Saints Row lacked substance, and the lack of an open-ending almost drove me to throw the game out the window. GTAIV has a narrow road to walk since there games usually get very close to being to ridiculous, so we'll see if they hit gold again for the 1000th time or will they walk the shame with other games like fable, promising the world and delivering a mediocre game. but knowing the track record of rockstar show's that they'll deliver something great.