[QUOTE="IronBass"]

Because they are not games. You can't go to a store and buy Broken Steel and then play it. You need the Fallout 3 disc in order to play it.

No matter how worthy you think they are, they are not games.

opex07

Expansions are games, and have always been included in the PC's library of AAEs, and AAAEs.

Well, when an expansion costs 10$ and will give me 10 hours of gameplay, is better for me than a 60$ that most of the time lasts 7-8 hours

Especially GTA4 and Fallout 3 expansions are better than most full games to me

I never thought a thread about multiplats would last this long. And I thought SW didn't give multiplats enough attention :?.IronBass

Well, the best upcoming

JRPG is multipltfrom (FF13)

Aventure is multipltfrom (Alan Wake)

Startegy title is multipltfrom (KUF2)

WRPGs are multipltfrom (Mass Effect 2, Dragon Age, Two Worlds Temptation, Risen)

Action title is multiplatform (Assassin Creed 2)

Shooter titlesare multiplatform (AVP3, Aliens CM)

So, multipltfroms rule the gaming industry if you ask me, and what matters is where you can get them for just 199$ and not 400$+

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="TheNextOrder"]Nintendo actually"said" there will be another Zelda game. I'll let you add Forza if I can add Zelda. Deal?TheNextOrder

Actually noone knows if LP2 will ever come to other systems

BTW the Lionhead and Rareware titles are confirmed 100%, they are announced games

Also the quality of those Wii games is nothing i can put up with, only 1-2 will be worth my time, so even if Wii had a list with 1000 such games would stil not matter, at all

[QUOTE="obamanian"]

[QUOTE="clone01"] so by your logic Super Mario Galaxy got a 9.7, which is .2 better than Fable 2. so there you have it, SMG is the new graphics king.steve17989

That score is in Wii scale, were 9 in visuals means a 5-6 in next gen systems to me

And Fable 2 was is console scale. 9.5 in visuals means 7.5 in PC standards to me.

Then Far Cry 2 on 360/PS3 would have got 10/10 in graphics, yet it got 8/10 and PC got 9/10

Only Wii is so far behind this generation, and on a different scale, consoles run almost all PC games like Mass Effect, fallout 3, FC2etc and they use the same scale on PC and PS3/360

Also Fallout 3 got 9/10 in visuals in both PC and 360, so that means by your logic 360 should have got 11/10 ?

[QUOTE="obamanian"]

[QUOTE="IronBass"] And two of them don't have a name, two are expansions, three are already released (meaning not "upcoming"), and one is a game that probably doesn't exist.TheNextOrder

They are all confirmed games, even i they do not have a name, it will be revealed, it is not like Lionhead and Rare will stop making 360 games or something, these are confirmed titles 100%, in fact both have announced two new titles each in the making officially

Expansions make games bigger, so why not include them ? Fallout 3 Broken Steel may last longer than most full priced games too, same for GTA4 expansion, soif they are bigger than 60$ games, they count double since they come cheaper too

And Star Ocean 4 is nto released in all areas yet

Well, mention them, it is not like they do not exist

[QUOTE="obamanian"]These are all exclusives, none is coming on other consolesIronBass

They are all confirmed games, even i they do not have a name, it will be revealed, it is not like Lionhead and Rare will stop making 360 games or something, these are confirmed titles 100%, in fact both have announced two new titles each in the making officially

Expansions make games bigger, so why not include them ? Fallout 3 Broken Steel may last longer than most full priced games too, same for GTA4 expansion, soif they are bigger than 60$ games, they count double since they come cheaper too

And Star Ocean 4 is nto released in all areas yet

[QUOTE="obamanian"]

Here is the only on 360 ones too (but PC/360 and PS3/360 and PC/360/PS3 games count 10000% too of course in a system lineup, no matter how hard you try to spin it)

1. Mass Effect 2 (360 timed exclusive)
2. Star Ocean 4 (360)
3. Halo Wars (360)
4. Forza 3 (360)
5. Lionhead confirmed title (360)
6. Rareware confirmed title (360)
7. Ninja Blade (360)
8. Magna Carta 2 (360)
9. 2D XBLA RPG (360 XBLA)
10. 99 Nights 2 (360)
11. Halo 3 ODST (360)
12. Lost Planet 2 (360)
13. Fable 2 See the Future (360)
14. GTA4 Lost and Damned (360)
15. Black Legion (360)

Also the above are all good games, while i can only name 2 Wii games that i consider good and will look mediocre visually too

TheNextOrder

I(s it really that hard to find a list of good, upcoming, EXCLUSIVE games?

These are all exclusives, none is coming on other consoles

Here is the only on 360 ones too (but PC/360 and PS3/360 and PC/360/PS3 games count 10000% too of course in a system lineup, no matter how hard you try to spin it)

1. Mass Effect 2 (360 timed exclusive)
2. Star Ocean 4 (360)
3. Halo Wars (360)
4. Forza 3 (360)
5. Lionhead confirmed title (360)
6. Rareware confirmed title (360)
7. Ninja Blade (360)
8. Magna Carta 2 (360)
9. 2D XBLA RPG (360 XBLA)
10. 99 Nights 2 (360)
11. Halo 3 ODST (360)
12. Lost Planet 2 (360)
13. Fable 2 See the Future (360)
14. GTA4 Lost and Damned (360)
15. Black Legion (360)

Also the above are all good games, while i can only name 2 Wii games that i consider good and will look mediocre visually too

I will buy almost all the above games BTW (rent Halo 3, Forza 3, Lost Planet 2)

Games i would not play even if they paid me too

12. Sin and Punishment 2
2. Punch Out!
13. Boom Blox 2
5. The Conduit
6. Red Steel 2
7. Dead Space Extraction

Games i would try with rent (90% not buy)

10. Pikmin 3 (announced at post E3 press conference last year)
1. No More Hero's 2
3. Monster Hunter 3
11. Resident Evil: Darkside Chronicles

Games i would buy

4. Murumasa: Demon Blade
9. Little Kings Story
8. Final Fantasy: The Crystal Bearers

Eh... no. The power difference of both consoles minimal, so there's nothing that could possibly indicate that one console is holding back the other.IronBass

Well, considering the textures used in RE5 on PS3, and even KZ2, i would say PS3 RAM design is the worst limiting factor in console games this generation

They can't even fix the issueit in exclusives, so multipltfroms would take an even bigger hit

If they were made with 360 in mind could look way better

[QUOTE="obamanian"]

[QUOTE="piercetruth34"]

Just to follow up to my previous thread do you think the fact most multiplat developers develop for the 360 and then port to the ps3 holds the ps3 back? IE developing for the lowest common demoninator or do you think the 360 is just easier to develop for and more powerful. I think it's a combination of ease of development and microsofts muscle in the pc market. Not that the hardware is necessarily better. The 360 does have a more powerful gpu and a more traditional architecture but the cell is actually more advanced. It shows in the exclusives and when developers take advantage of it imo.. This is one reason why I don't like Microsoft.

piercetruth34

Actually PS3 holds back 360, with its separted last gen RAM design and the last gen afterthought GPU

but developers are developing 1st for the 360 and then porting so how is the ps3 holding the 360 back?

Actually when a game is planned for all systems, all systems hardware is considered from the start, otherwise the PS3 versions could take another year to port