Double Fine’s Massive Chalice to feature same-sex marriage

The feature has been added as a result of community feedback; game targeting PC, Mac, Linux release.

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Double Fine’s upcoming Massive Chalice game rocketed past its initial $725,000 Kickstarter goal, and currently sits at more than 22,500 backers, with 20 days to go. As a result of fan feedback, the forthcoming tactical strategy game will also include support for same-sex marriage, game lead Brad Muir has confirmed in an interview with Rock, Paper, Shotgun.

“We did not talk about [the possibility of gay marriage] until we launched the Kickstarter,” he told the website. “We were so focused on pure pragmatic mechanics and how it would work and coupling and all these things that we hadn't [considered it]. That was something I got kinda blindsided by. That was really unfortunate. It kinda makes me feel s****y that it’s not something I’d thought of. I think it’s sort of hetero privilege that I didn't see it coming.”

Muir believes that funding the project through Kickstarter has provided the developer with part of the flexibility required to make the addition, and that had the team opted for more traditional financial support, a publisher would likely have nixed the opportunity to include the feature.

“If somebody did think about it during that whole thing, they would've probably just killed it, because it is such a controversial issue. They’d probably not want to have it associated with the game at all. And then they’d give me a PR company line that I’d have to tell in every interview, and it’d be super, super s****y. And then any gay gamers who are coming to the game and playing it and wanting to see themselves represented would just be really disappointed,” he said.

The decision to include a same-sex marriage option is now a serious goal for the team, though with the game still in its early developmental stages, exact mechanics haven’t yet been worked out.

“We've been talking about ways to actually incorporate gay marriage,” Muir said. “One of the suggestions was to allow couples--male/female or otherwise--to contribute to the good of the realm via means other than childbirth. So couples could raise children or research technology. That’s one interesting way to handle it. And then, if you couple it with the ability to foster children, I think that’s a way you could have same-sex couples in the game. And it’s optional. People can choose to engage it or not.”

Massive Chalice is being built on Double Fine’s in-house Buddha engine, and will be launched on the PC, Mac, and Linux. No release date has been confirmed. The company is currently developing Dropchord and its point-and-click adventure game Broken Age.

Discussion

288 comments
DeadlyVortex
DeadlyVortex

Interestingly enough, any character you allow to pursue this option would effectively be ending his line...and when half the premise of this game is about continuing your lineage, that seems rather...unwise.

ECH71
ECH71

As long is it's just women on women I'm down with that... otherwise, no... 

I'd like to eat something while playing video games, wouldn't want to vomit.

MasterOfSprites
MasterOfSprites

On a related note, I really like the concept behind the game.

codeman101360
codeman101360

Good for them. Not really sure if this is news-worthy though.

AndrewII
AndrewII

This game should also include polygam/plural marraiges.......

SolidSnakeFan
SolidSnakeFan

"hetero privilege"

my sides have entered a new dimension

DarthLod
DarthLod

Follow the trend....follow follow follow. While the morality of humanity falls to politically correctness.....

Winzent
Winzent

I feel sorry for Double Fine, was looking forward to another unreleased tactics game. All the trolls constantly dragging this up to spur flaming will hurt the game in the end ... That includes you too Gamespot!

nathangray
nathangray

I don't think the majority in the comments section quite understands that if this is a deal-breaker for you, chances are you no one wanted you in the game in the first place. You don't have to find that fair, and it's not cramming anyone's beliefs down anyone's throat. Games are a community, and communities have always had to right to choose who is a part of it. Such is life. I'm sure there's a prayer rally somewhere that's waiting to welcome you with open arms and hands.

toyo75
toyo75

Same sex marriage in video games isn't a new thing or a big deal anymore. There was same sex marriage in Skyrim and same sex relationships in the Dragon Age and Mass Effect games.

What's more important is how entertaining the game is to play. Sexuality shouldn't be an issue anymore.

mtnjak
mtnjak

"Hetero privilege" ?  Ok.  I guess that's one way to look at it.  Not that there's anything wrong with that. 

Kit_Sakurazuka
Kit_Sakurazuka

TO BE FAIR, given that an important part of the gameplay is apparently creating children to fight in the next generation, I would *understand* if same-sex marriage wasn't a thing, just like I'm *okay* with having to do a second run of Fire Emblem: Awakening with a female Robin so I can pair him/her with Chrom.

But the fact that the devs are actually willing to work around the mechanics and find a way to allow same-gender couples (hopefully) without penalizing the player is *awesome*, and leaves me far more inclined to think well of them in the future.


Even if it kinda sounds like they're looking for pats on the back or brownie points.

meatz666
meatz666

How about not being concerned about what people sexualy is or enjoy, and let the softhouse do this genderless marriage. Like The Sims? 

bluefox755
bluefox755

Why doesn't it have transgender characters?  Or represent all religions?  What about little people?  We have to include EVERYONE, or's it's definitely bigoted.

aron_1993
aron_1993

@ECH71 Being homophobic and objectifying women must be fun in this day and age. I honor your bravery. You HAVE to be a good person.

codeman101360
codeman101360

@El_Zaggy Actually, it's completely optional. So don't worry, you don't have to leave your little hateful repressed bubble.

TheWatcher000
TheWatcher000

@El_Zaggy If you were standing in front of me right now, I would beat the shit out of you.  You just called me a disease.

Take your bigotry, and kindly Fuck Off.

Nom4d987
Nom4d987

@pop-warriorwith Conspiracy theorist as well as a hate spewing bigot. Some stand up person you must be. A real gem. 

yomonkey
yomonkey

@toyo75 agreed.... i see this announcement more as the "btw you can choose to play as a female character in Mass Effect" sort of thing.... I didn't really read in to the piece as being self congratulatory for how progressive they're being... more so just announcing a new feature that will likely appeal to a number of potential players. 

Nom4d987
Nom4d987

@mtnjak There's nothing wrong with hetero couples having the choices they have in itself. The problems lie in the fact that they are accepted as exclusively meant for hetero couples, or assumed as such.

MysteryJ0ker
MysteryJ0ker

@Kit_Sakurazuka 

They'll be in it but, as far as bloodline goes, it cuts off right there.  I'm assuming adoption would be implemented so same-sex couples can continue a family line, but that starts the bloodline of the adopted child.

Sefrix
Sefrix

@bluefox755 EXACTLY. People like to pick a single small issue out of the great many and say "It should have this" not because they care for equality (or it would in fact have everything) but because they want to feel good about themselves. It's a selfish act to only call out one thing and then think to yourself you're helping anything.

Nom4d987
Nom4d987

@bluefox755 With it being a fantasy world, I doubt the religions we know will be in there. I see no problem with them including transgender characters though. A bit of magic and poof, different gender. How likely it's going to be seeing a trans character in the game... no idea.

TheWatcher000
TheWatcher000

@Nom4d987 @toyo75 That makes Two Of Us.  :)

Nom4d987
Nom4d987

@Sefrix  While you have a point and it would go a bit far to call all of this social activism. I do think the more same sex marriage becomes a norm, in games, movies and books as well as outside of those, the closer we are to achieving equality for everyone. Women's rights to vote also required babysteps to get where we are now. They are in a much better position than they were 50 years ago. It's not just a selfish 'this is an issue that matters to me' but just in general a small step in the right direction.

Nom4d987
Nom4d987

@DarthLod Wow, this little fact really changed my view on the world, what an eye opener, a real deep and well thought out response covered in a think layer of elegance by the 'sir' at the end.

sexyeyes79
sexyeyes79

@Nom4d987 @pop-warriorwith  

Do you actually think what country you are from matters?  We're all on this rock in the middle of nowhere and could be wiped out at any moment.   You think you're all intelligent and high and mighty with your weak comebacks?  Do you even have an inkling what happens in the real world?  I guarantee you think what happens on fake TV government controlled news is what is really happening?  I have a bridge and a piece of land on Titan for sale too.

pop-warriorwith
pop-warriorwith

@Nom4d987 

I only say this then I'll quit . I'm not from usa .actually I was thinking u are from usa . I'm from Iran and I like Netherlands . no bad feelings .

Nom4d987
Nom4d987

@pop-warriorwith You can't make up your mind can you, then you want to stay, then you want to go and stop replying. 

I'm also happy you're proud of something you did nothing for to achieve, in your case being born in the country you're in (presumably the USA). Even more hilarious, you're proud of not being born in the Netherlands. I don't often say this but.. my sides. Please entertain me more!

pop-warriorwith
pop-warriorwith

@Nom4d987

I'm sorry to say that but stupidity is something that should be judged by other members not u and your friend (TheWatcher000) . and yes not being of your country is something that I'm proud to say .and I'm not going to waste my time and other members by answering your disrespects .

Nom4d987
Nom4d987

@pop-warriorwith Yeah, you better thank god you're not from my country, hell, we wouldn't even want you. 

 Oh yeah, and of course it's your decision to stay or not, but you're only succeeding in making yourself look more of an utter idiot with every line that rolls off of your keyboard, so by all means, keep replying and I'll keep laughing all the way through.

pop-warriorwith
pop-warriorwith

@TheWatcher000

It seems the definition of being savage changed by you .take a look back at your comment and you will see who is the savage one .And one thing else , thank god Im not from your country .

Nom4d987
Nom4d987

@pop-warriorwith So your comeback is "No, you.". Good one, you've really overruled us with that one. Get out.

pop-warriorwith
pop-warriorwith

@TheWatcher000 

I think the opposite will help so much better . I mean it .it really seems that way

TheWatcher000
TheWatcher000

@Nom4d987 I figured there was a misunderstanding after reading it.  I was addressing the bigot in the room, not you.

My apologies.  There is just so much hate and bigotry in our country right now.

Occasionally I get overwhelmed and get a little over the top.  But that asshole deserved it, as well as couple who posted above him.

I am sick and tired of seeing my country degenerate into a cesspool of mindless savages.

Nom4d987
Nom4d987

@TheWatcher000 I think we have a misunderstanding here. You quoted/addressed me in your previous comment as well so I assumed you were talking to me. If you're talking to pop-warriorwith, well it's still not a nice thing to say, but at least you can regard my comment as non existent. :)

TheWatcher000
TheWatcher000

@Nom4d987 @TheWatcher000 Hey, if you agree with him, why don't you join him?

Do your part to make the planet a better place!

As for me being a hateful person, go fuck yourself.  I will challenge bigotry and hatred however, and whenever I want.

And you will #dealwithit.

Nom4d987
Nom4d987

@TheWatcher000 You could've just said 'Kill yourself', would've left more room for creativity on my part. Unfortunately you did nothing but waste a lot of time proving how much of a hateful person you are and how irrelevant your opinion is. 

nathangray
nathangray

@mtnjak @Nom4d987 You need to look beyond your borders if that's what you think. "Thousands of years of human precedence" has seen more than hetero couples represented both in and outside of marriage. So-called 'traditional values' sits in a vacuum compared to what ~historically~ has actually been true.

mtnjak
mtnjak

@Nom4d987 By no religion.  But by thousands of years of human precendence that has established an institution between man and woman.  You're right, no single religion owns marriage.

Nom4d987
Nom4d987

@mtnjak "marriage is exclusively defined as hetereo"
By who? By whatever religion you know of/subscribe to? The fact is that people all over the world, regardless of their religion/gender/orientation want to be able to get married, hence the move of quite a few countries/states towards same sex marriage. Religion still thinks it has the final say in this matter, but it doesn't since no single one religion owns marriage.

Nom4d987
Nom4d987

@Apastron Gain enough support and they might listen. Good luck with that.

Apastron
Apastron

If I can't play as a Zoroastrian mixed race Romany-African with dwarfism that's married to a bookcase then I'm boycotting this game.