Best graphics by a mile had to be Madden. Surprised it wasn't mentioned.

@abcdefgabcdefgz Your not alone dude. I like to wait for a few quality games to come out so I can get a bundle deal that doesn't include kids games.

Tbh, heads should be rolling at MS over this sh*t. I bet the only reason they reversed this was because their share price fell after E3.

Come January, when they are being outsold by Sony, they will backtrack on the price too.

One word,... embarrassing!!

Man, heads should be rolling at MS for this debacle. They didn't have people inside the company that could have predicted this backlash?

I know companies like to dip their feet in the water to see what the general consensus is with the fans. But this was a belly flop into the deep end.

Got a question,..... so if these consoles are off the shelf tech. I'm right in assuming that high quality games are going to come right away as the devs know how to work the dev kit like PC.

@Jasurim @Teddy_Bear123 These are features that the hardcore gamer isn't interested in,... hey we have a hard on for our controllers. But the casual gamer is different. Disregarding the WiiU, Nintendo have shown the power of the casual gamer on sales. MS are trying to tap into this.

But they'll fail. Because the casual gamer isn't going to pay this money just for high fidelity.

@ecs33 @Teddy_Bear123 @crushbrain But sales of games with Kinnect were hurt due to the lack of Kinnect sales. So MS are doing the obvious thing that is going to encourage devs to embrace Kinnect.

@Jasurim @Teddy_Bear123 But they are features that MS have invested heavy into. Again, just want to clarify, I'm buying a PS4. But I'm just looking at it from both sides.

@crushbrain @Teddy_Bear123 Option of what?

Listen I hate MS, but I was watching a computer TV program, and the pointed out the obvious that MS are giving you more for your dollar. Kinnect, voice recog, etc.

Its the reason Sony can be so easy with their price point.