Notcie something. She talks about video games destroying society and ruining our lives. She claims that the "man-teens" cannot be succsesfull. Yet at the beggining she says that the two men she eavesdropped on, she said were intelligent and flourishing men. But then she goes on to talk about the horrors of the man-teens.

Excuse me, but I believe she just contridicted herself

[QUOTE="m0zart"][QUOTE="Cute_Red_Panda"]

Then everything that exists is art and educational...

Cute_Red_Panda

Not everything that is educational is art. I can look at a natural mountain, and be educated about its process and existence. But that isn't art. It's natural. No man made it. Art is when one or more human beings, i.e. artists, communicate values through a medium. A natural lake doesn't do that, even if it is educational.

Some could argue that God is an artist...

I really dont think it would be wise to drag religion into this..

[QUOTE="Skullaced"]

No thats not true. Not all things are art. Not all things have an educational value.

However, all things have the potential to be art. you forget what art means. art does not have to be a sculpture or painting on the wall. It can be anything. What people see when they view art is relative to themselves, not what the people around you think.

Ive maid it clear that I hate most abstract art and that I believe there is no true value behind it. Apperantly some people do see a meaning to it and therefore consider it art.

You see no meaning to videogames in this sense and therefore believe that they are not art. Also what you define as "art" can have no educational purpose to it.

Cute_Red_Panda

Seems to me you not too sure what art is...

Let me spell it out to you. I said all things are not art. Then I said all things have the potential to be art. What Im saying is if you create something it can be art but depedning on what you do with that creation and how you make it, it may or may not be art. A video game can be art depending on what you do with it and what it involves. It boils down to what you do to make it, or not make it, art.

Im growing tired of talking to you. As I am sure most people are growing tired of listening to you and me as well.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Cute_Red_Panda"]I don't disagree with the potential of it becoming art. What I am disagreeing with is that the status of video gaming today is art. The author of this article is justified to call it immature.Video games are played only for a entertainment purpose.Cute_Red_Panda

Then everything that exists is art and educational...

No thats not true. Not all things are art. Not all things have an educational value.

However, all things have the potential to be art. you forget what art means. art does not have to be a sculpture or painting on the wall. It can be anything. What people see when they view art is relative to themselves, not what the people around you think.

Ive maid it clear that I hate most abstract art and that I believe there is no true value behind it. Apperantly some people do see a meaning to it and therefore consider it art.

You see no meaning to videogames in this sense and therefore believe that they are not art. Also what you define as "art" can have no educational purpose to it.

[QUOTE="Skullaced"]

[QUOTE="Cute_Red_Panda"]

I will agree with you on movies to a certain degree. However, there are University that teaches "film as literature".

Art is educational in itself, hence why it is taught in schools...

Television can be for educational purpose, too. History Channel, Discover Channel, PBS, TLC, and more.

excelR83

Are you aware that youre just going in circles?

Videogames are not intended to have an educational purpose behind them. They can contain morals and teach us values, or degrade those values, just as any book or movie can.

Also art can be completely meaningless. Just look at most pieces of abstract art. I fail to see the message behind a folded metal circle. Also dont call me ignorant and say "you cant appreciate the values of art". I am a fan of art. I enjoy viewing art and seeing the creativity and message behind it. I just think that some art is a piece of garbage.

They can be "intended" for whatever the hell they want. That's the beauty of the medium, you can use it however you want. Do you think Brain Age is not intended to have any educational purpose to it?

Labelling videogames in general as something that's "intended for fun" is short-sighted. I think watching Planet Earth is fun, does that make me wrong?

Just wrong on so many levels.

You obviously don't understand art, either. All art has meaning to the people that created it, and often to people who appreciate that aspect and the work that went into it. Sometimes it's not the finished product, it's the process. You may not think of a folded metal circle as art, but how did he achieve it? "A fan of art" would appreciate the process, even if he doesn't like the work that comes out of it. Nobody says you have to like it.

I never said that videogames cannot have any educational purpose. I said that that is normally a secondary objective. Most games aspire to be an enjoyable experince to the player. This can be acomplished in a variety of ways, but most often it will do this by simply making a game that is fun to play. It does not have to be educational or mature on any level for it to sell. this logic can be applied to almost all things that are ment to produce a profit.

Also, the process for folding a large metal circle? I dont know what it is, but I imagine its as simple as it sounds. I dont care how long it takes to make the art, it can be as short as a day to many years. I judge the art based on what it is saying to those who view it. what message it has. What i can see from it, how I can view what its purpose is. Tell me the meaning of a folded metal circle. Please, tell me what strong and powerfull messsage it can possibly imploy. I know its message. The message behind almost all abstract art is "I found a way to make money by making stupid pieces of so called "art" that idiots view and think that they have some deep and powerfull mesage. Then I walk away with bag bags of cash from selling my art to some rich idiot for a large sum."

I will agree with you on movies to a certain degree. However, there are University that teaches "film as literature".

Art is educational in itself, hence why it is taught in schools...

Television can be for educational purpose, too. History Channel, Discover Channel, PBS, TLC, and more.

Cute_Red_Panda

Are you aware that youre just going in circles?

Videogames are not intended to have an educational purpose behind them. They can contain morals and teach us values, or degrade those values, just as any book or movie can.

Also art can be completely meaningless. Just look at most pieces of abstract art. I fail to see the message behind a folded metal circle. Also dont call me ignorant and say "you cant appreciate the values of art". I am a fan of art. I enjoy viewing art and seeing the creativity and message behind it. I just think that some art is a piece of garbage.

[QUOTE="Skullaced"]

The coment you made seems to be coverd in ignorance. I hate it when people say a videogame cant be taken seriously. When a video game cant have depth and be mature. Which is why videogames cant be considerd an artform. People cant see how a videogame cant be just as deep and creative as any book or movie.

Like Mass Effect. If it had not been for the fantastic story in that game, it would have done alot worse than it did. But then the media branded it as a sex simulator.

Videogames can be as mature as any book. They can also be immature, just like a book can.

Cute_Red_Panda

Sure, they CAN be...

Yes, they can be.

However, in the post i quoted earlier you stated that video games are immature. They have no values of responsibility or maturity. Based off of what you said in that post, you don't believe that video games can be mature. So what you just said to diminish the meaning of my post has no effect and merely discredits you further.