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#1 Kintaro_Oe_25
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He should stick to his strongpoints. Plumbing.

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I don't think he is actually a plumber
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#2 Kintaro_Oe_25
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That is what I see, not a conspiracy by big game companies to keep us down. Anti-gamer? I disagree. It is pro-money make with minor collateral damage.

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I disagree both with the premise that it is not anti-gamer and that the collateral damage is minor.  For example the DRM in Mass Effect 3 was used to target people modifying their .lua files and the punitive damage was to terminate their entire Origin account including all of the licenses tied to that account.  This means if you're a talented game designer and want to improve the textures for hi-res gaming you can literally be banned from your library of EA games for doing so.

Modding is currently the best way to be spotted in the gaming industry and get a job.  Counter-strike, Team Fortress and Killing Floor are examples of games that started as mods of other games.  If EA and Activision had their way these modders would be criminally charged for being creative.  What this means in the long term is that the gaming industry is now declaring open war on the very developers they need to hire.  This can only end with a decrease in quality of gaming which is both unacceptable collateral damage and anti-gamer.  This is why always-online DRM is an issue with draconian monopolistic companies like Activision and EA. Its not a conspiracy, its big companies doing what they love doing: shutting down competition by any means necessary no matter how detrimental it is to their industry or morally dubious those actions are.

These things work themselves out, so I stand by my "not a big deal" position fully. If the game quality goes down, people will stop buying them and naturally the quality will have to come back up again (like it did after the Atari days). If DRM destroys the industry, then DRM will go away, like it did for most of the music industry. I'm not going to pretend that I'm an insider who know how the game industry does their head hunting, but I do highly doubt that there will ever be a developer drought. Indie games have bigger outlets than ever (and the quality of them is higher than ever), seems to be a better way to get noticed than modding a game that the owners of don't want you to mod. Not to mention that there is no shortage of games where mods are encouraged.
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#3 Kintaro_Oe_25
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I don't understand why people are so riled up about this, like you are all being taken advantage of somehow. 

If you are that pissed then don't buy blizzard products, if enough people feel the same then the problem resolves itself.

But no, you HAVE to play it and then go internet crybaby crazy when it doesn't work exactly the way it should right out of the gate. 

Megotaku77

I don't care personally, but Diablo 3 is already a record breaking success.  There are a lot of anti-player things going on with this always-online DRM that's very concerning since the message has now been sent to the rest of the gaming industry that this kind of DRM is acceptable.  So now if you're a gamer in your college dorm with a shoddy internet connection all your favorite franchises in th future might be always online and you're shut down as a gamer.  There are a lot of other legal ramifications to the always-online DRM and being in the minority means these legal problems can become more widespread if it spreads to other games (and it likely will) and that I can certainly understand being angry about.

A weak analogy is that of Yahtzee over and Zero Punctuation.  He hates cover-based shooters, but every time one comes out its outrageously successful so more and more games come out with cover based shooting and his favorite franchises are now excluding him more and more.  You really don't see why that's frustrating?

 

I can see why it might be frustating in the same way that I couldn't play Everquest as much as I wanted to because I had dial up at the time. Always online games (and with it, DRM) is nothing new, as I'm sure you are well aware. Diablo 3 is just another  one, and as the internet becomes faster, cheaper and even more abundant, more always online games will continue sprout out.

That is what I see, not a conspiracy by big game companies to keep us down. Anti-gamer? I disagree. It is pro-money make with minor collateral damage.

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#4 Kintaro_Oe_25
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I don't understand why people are so riled up about this, like you are all being taken advantage of somehow. 

If you are that pissed then don't buy blizzard products, if enough people feel the same then the problem resolves itself.

But no, you HAVE to play it and then go internet crybaby crazy when it doesn't work exactly the way it should right out of the gate. 

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#5 Kintaro_Oe_25
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The neverhood (GS gave a 4.9, user reviews are over 9), Mario Kart 64..I know there are more fail reviews than these, I can't think of them though.

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#6 Kintaro_Oe_25
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What ever you do don't tell blizz you were hacked, they will indefinitely suspend your account. This happened to my friend, now he can't play.

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Huh? I knew tons of people in WoW who were hacked. They went to Blizzard and got all of their stuff back.
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#7 Kintaro_Oe_25
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[QUOTE="Kintaro_Oe_25"][QUOTE="pspman1997"]

Could'nt help but notice that most of the flash games utilize "energy" once you run out you just don't want to play it anymore also they urge you to buy credits

FelipeInside

I wouldn't call them games, and yes, they all work that way (so do the majority of smart phone "games"). They make it fun and simple enough so any idiot can play and get somewhere, and then once they've got you hooked they put a brick wall in front of you that can only be overcome by either grinding for weeks or spending more money. The sad thing is that it seems to be working.

Why is it sad? It's just a legit strategy to earn money. I think the guys at Zynga are genius, I wish I would have invented that company. They create something addictive and then make you pay for more.... just like a F2P MMO.

Personal taste, great for Zynga's bottom line, bad for me, I think it's sad. I am not going to pay real money for some pretend currency in a game nor should I have to. This is right up there with releasing downloadable content the day a game is released.

I know the FTP model is starting to take hold and people are accepting it, but I hate it. I might be wrong because I don't play those games, but it seems like whoever spends the most real money has the biggest advantage. I'm not going to pretend that it doesn't happen in other games, ala MMO gold buying and D3 aution house, but atleast they aren't shoving it in our face by giving us 1/20th of a product and nickel diming us for everything else.

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#8 Kintaro_Oe_25
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I've seen the gameplay and it seems like it is another sloppily done Blizzard title.

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You can't say something seems overrated because you've seen the gameplay, that makes you a moron. I also was unaware that Blizzard ever released a "sloppily done" title before.

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#9 Kintaro_Oe_25
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Could'nt help but notice that most of the flash games utilize "energy" once you run out you just don't want to play it anymore also they urge you to buy credits

pspman1997
I wouldn't call them games, and yes, they all work that way (so do the majority of smart phone "games"). They make it fun and simple enough so any idiot can play and get somewhere, and then once they've got you hooked they put a brick wall in front of you that can only be overcome by either grinding for weeks or spending more money. The sad thing is that it seems to be working.
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#10 Kintaro_Oe_25
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It's not going to be 30 dollars for like 3+ years probably (if ever).