CliffyB writes open letter asking for Phil Fish to continue making games

"Never forget that the internet can be a fantastic thing, but it can also be fantastically dumb," writes Gears of War designer in open letter to Phil Fish.

Veteran game designer Cliff Bleszinski has written an open letter to Fez developer Phil Fish, requesting that he stay in the games industry.

Bleszinski's post on Tumblr speaks about how the Gears of War designer has learnt to respond to criticism online, and asks Fish to make a return.

Fish announced over the weekend that he was getting away from the games industry, and said the amount of negativity he received over the internet was a factor in his decision. Fish then announced that Fez 2, which was announced at E3 2013, was cancelled.

"Never underestimate the intestinal fortitude of the anonymous loser hiding behind a monitor and his or her ability to sling vitriol at someone who willingly puts themselves out there," said Bleszinski.

"The fact of the matter, Phil, is that you were trending worldwide on Twitter. How many game developers can say that? Does no-one realize that while you may seem somewhat unstable at times you also have Andy Kaufman as your Twitter AVI? (Kids, google Andy, and suddenly Phil might just make more sense to you. Or watch 'Man On The Moon.')"

"Never forget that the internet can be a fantastic thing, but it can also be fantastically dumb. Reddit is a wonderful community for finding out funny memes or random facts until they falsely accuse someone of being the Boston Bomber or go out of their way to protect the r/creepshots loser. And never forget that the Internet can be one big game of telephone amplified by anonymous myopic monkeys jamming on keyboards who are so angry about their meatball sandwich."

"You don’t owe a damned thing to any gaming journalist. We’ve seen the rise of many 'Rush Limbaughs' in the gaming industry, people who do videos or podcasts digging a finger into an open wound that gets the gaming community going because, hits. You DO owe a great product to your community, something I hope you’ll resume doing some time in the near future. The industry needs people like you to speak with their hearts before their brains because I’m tired of hearing the PR approved appropriate response. I’m tired of games that feel like they’ve been developed by focus groups or clueless executives going 'Hey that Call of Duty is big, we need one of those!'"

"Besides, at the end of the day, that cycle of community feedback and crafting that big fireball is entirely too addictive."

"Come back, Phil," concluded Bleszinski. "We miss you already. Maybe I’ll be right behind you, returning with Adamantium skin."

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jhonMalcovich
jhonMalcovich

Why it looks like Leonard from Big Bang Theory ?

Hurvl
Hurvl

"returning with Adamantium skin" So Cliff will return as Wolverine (he had adamantium bonded to his skeleton though) and is asking Fish to return... as fish?

tightwad34
tightwad34

Only thing you're doing by writing this is boosting Cliff's ego, and it doesn't need that.

Chico86_basic
Chico86_basic

I'm sorry guys, but Cliff is absolutely right on this one. You can joke and whine type all you want but this is the truth. Nowadays I feel more and more ashamed to call myself a gamer because all of you ungrateful bastards!!!

Don_Mattrick
Don_Mattrick

Philly and Cliffy sitting under the tree K I S S I N G

thermalcold
thermalcold

"Never underestimate the intestinal fortitude of the anonymous loser hiding behind a monitor and his or her ability to sling vitriol at someone who willingly puts themselves out there," said Bleszinski. 

Wow! Did I just read about "anonymous loser(s)" ?This is a guy that goes by CliffyB? ha ha ha ha ha! 

"Ooooh, Cliffy, it is time to come home to dinner and get an ADULT NAME!!!!! Seriously, I just looked this up, he is "supposed" to be 38!

-"Does no-one realize.." This guy is calling the internet dumb, so, why is there a dash in that sentence? (should be o, space, o, just in case you're wondering.)

-"protect the r/creepshots loser.." Again, this guy calls the internet dumb, so wth is that?

-"gaming community going because, hits." Again, wth is this? Did you forget something? Like words?????????????

-"And never forget that the Internet can be one big game.." Why is the word internet capitalized in the middle of the sentence?

Well, enough bashing,  We now see who is dumb.

MattyTheButcher
MattyTheButcher

Pleaaaaaase science, can you find a way to get these guys together and make a baby. 

deon99
deon99

Phil Fish and cliffy b can now go to hell.This guy is no one special.he made a mediocre game and was most likely out of ideas for the second and wanted a scape goat .Marcus has the right to say what he wants just like these two are doing now.

Why was he trending makes no since to me.Just goes to show that someone being a jackass can go a long way.

Bawniey
Bawniey

Cliffy b get over yourself.

somebody337
somebody337

lol I bet all this free publicity was Phil's plan from the start.

jazilla
jazilla

Phil is trolling everyone. Just my two cents.

stan_boyd
stan_boyd

just a question to those who say it doesn't matter what phil did he doesn't deserve the bashing he gets, what would you guys say if it was an EA or Activision guy calling you guys cheap for buying their games on sale or if they said gamers are the worst people? would you still defend them as well, or do you only defend this guy cause you liked fez?

jeffrobin
jeffrobin

Watching that movie I kept on thinking where is that guys support, where was the Microsoft developer support? A lot may have been deleted from the movie but I really hope those guys got a lot of help because I didn't see much in the movie. Microsoft get behind the indie devs, support and nurture them. You've bought in self publishing now improve your dev support.

badlad042k
badlad042k

"Come back, Phil," concluded Bleszinski. "We miss you already. Maybe I’ll be right behind you, returning with Adamantium skin."

When did Cliffy B stop making games lol? Come back, I love Gears Of War!! On point, never played Fez.......any good?

blue_shift_91
blue_shift_91

dude, fuck this guy. this whiny, tantrum throwing game developer makes every bid to call attention to himself, complains about the manner of that given attention, and then throws another tantrum announcing his rage quit.

we're all adults here. if he wants to opt out, i don't see why anyone should hold his hand and convince him otherwise.

zaxrider
zaxrider

At first, I hated the idea of connecting everything to Facebook account, verifying via phone number and whatnot, and being able to comment only with that but nowadays, I begin to support that more and more. I wonder how many of the internet tough guys would be willing to sign their actual name below their statements online...

erebus-commando
erebus-commando

You can tell most people here have no idea how hard it is to make a videogame, let alone  a good one. I support creators and even if they are excentric no one should have to go through the amount of vitriol and idiocy that seems to be so ingrained in the gamer community.

I consider myself a singleplayer gamer, I could never get into online gaming because of the sheer brutality and stupidity of the people that jump online (not everyone, just mostly). Some of the comments I read in gamespot and ign are borderlne nauseating, fortunately there are still some sane and critical people but I see that they are sadly few.

Respect the devs and they will give you great games, It's not that difficult to understand. Too often I hear the expression grow a pair, to this I answer, grow a sense of respect and stop trying to justify your idiotic behaviour, so much entitlement.

Tiwill44
Tiwill44

All he did was attract drama and then cause even more drama by being completely immature about it. I doubt he'll come back after pretty much saying "fuck the gaming industry". His ego is way too big for that.

Maverick6585
Maverick6585

Even though I'm not a huge indie game player, I admire and respect what they do and the commitment they put into their work. The idea that people would bash on an artistic and clever game like Fez is just stupid. Games like these show how the industry has evolved from simple minded shooters like CoD and GTA. That being said, people who reject creative story lines and art in games show how little some have evolved, and how dearly they cling to blowing peoples' heads off for the hell of it.

UdderJuice
UdderJuice

@thermalcold I don't know about dumb, but we can clearly see now who is a jealous anonymous loser.

Gwoolhurme
Gwoolhurme

@stan_boyd I think I defend indies a bit more than I would a large company as the support circle is a lot smaller, that said a lot of the hate and negativity is largely unwarranted towards big developers. I can recently think of the Black Ops developer death threats.  Bottom line is baseless 'bashing' does nothing but upset all parties involved.

obsequies
obsequies

@stan_boyd I think actions are more important than words. People follow the EA and fish hating bandwagon but both are for completely different reasons. EA for their actions and fish for being vocal. The reality is that phil can be anonymous and still make games. I think he's just being vocal again. I don't think he'll quit, if its under a different name then its a different name. 

deon99
deon99

@badlad042k He's been gone  about a year and no one cares.They even made another gears game.As of late he's just been trying to be  controversial by backing the wrong side of public  arguments.

But who knows maybe he really does have  some feelings for this guy.his wife should be on the look out for cliffy on the down low.

jeffrobin
jeffrobin

@badlad042k Yeah it is, no violence and a lot of platforming and difficult puzzles. If that doesn't put you off you'll have a blast

obsequies
obsequies

@badlad042k ya it's good. Don't expect it to cost 60 bucks though.

stan_boyd
stan_boyd

@zaxrider i've been using my real name the whole time i been on this site

stan_boyd
stan_boyd

@erebus-commando so respect the devs even when they don't respect the gamers. oh EA I love you please keep treating us like bank accounts, oh Blizzard I love you can't wait for your next game to force me to be online while playing single player. oh phil fish keep calling us names cause we bought your game on sale.

stan_boyd
stan_boyd

@Maverick6585 its not the game he was bashed for, it was his egotistical arrogant attitude he showed at conventions and twitter.

thermalcold
thermalcold

@UdderJuice @thermalcold I am jealous? ha ha haha ha What exactly of any significance of him would be jealous of? A guy who cannot go by a real name and cannot properly compose sentences is not something I am jealous of.

zackcurl
zackcurl

@Gwoolhurme @stan_boyd i agree.  unfortunately, even this place is way too negative pretty often.  i don't understand why the general consensus is that you have to be hurtful to get your point across, or that the only way to show people you are serious and know more than them is to insult each other.  we all really love videogames here, but they are only videogames; and though they may be part of our careers or lives, what is the point if all they do is make people angry and horrible to each other?

Deugar
Deugar

@stan_boyd I think you just mistook the developer for the publisher. The decision to make identical clones of Call of Duty and force micro transactions into every game, is made with the higher ups. It's true that the developers sometimes go on camera and say "This is an intentional design decision", but it's far more plausible that they've been forced into it, because the publisher demanded it.

And when such a game then turns out to be a disappointment, is it really any surprise? Who can feel passionate about developing a cash grab? Who can stay original, when copying the same formula is not just expected, but downright demanded?

Don't get me wrong, there are bad developers out there, but trends like Call of Duty clones exist because publishers are afraid of making risky investments, and micro transactions are just another way for them to monetize video games.

I think it's the publishers we should be angry with, not the developers themselves. It's makes me more than a little sick to think of all the crap that developers have to take from people on the internet.

That being said, I really don't think that there's been enough information on this whole Beer-Fish-twitter thing for me to form any kind of meaningful opinion on the subject. I kinda wish other people would feel the same way.

erebus-commando
erebus-commando

@stan_boyd Stan EA is a publisher not a dev, they just publish the games and attach their cuestionable business practices to the product. Blizzard is part of activision and the draconian DRM was a really bad move so in that account you are right. Phil Fish has lashed out against the community but I don't blame him, He's an independent developer that made a fantastic product and still he's getting backlash from the toxic behaviour of this community. His way of dealing with issues might not have been the best but a lot of the people that are so quick to spew their vitriol would break before the onslaught as well, I'am sure of that.

People judge this guy based on some flaws he's showed on twitter and a movie.

Also when i said respect the devs I had CDProjekt Dev in mind, you assume a lot with that sarcastic answer.

stan_boyd
stan_boyd

@Deugar @stan_boyd the beer fish thing is stupid, they both just slung a bunch of insults at each other, I hate fish because of his arrogant attitude that he took at a convention towards japanese games where I saw an inspired indie dev get his heart crushed by phil fish, and when he said that people who buy his game on sale are cheap and then he went on a tirade about how he should be charging gamers 90 dollars for fez. Guy has an ego problem, quick to criticize others and then when people criticize him he throws a tantrum.

BovineDivine
BovineDivine

@erebus-commando @stan_boyd To be clear, much of the backlash towards Mr. Fish was a result of his statements, statements that he chose to make on a public forum. A percentage of the disdain towards him is warranted, I feel.

But as far as supporting the developer I completely agree. I created a Fibonacci Sequence in C, it took me hours of playing with the code to get the output correct. Compare such a trivial challenge to that of creating a game. Art, sound, design, programming... Boggles the mind how indie devs can pull it together.