[QUOTE="Birdy09"][QUOTE="NEStorianPriest"]

I was beating bothe quests of Zelda with no deaths when I was 11. I can't do that now. I beat all of the Mega Man games when I was growing up but going back and playing Mega Man Zero on the DS gave me some trouble. Most poeple I know that have been gaming for 20+ years are in the same boat. Modern games with all of the cushiness they offer have softened me. I'd like to add that half of the games I own for the PS3 are PC ports. Heavenly Sword was much more challenging than OF Dragon Rising. But again, I understand this sequel is watered down from the original, so grain of salt there.

NEStorianPriest

I had no trouble beating 8 bits games when I was 11, but I find modern games, many of which are also PC games, easy today. I don't that furthers your position. And yes, those old 8 bits games required gobs of practice. I find modern game design to be far less demaning. FPS got big on the PC and most of its desing elements started there. FPS is dominating the industry right now. So when you tell me that FPS games on the PC, even excluding PvPare more challenging, I just don't see it. You are still given plenty of help to keep you alive, or keep you in the game without losing much in the process.

Also, if the real challenge is in multiplayer than it shouldn't amtter if you're playing PC or console, since the skil lof your opponent(s) dicate(s) difficulty. So that brings us back to single player games.

[QUOTE="Tjumph"]Yes, it is vital that this gets updated because the different genres we have are not outdated at all.dakan45

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[QUOTE="Vinegar_Strokes"]

i see way way way more thread hating on DLC for console than i do threads hating on Blizz expansions. but in anycase if the content that on offer appeals to you and you see value into where is the problem.

Vinegar_Strokes

The problem is with the way the new generation just sits back and gets stomped by coorporations and just takes it like little girls. Back in the day when milli vanilli got caught lip syncing it was huge news, they had to have a big press conference to apologize and there musical carrear was over, nowadays every pop artist lip syncs and people just shrug there shoulders "oh well". Justin Beiber lip synced a performance on stage, and that same night was given the award for best new artist and it made me sick to see people just dont care that he faked the performance. The same idea applies here, back in the day if a company tried to charge for content that was already in the game it would have created a huge outrage, nowadays people seem to have your attitude about it. I have seen many a negative comment about SC2's addons, and I bet some of those people bought the "extra" characters that were already in the marvel vs capcom disk, ohwell.

[QUOTE="Tjumph"][QUOTE="NEStorianPriest"]

Counterstrike is a PvP game. What makes it automatically harder than playing a PvP FPS on a console? If anything, a console game should be harder because of the awkward controller, as all PC gamers attest that m/kb is much more precise.

This kind of comment makes me think PC gamers believe their games are harder simply because they are on PC. People are dismissing the difficulty of games like Gradius and Mega Man 2, and trying to convinve me that FPS games on the PC are more difficult. I have a hard time believing anyone who hasa lot of experience playing games from the 8 bit era would make a claim like this.

Take Deadly Towers. This game was a nightmare, from many perspectives, game desing being one of them. However, I beat it when I was 11. I didn't complain that the designers were lazy and stop playing for that reason alone. Despite its flaws, it is still one of the hardest, most unforgiving games ever made. I wish people would stop getting caught up in snobbery and just make fair comparisons.

NEStorianPriest

I'm not talking noob vs veteran, I;m talking how hard is it to finish a game.

Actually, your gaming skills get worse as you get older. Hotz was much younger than a lot of hackers out there and look what he did. There are elementary school kids that can o advanced calculus. Age doesn't have much to do with skill, unless you're talking toddlers.

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[QUOTE="NEStorianPriest"]

Um, a kill? Please dude I didn't just get yanked out of a uterus. I can actually play games. No need to be harsh.

NEStorianPriest

Counterstrike is a PvP game. What makes it automatically harder than playing a PvP FPS on a console? If anything, a console game should be harder because of the awkward controller, as all PC gamers attest that m/kb is much more precise.

This kind of comment makes me think PC gamers believe their games are harder simply because they are on PC. People are dismissing the difficulty of games like Gradius and Mega Man 2, and trying to convinve me that FPS games on the PC are more difficult. I have a hard time believing anyone who hasa lot of experience playing games from the 8 bit era would make a claim like this.

Take Deadly Towers. This game was a nightmare, from many perspectives, game desing being one of them. However, I beat it when I was 11. I didn't complain that the designers were lazy and stop playing for that reason alone. Despite its flaws, it is still one of the hardest, most unforgiving games ever made. I wish people would stop getting caught up in snobbery and just make fair comparisons.