So you completely dodge my question... awesome.... Microsoft do know tech... you clearly don't...... the ESRAM does not have the ability to generate, shade or apply texture maps.

It can only store the pixels and textures... so it will not add fillrate, ALU or TMU performance.

And you still have not told me where the frame buffer is going to go if you're using the ESRAM for tiled texture resources... Speaking of which where did I say you can't fit 6Gb of textures into ESRAM... That's right... I didn't.....

But answer my question... Where are you going to put the frame buffers if you're using the ESRAM for tiled textures?

@evildead6789:

Because you fool ESRAM is not a ROP, or an TMU or an ALU....It's a slab of memory.... so it can't make up them you complete idiot... and seen as though you're a tech god and keep banging on about these 6Gb worth of titles textures would you mind telling me where the frame buffers would go while the tiled textures are stored in the ESRAM?

@ronvalencia:

You didn't understand my sentence and I know PERFECTLY how competitive the PC market is.

And yet funnily enough over the last couple of years shader based post process AA has become the new trend....

PS4 has a 50% texture mapping advantage, a 50% shader performance advantage and TWICE the fill rate....

ESRAM will NOT make up for any of that, the only way to reduce that performance lead is to increase the clock speeds, which Microsoft have already done.

But as Xbones OS consumes more resources anyway it's hardly dented PS4's performance lead.

That fill rate advantage is why PS4 is hitting 1080p on pretty much everything and sftware, API or hardware hacks will not give Xbone double the fill rate all of a sudden.

You are an idiot....... 7950 might have better performance for now, we'll see how a 7950 stacks up in 12 months time.

And my Battlefiled 4 is just fine at 2560x1440 all Ultra settings with 8xAA.

Mantle is a good leap forward for PC but it's no where near as low level and optimized as a console API so don't compare the 2.

7950+Mantle only shows a few percent of an improvement on the GPU side of things, most of Mantles performance benefit comes from the CPU, but my 5Ghz 3770k doesn't struggle anyway.

I already posted a comment from a developer showing how piss poor small ESRAM is to be of any real benefit to Xbone.

It needed to have 64Mb of it for it to classed as a good advantage.

PS4 has a memory sub-system that is just as quick and multiple factors bigger

Lmao... PS2s EDRAM was not designed to be used as a cache, it was designed to be used as pure VRAM storage.

PC graphics cards don't use ESRAM or EDRAM because it's a stupid fucking idea.

EDRAM/ESRAM on PC = Less die space for ROPS, TMU's and ALU's.....

So if you're sticking 6Gb worth of titles textures in ESRAM where you going to put the frame buffer :|

What you reckon?

PS4 and Xbone using x86 style CPu's and normal GPU's ( Especially in PS4 ) should mean that porting to PC is soooo much easier this time around.

It will make it easier for developers to target as many people as possible.

This could potential reduce the amount of 'console' exclusives this time around.

Good thing or bad?

Waiting for Lemmings to blame the fact the game doesn't use DX12...lmao