Well Steve Vai has some amazing stuff...and if you want emotion listen to Lotus Feet by him, there is a live video on youtube of it, just search for Lotus Feet if you're interested (the link button thing doesnt work for me haha).
[QUOTE="maheo30"]Science is things we can observe, test and know. You haven't given me science you've given me belief. And Dhyce, they believe the earth is billions of years old. They haven't in any way proven things evolved over billions of years. They give the turtles arguement or the texas salamander which in the end are still the same kind of animal. That's not macro but micro and you know it. I've seen nothing but the same rehashed arguements. You are more than welcome to believe what you want. But just because they believe it to be true doesn't make it science. That is religion or faith. I believe God created the heavens and the earth. That is religion. You say I evolved from a rock, monkey, or soup or whatever specific THEORY you hold to. That is religion not faith. Why is it when I say in the beginning God it is religion. But when you say in the beginning evolution it is science? They are both beliefs. Def_Jef88
You apparently don't have any knowledge of science as a whole so I wont go any further. My typing will fall on dumb ears...
Yeah I think I am just going to leave this thread...because all I have been doing is arguing with jim_shorts over stupid stuff, and nobody on either side is listening to the other.
[QUOTE="LoveStaindRed"][I didnt recognize I had other posts of that nature...my bad. If thats the way I come across then Im sorry, there is just so much stuff "teh creationists" beleive and say that it makes me display a pretty critical or condescending tone or something...jim_shorts
Your posts have an overall "I'm smarter than you" tone. It's all based on one issue is the part that makes me mad. You believe in evolution, so therefore you're smarter than me? It doesn't work that way.
I dont think I said that...and I know I never implied it, stop taking so much offense man....maybe you are starting to doubt yourself, making all these accusations and assumptions, are you starting to think..."omg what my parents have told me since im born might be wrong?"
I almost said that, but then I said, "oh they will be able to infer that from what I said"...apparently I was wrong.
jim_shorts
Do me a favor and drop the "Creationist are teh stoopid" crap. I have every bit as much intellectual ability as you do.
That "they" was meant to be a collective they for everyone who would read my post...sorry you took it the wrong way buddy.
I just thought that was what you meant based on your other posts of the same nature.
I didnt recognize I had other posts of that nature...my bad. If thats the way I come across then Im sorry, there is just so much stuff "teh creationists" beleive and say that it makes me display a pretty critical or condescending tone or something...
[QUOTE="maheo30"]You want to prove evolution? You flip a coin and get it to land on heads 150 times in a row and I'll believe in evolution. Until then I'll stick with the more logical approach. Jesus Christ! wemhim
Yes! Because the christian(And it's sub religions) are the only possible explanations for creationism. No way was it a different god than what you're told, no way.
Yeah thats something else I dont get...how come the christian god is the only right one? Just because it was the one forced on people throughout the world? Is that why? Because if this is true...that would mean a LOT of people are going to hell for worshipping a false god.
the guy wont answer any of our questions because he cant, he has based his life on what his parents told him and book that was wrote by a bunch of people at different times and then the church didnt let anything else get in(like if a women wanted to add something).
plz!! do u understand how evolution works! do u understand mutations? no? .....i thought so
jim_shorts
I must admit that he isn't making this debate any easier for me.
Thats probably because it is no longer a debate....Evolution is generally excepted throughout the world as a fact, evolution isnt the beleif we evolved from monkeys, it is a theory, like gravity and why the earth rotates.
That just doesn't ring true for about 4 billion people.
Actually a lot of religous people do beleive evolution occurs nowadays...it is just stubborn ones who want to beleive in some lame book written by different people in different times instead, because they think they will go to h3ll if they dont.
[QUOTE="jim_shorts"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"] Correct, most mutations ARE bad. Thats why evolution is such a slow process. Mutations are few and far between, especially the good ones. Def_Jef88
Wouldn't the mutations have to happen on a large scale to affect the entire species?
It happens to a few and then they breed and breed and so on and so forth...thus the whole species eventually has the new genes or whatever it may be that the originals evolved. It doesnt have to be on a large scale to spread thoughout the species.
Yet the ones who weren't mutated breed and breed and breed. They far outnumber the mutated ones and you get nowhere.thats why the genes are spread very slow. The diffuse very thinly among a huge population, which is why it takes time. Also, they ones with the favorable genes will breed more because they have a better chance of living.
I almost said that, but then I said, "oh they will be able to infer that from what I said"...apparently I was wrong.
the guy wont answer any of our questions because he cant, he has based his life on what his parents told him and book that was wrote by a bunch of people at different times and then the church didnt let anything else get in(like if a women wanted to add something).
plz!! do u understand how evolution works! do u understand mutations? no? .....i thought so
jim_shorts
I must admit that he isn't making this debate any easier for me.
Thats probably because it is no longer a debate....Evolution is generally excepted throughout the world as a fact, evolution isnt the beleif we evolved from monkeys, it is a theory, like gravity and why the earth rotates.
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