Bane is a refreshing reminder of Hearth Ledger's Joker. A different yet similar comic villian, too bad Bane in Arhkam City is a joker cause you won't even need to fight him, while Batman really got his back break from Tom hardy's Bane. Arhkam City Joker always reminded me of Hearth Ledger's role :D

AzulSoul
AzulSoul

 @SolidTy Well, maybe because her presence was almost unnoticed in the movie, i mean in a good way. The funniest thing for me was that basically everybody knew batman's identity but batman anyways used his intimidating voice.hmmm Why so serious batman? hehehe

Game__Raider
Game__Raider

 @FreedomPrime 

What you mean action first and character development never? Seriously, why would you want a marvel like Batman? It would be way to corny and cheesy. These more gritty Batman movies are so much better IMO. I don't really want to see Batman running around in a cartoony world or anything.

WillyChong
WillyChong

 @p4kman88 He can't be a giant with funky liquid tubes/tank attached to his back, look at the past Bane based actor, you really think they are actually take Bane seriously, do the viewer actually take Bane seriously, the first time I saw the old Bane, my first thought was, ohh another giant freak with no brain going to be Batman's meat bag

 

Tom Hardy's Bane was not a meat bag, I nearly thought that Bane is going down with Batman, kinda sad his death is rather side stepped when you have a bike that can actually kill him rather quickly......

xXxIRyanxXx
xXxIRyanxXx

 @NINEINCH-Tool Can you be more clear on Alfred's old man story,does old man story mean showing his feelings for Bruce. He cares more about Batman then anyone else in the movie, and he knew that Bruce going to fight Bane the first time after an eight year retirement was a terrible idea. And the fight ended with Batman breaking his back. He was trying to save Bruce from a fight he couldnt win, because he wanted him to have a better life.He even goes as far as telling Bruce the truth about Rachel trying to stop him.

isshiah
isshiah

 @shinobiprophetx  bruce is around 40 years old and bane is late 40's.  those are approximates. we don't know how young bane was when he saved talia.

Sgthombre
Sgthombre

 @WillyChong You fight him in Arkham Asylum. I think the developers didn't see a reason to include the exactly same (mildly underwhelming) boss fight from the previous game. And if Bats looses the fight in that game, Bane breaks his back. 

WillyChong
WillyChong

 @Divine_Stryph I don't think they even need to, when you see Anna's Selina Kyle you will instantly say, its the Cat in tight suit! And she is "riding" on Batman's ride! XD

WillyChong
WillyChong

 @Game__Raider We have the Avengers and bloody Superman to make everyone happy, Batman is a reminder the cynical real world of ours, and he is actually a man, not a man of superpower, I like Christopher Nolan's Batman, cause it is the closest thing you get from what could really happened in a real world.

 

Early Batman was bright and colorful, it was the begin of the gritty/less cartoony batman series that draws everyone's attention to it. If batman's life is colorful, he would be a history cause he would be all the past comic character that run out of colorful bright ideas.

NINEINCH-Tool
NINEINCH-Tool

 @xXxIRyanxXx now I'm not claiming that those parts don't make sense (they really try to) but the drama in the movie was cut-rate and felt like it was assembled from a bunch of outtakes of them rambling over ideas of how to express the right sentiments. The first two installments were indeed films(arguable) this 3rd was a 'movie'. It had many aspects that were vested in pulling-in new audiences with a story, and depiction that had the rank odor of social-commentary, rather than deeper character building and self-effacing elements that would have you following your attention into greater details about the film. Quite simply, if you paid too much attention here to the wrong details you would find the movie coming up really short. Even the action had dulled consequences beyond the fact that this was now a pg movie masquerading as something darker and more objective.

KelpsterD
KelpsterD

 @isshiah  @chrisangelo2k7 

 

Agreed. Also, she was referred to as "The Cat/Catburgler" not "Catwoman" though. But they didn't need to, It's pretty obvious.

Sgthombre
Sgthombre

 @chrisangelo2k7 You are not seriously going to tell me that those goggles didn't look at all like cat ears. Also, how can a character be out of character? 

slipknotmaggot1
slipknotmaggot1

 @isshiah totally agree with you man.. she did a good job at both characters and they did it in true nolan vision.. plus did you see how flexible she was?! hot damn! the closest thing they called her though was "The Cat-bergler" if anything, she was more so catwoman because that's what she was originally intended to be was a cat-bergler. unlike Michelle Pfeiffer who became catwoman.... because of cats..... they are two very different iterations of catwoman.. both were good. 

isshiah
isshiah

 @chrisangelo2k7 oh come off it, she looked as much like catwoman as anyone else. just because she wasn't some overly slutty nutcase showing her body off, it doesn't mean she didn't look like the character. the gloves and boots are from long halloween, the mask is a modern version of the 60's show. the costume is the basic modern suit.people act like she was wearing an orange tracksuit or something.

chrisangelo2k7
chrisangelo2k7

 @WillyChong She looked nothing like Catwoman whatsoever... Her costume was a flop. She did good as Selina Kyle (not as good as Michelle Pfeiffer), but as "Catwoman" (?), she lacked credibility and was out of character.