@gatsbythepig: Thanks! Yes, I have been a little obsessed over this topic for roughly forever.

Shore in Bill and Ted is wild to think about. I agree, would have killed the magic. It's like Stoltz as McFly, there's just something that would have been missing about it.

Meanwhile, Winter's doc director turn is the best kind of surprise. Dude's really interesting and really smart. Enjoyable follow on social media.

@chubby170: Fair, but I do think Bill and Ted are underestimated haha

@chubby170: You can watch the scene embedded in the article. They clearly understand it. The whole movie is about the fact that Bill and Ted appear dumb but actually aren't that dumb.

@chubby170: It's the finale of the movie. Doc says in 1955 that he refuses to read the letter because nobody should know about their own destiny. Marty then sets the time circuits for 15 minutes earlier than when he left in order to prevent Doc's murder. When he returns to 1985, he arrives in the center of town, but then he's out of gas in the Delorean. He has to run to the mall parking lot where the first experiment took place, getting there at about 1:33 am (as opposed to 1:16 am, the time he arrived at the beginning of the movie). This puts Marty at the mall just as the Libyans show up and shoot Doc -- early enough to watch it happen but not early enough to prevent it. Everything goes down as Marty remembers it, which he observes from a distance. When he goes to check on Doc, he finds that luckily, Doc did read the letter, and wore a bulletproof vest, saving his life.

Now, this version of the situation has the benefit of avoiding paradoxes, since Marty getting to the mall early enough to save Doc might have changed the events that led Marty to going back in time in the first place. But it doesn't change the fact that Marty intended to get back in time to save Doc and failed to do so.

@gatsbythepig: Yeah, I love all these movies and how they address the same ideas in different ways. Primer hits on a great idea -- the time travel double -- that gets skipped over a lot. I love that the tragedy of 12 Monkeys is less that people don't get time travel and more that they all think they're smarter than they are, and then you've got Cole, who's stuck dealing with it. Marty is still an incredible character and the movie is better because he basically never has any idea what he's doing up until the second before he does it. Terminator 1 rips and the franchise is often great even when it gets so confused by its own ideas that it loses the plot - I still think Genisys had interesting potential to reboot the whole thing.

But yeah, a recurring theme throughout the genre is people getting into serious trouble because they didn't stop to think things all the way through, or they didn't realize they were seeing clues about the future as they were approaching it. So it's nice to have a couple guys just knock it out of the park in a hilarious and simple way.

@mogan: Sorry, but yeah IMO. Marty is a great improviser but he never really "gets" time travel -- he lets Doc do the part about understanding the time travel, and when he has to understand it on his own, he kinda blows it. Bill and Ted fundamentally understand time travel in key abstract ways that basically give them hilarious superpowers.

@griddleoctopus: Good shout, got my weird little guys confused. corrected.

@id0ntkn0w7: I believe I said it was a "screaming" baby. But we're not being too serious about this :)

@gamerbum: Can't recommend co-op enough, especially because you play the worlds of whoever is hosting, so you get pretty different experiences just by working through each other's campaigns. I think a lot of people bouncing off Remnant 2 do so because they play alone rather than co-op -- for me, co-op was the entry point, where we got to see cool fights but we didn't get completely stomped, and it kept making me want to go back and find what else was out there either together or alone.

@Pyrosa: Destiny is good actually.