@livedreamplay: If cheap really matters that much to you, it's amazing how you put up with FIFA's cheap gameplay. But hey, enjoy it if you will. If playing a game that LOOKS like football is what you're after knock yourself out. I'll go for the cheap alternative that plays and feels like football...

Licensed kit excuse only really makes sense if you're playing on XBox. Anyone on PlayStation is just regurgitating an excuse that no longer holds weight due to option files. As far as the number of leagues goes, how many do people play in the first place? Go online and you'll find that everyone plays either with a Spanish, German, English or Italian team. Besides the Bundesliga, the rest PES has. And the Bundesliga can be obtained via option file. So again some of these reasons for not playing PES just really don't make sense but rather come from idiots that act like parrots, repeating what others say. I'm dead certain some haven't even played PES. If they did, probably got put off by the fact that they had to work for goals. But hey, if you want to play an inferior product in terms of gameplay (the most important part of any game) like FIFA just for presentations and kits and whatnot, knock yourselves out. Far be it from me to interfere with stupidity. If someone said to me they avoid PES due to poor online play, I'd completely understand. All in all, PES may not look that good to the eye, it may have awful commentary, presentation may be lacklustre however it excels where it matters. FIFA looks like football but isn't anywhere close to playing like it. Feel free to hate my comment...