Bungie Surprised By Criticisms That Destiny Is Too Small

"If I'm honest with you, it blew my mind, because it's the biggest game we've ever made," director of production says.

When the Destiny beta went live last month, some fans immediately criticized developer Bungie over the fact that every planet will only have one location to explore. The studio quickly responded to these concerns, saying these locations will have a deep scope and breadth of activities, and could even get larger over time through add-on content. Now, Bungie has commented again on the debate over Bungie's size.

Bungie director of production Jonty Barnes tells Eurogamer, "If I'm honest with you, it blew my mind, because it's the biggest game we've ever made. I don't think people understand the depth and amount of gameplay there is in Destiny." He added that people were basing their opinions on the beta version of Destiny, which represents just a slice of what the full game has to offer. "I don't understand how people could have that concern when you think about that and all the different planets we're going to open up and the gameplay we've got there," he said.

Barnes said he's not losing sleep over the concerns, however, because he knows just how massively larger Destiny is than anything Bungie has ever made before. "I honestly believe Destiny is a huge game," he said. "I can tell you that through blood and sweat as well. It's been a huge game and undertaking for us. Compared to anything we've done before, if you're going to do a comparison, you're laughing, honestly."

Destiny launches September 9 for Xbox 360, Xbox One, PlayStation 3, and PlayStation 4. Though publisher Activision says PC is a "natural fit," the game is not confirmed for computers. For more on Destiny, which is the most preordered new IP in GameStop's history, check out GameSpot's previous coverage.

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Kunarick
Kunarick

The Barrens seemed bigger than Destiny...

kalibore
kalibore

Bungie Surprised By Criticisms That Destiny Is Too Small "If I'm honest with you, it blew my mind'

And the ability to actually look like you're believing your own statements like this ladies and gentleman, it why you do not work in PR for massive companies with stupid salaries

rycast
rycast

Bungie, get real. The game is NOT open world. Compare it to a game like GTA V, where you can go and "touch" anything you see, and Destiny is just a joke. Most of the cool-looking areas are 2D backdrops. Seriously? And the story is absolutely pathetic. It. Sucks. So. Hard. There is no story, honestly - at least not one that makes any sense. There's a big ball thing called "The Traveler" and there's "The Darkness" that is evil and you are "The Chosen One" or some crap, and all of this is told to you by an annoying flying robot that SUCKS AT ACTING. If this game is truly the most expensive game ever made, WHERE DID ALL THE MONEY GO?! I can play an open-world game like GTA V with all of its mini-games, music, huge open areas, tons of cars, planes, motorcycles, guns, people, stories, stories, STORIES, and totally understand that it cost a lot to make. But Destiny? What, did it cost a lot of money to make randomly colored guns? I don't care if the story is simple, by the way, but it needs to have substance and be intriguing like Halo's was. Destiny lacks a soul, it's like a soul-less boring pit of boredom surrounded by money that no-one is using for anything useful at all. And at the center of the pit is that dumb robot flying thing delivering cringe-worthy lines every second. Dammit.

hexadecimal255
hexadecimal255

Just did all of the so called story. thing is i like the game. 


I don't like going through the same bits of map again and again and again. 

I don't like the fact that your player at the tower still clips through solid objects.

I don't like that shaders make you look like a unicorn has done a technicoloured yawn on you. 

I don't like the fact that as an rpg they have explained nearly nothing. 

I don't like the fact they've advertised as an mmo when i've done most missions on my own.

I don't like the fact that I can have a gun on most games that i have played that will do the job of  the scout rifle, pulse rifle and auto rifle with the flick of a switch. 

I don't like rockets on hyperdrive ships in a world with limited resources.

I don't like the post level twenty level by luck system.

I don't like the stupid tactical decision not to equip EVERY sparrow with some sort of offensive capability.

I don't like the load time to wait for a load screen.

I dont like that i have a ship that i won't see the inside of.


But oddly i like the game? Yeah sounds silly now I'm reading it.

greatnuke
greatnuke

Biggest game they ever made??? i don't know the company but the game is small and doesn't have that much in the way of customisation.

feleas
feleas

How many times can one say, "huge" to try and rub in a point? It's like the whole NFL incident where the conference they all kept saying, "doing it right." haha

Also, if he says the game is so huge, and don't get me wrong I still enjoy playing the game, then why did the story line seem so....... empty?

himoura32
himoura32

Barnes is in denial. Destiny is one of the worst games I have ever played. The campaign was painfully short and devoid of story and there are only 4 levels. The entire game is instanced so you never run into more than and handful of other players on any given level. There are only three classes and each class only gets one ability with two specs for each class that are basically the same just buff vs dd. you have to grind the second spec from scratch so I didn't even bother. Not rewarding enough for all the work.

Even mentioning the word MMOrpg when referring to this game is a joke because it's nothing like an MMOrpg. Cod ghosts was way better than this. You had 50 perks, what 15 strike packages? Field packages that allowed you to become Michael Meyers or the predator and a ton of weapons with different attachments.

Destiny is a joke. I feel like I got swindled for buying the $90 edition. I beat the game, got bored and quit. I keep trying to play the multi but it's insanely unbalanced which is mindboggling to me considering there are only 3 classes each with one ability. I would have to do patrol missions all day for weeks to get my gear or grind the same mobs over and over. Wow has so many abilities you have to write your own macros to even have enough buttons for all of them. This game is a joke.

If I could return this game I would.

Csdabest89
Csdabest89

If you never played an MMO destiny will be fun. If you have you will realize the gameplay and mechanics are very polished and well done. But you will also know that destiny didnt really do anything that major. Not to mention how are you going to have a 10 year game with NO STORY and the Blandest Lore. 3rd person aspects isnt unfamiliar to fps seeing as Halo reach done if first. And outside of that there isnt that much originality to this game, those saying omg stop complaining its fun are most likely sony fanboys because theh know they dont have much else to look forward to o  their console because sony is GUSHING OUT MONEY. They are past the bleeding point. They need to becareful before they start cutting into PS4 sales. Because soon they probably wont be able to afford exclsuives seeing as they are already losing them. They are clinging to xmen and spider man as besr they can.  When people get bored of looting a boring story the game will loose interest and people will stop playing as much. Try the multiplayer see how unbalanced it is with the matchmaking and get spanked by people who dedicated their lives to it. Unbalance multiplayer + boring story= loss of interest real quick.

ristactionjakso
ristactionjakso

It's a very fun game. But lets get real. It's really repetitive going through the same environments over and over and over a hundred times. That's really the only main complaint I have with the game. But in turn, makes the game feel like it has little to offer. It has lots to offer on paper, but really repetitive to play.

Still a good game tho.

charlesswann
charlesswann

It is soooooo cool to crap on Destiny isn't.  Let just pretend it isn't a fun game.

schu
schu

PR fail good lord....

Garagorn888
Garagorn888

Biggest game they've ever made... right... bigger than... linear shooter games.


Strange comparison. If they're going to be comparing the size of Destiny's world to anything else, they should at least compare it to another open-world game. Bungie hasn't got many big games to compare to.


Though I still personally don't think the size of the world really matters; Skyrim's massive but it's lacking in content so size clearly isn't that important.

sammoth
sammoth

Hey jack@ss we based it on what we have played. How long do you think it takes to finish the damn game.

Bread_or_Decide
Bread_or_Decide

Okay biggest game...but Halo was pretty damn small. 5 hour campaigns is not tough to beat. 

gledr
gledr

Yah the loading screen where you look at your ship is gay plus it's so long and you need it even as a map. Plus the glitches where if you were in the air shooting it would miss or the damage delay and you can't shoot and jetpacks at the same time. Plus seems to much like borderlands didn't fulfill the hype. Plus 6 vs 6 go 10 vs 10 or more online it seems like activision put their money on cod advanced warfare that looks like the combat I thought destiny was gonna be. Just saying there are next gen games like cod and shadow of mordor battlefield hardline, and then imitators with no air combat lobby's and the same everything, fora horizon 2 has no lobbies that's innovation worthy of next gen

sportwarrior
sportwarrior

The biggest disappointment from my perspective is that there wouldn't be any free flight between planets. What was supposed to be a huge galaxy spanning game with a ton of scope turned into something a little more standard, with nothing more than glorified load screens between planets. From what I'm hearing in the BETA, it still sounds like something I'd enjoy... just not something I'd enjoy as much as I could have had the game been as scope as we'd hoped...

SpicaAntares
SpicaAntares

Best thing to do is sit on the fence, keep the money in your pocket, wait until the game comes out, wait a few weeks to read reviews and more comments, then decide what to do. It has been my policy for some time and it always served me well. Most of the things bought under the impulse of the moment is something we come to regret.

hollywood1
hollywood1

Was disappointed with the BETA for about the 1st hour then it became the greatest game I've played in years. SO addicting. Can't wait to blast past the cap they had on level 8 and do some serious looting and leveling. It was so much fun to jump in with your mates and go on a mission together. 

toadface123
toadface123

Playing the beta was a let down. We got access to the largest map and it took like 5-10 mins to cross it. It is F***ing tiny.

jpsaply
jpsaply

The mission portions seem to be the right size, but the PvP maps were too small. Its still fun, just hope the PvP maps that were not in beta yet are a bit bigger. 

Jock9
Jock9

Seriously I don't mind, I never got to try the Beta, so as long as the world is big enough for me to put in 100+ hours then I'm sweet and happy. 


I don't  get why anyone is bloody moaning about it, what's next? People complain that The Witcher 3 or Dragon Age: Inquisition is too small, because they are big worlds to explore just like Destiny is.

Gatchan2
Gatchan2

Not as big as No Mans Sky


Sorry, but I'd rather actually fly to planets then see a damn loading screen, and actually explore huge worlds instead of closed off arena hubs..

bubba_1988
bubba_1988

Criticism in the gaming community? This must be a first . . . .

exiledknight88
exiledknight88

Space-shooter Destiny will get daily updates making it the biggest game EVER!


And it means the Destiny you get out of the box will end up being massively bigger within weeks.


People are too quick to judge, over the time of its life Destiny will be huge and full of gameplay features and areas to explore.

fallout25
fallout25

Oh great another heavily over emphasized shooter! 

Open worlds and flashy graphics are NOT going to make shooters any better then the crap they are.  Games like Skyrim have lasting appeal, they even have a regular show every week about the top 5 mods of the week for crying out loud. When are devs going to adopt Bethesda's model success? We need more games like Mass Effect/Fallout/Skyrim and not this Destiny shooter crap(over glorified COD).

drago589
drago589

the size itsn't the problem, it's the mediocre game play.  It's feels alot like a discount halo/CoD Hybrid. I hope this game will be better than that, but after that beta. . . yikes.

High_Fly
High_Fly

Sunset Overdrive please.

Gankstar_VX84
Gankstar_VX84

the level cap of 20 screamed NO CONTENT to me. has nothing to do with not wanting a grind, it's because there's no new content to support it so might aswel just do lvl one on lvl 20 difficulty, lol

MrRyubusa
MrRyubusa

@himoura32  Really. One of the WORST games you've ever played. Dont be so melodramatic. Stop comparing destiny to what it just simply isn't. Start accepting it for what it is and try to be delighted about the many things it does do right. If you constantly see holes in things and compare what something inevitably is to what it inevitably isnt, you're just going to see what you don't like. 


Honestly man, you're going to hate most games this industry pumps out if you think these game developers can make perfect games. Destiny isn't wow, it isn't cod ghosts. It's DESTINY. Sure it's not the best game of Q3/Q4, but it's a well crafted piece of artwork that Bungie put hundreds of thousands of collective work hours into. They wrote millions of lines of code, drew thousands of concept art pieces, created thousands of 3D models, somehow weaved it all together so it runs and MUCH MUCH more. The amount of work that goes into creating what's in front of you is FASCINATING. Games are a brilliant conjunction of engineering, art and entertainment, they are a human FEAT. Stop hating the industry that creates products you enjoy, it's a hell of a lot easier to simply accept and try to see SOMETHING good in the games these people put hard work into making, despite any publisher bureaucracy in their inception/release. These are not just games. They are art.

Destiny isn't a 9/10, but it is NOT a bad video game. Just because it doesn't have X feature or this many of that or blah blah blah doesn't make it bad. Think about how the game was made, think about the teams involved, the artistic direction, the time, the money. The industry doesn't crap out games, so you can't crap ON games. Games are a RIDICULOUS human creation, and they cant be perfect, as humans are not perfect. Some constructive criticism is great, but be reasonable man.

xbox1day1
xbox1day1

@charlesswann  not pretending... its fun, but rental fun. not buy for 60 bucks fun and that's without add on. in a month people will have moved on to other titles that are coming out  that's why you need a good story to keep you motivated I mean really in a month you will be tired of just running around shooting aliens for what seems like no good reason

feleas
feleas

@Bread_or_Decide And that's where you got everyone haha. I just wish the story line wasn't so empty though.

theprismhead
theprismhead

@Gatchan2 NMS will become boring really fast. Want good space exploration and much more? Kerbal Space Program.

hollywood1
hollywood1

@Gatchan2 While I'm super stoked to see No Man's Sky when it releases and have been really pleased with all the info they have released so far, I'm still not 100% sold. I HOPE it is as awesome as they have lead us to believe. BUT these 4 dudes are claiming they have created something that no other multi million dollar studio has ever been able to do. Which leads me to think that either they are geniuses which they may be OR they have bitten off more than they can chew and the game will end up being highly repetitive from planet to planet and after the 1st hour or so it'll become boring. I hope it's awesome, I want to play it but I still am not claiming it to be the greatest thing ever like so many others. It could be the "biggest" game world/ sandbox ever but if that world is boring and no fun to play in then whats the point. This is only my opinion before any die hard fanboys start to rage.  

Jock9
Jock9

@Gatchan2 Another game I'm going to try, but remember games started with loading screens and small sections of worlds, or planets to explore like Mass Effect.

naviney
naviney

@exiledknight88 yes ok, everything. but i wonder if all those add-on *coughcutted contentcough* dlc, pardon... and such, not gonna be paid stuff at 2 to 5 bucks each...

chippiez
chippiez

@fallout25 You really haven't seen or played Destiny...  COD, it's not. Plays much closer to Halo. with a combination of Mass Effect planet stylization, BorderLands loot and a robust levelling and skills system.  It's going to be great.

Jock9
Jock9

@fallout25 Well Call of Duty has stayed the same, a liner non-open world to play in and yet they're churning out the same crap again this year with Advanced Warfare.


What the FPS genre needs is what Destiny, Borderlands and other games similar offer - collecting loot, open world and missions to follow solo or with other players.


COD is just what shooters were before 2000, with Half-Life, Soldier of Fortune etc - the only difference is they are classics and COD is not.

zenkid100
zenkid100

@fallout25 Destiny seems like a merge between halo and Mass Effect with some Skyrim in there the beta was really fun.

dementedseptin
dementedseptin

@drago589  Its more like a Halo Sight, Cod Feel and Borderlands Feature. 

The whole control and feel of controls is very fluid and very on step with CoD along with controls and so on. 

It has that Halo style to it from the aspect of your surroundings to movements of your character. 

Destiny has weapons, items and armors set up identical  to what we borderlands, the npcs are pretty much the same thing.

However it is a step further than Borderlands has ever went, I can see this game being big for a few years but it will eventually die because of the volume of content, There could be more classes, twice as many abilities and skills per class, the maps could be twice as big.  In the end when the next generation of consoles comes out, we will probably look forward to a Destiny 2.  The creators will learn from experience and feedback to create the ultimate destiny experience.


This Game does have very high Potential  

Jew1
Jew1

@Gankstar_VX84 yeah 20 lvl cap with about 30 "story/lvl "missions and if you played the beta you know that they take like 5 minutes to complete where most of the time is spent traveling to the actual mission which if a fast travel was implemented or they gave you a cool vehicle other than a cheap slow knock off of the speed bike from star wars then you would complete these missions in no time. I'm just buying this preowned cause we all know it'll take less than a week if not just a few days to hit max lvl and complete these missions then I can return it saying I didn't like the game which is true it was stop short and small despite bungies lies.

himoura32
himoura32

I'm totally being reasonable. Titanfall Devs came out and told us straight up they didn't do a campaign and I was ok with that. I just wanted some honesty. Destiny Devs on the other hand promised us a story that rivaled Star Wars or Lord of the Rings. Talk about hype. They shit themselves in the foot.

I bought the $90 version which probably is why I am being extra critical but considering I think I am fully justified. I was never expecting them to do a story anywhere near as good as Mass Effect but they seemed to think they did lol.

Besides the missions are terrible. Every mission is the same. Upload the ghost and fight wave after wave.

This was supposed to be an "MMO" style game yet there is only one town? really? Have you ever played an MMO with one town before? I sure haven't.

And let's talk multi. 3v3 game variants? Is that a joke? Battlefield is doing 64 player maps on the same console with stunning graphics and bungie thinks 3v3 is a revolution in gaming?

Let's face it they did nothing new at all. It's just a shooter... that's it. They hyped it to hell and back not me dude.

chippiez
chippiez

@hollywood1 There is no way you can make 100% proceduraly-generated worlds that are consistently fun to play.  Polish requires touching the planets and at enough planets, it would take you 5 billion years at 1 second a planet to see them all, that means developers cannot see them either.  So they can't test planets, they can't polish them.  They can't even bug check them.  All they can do is try sample of their algorithms and try to create enough randomization points that can create worlds that are both interesting, varied and fun.  I think it will be a novel concept good for 10-15 hours and then turn pure borefest after that.

Jock9
Jock9

@naviney @exiledknight88 Not the worlds or missions, but they could charge for other things but we'll see. Maybe they'll just charge for a DLC season pass, and that gives us everything for the next year including missions and new planets.

jtb_pred
jtb_pred

@hplessrmantic @High_Fly What??? it's nothing like infamous. 

not even made by the same dev. it's more like saint's row, dead rising, and jet set radio future.

hplessrmantic
hplessrmantic

@jtb_pred @hplessrmantic @High_Fly Really?? The rail grind/attacking animations look very "similar" lol yes i agree it has some saints row in it as well but infamous did well and now xbox wants one to use some of the good pieces.