16% is complete Bull. It has to be nearer the 30 mark, and thats not taking into account the extremely common disc drive failures, single red light issue, constant over heating issues and the fact is eats your feckin discs.

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Well my POS xbox has scratched my PGR4 disc for no effin reason.

Just as i was getting into the online part of it too.

dhjohns

Just as new DLC was released,for free,and it adds 17 new achievements

Is the 17 new achievements a joke? Just curious as I know 2 new dl packs were released but not about the achievements.

No joke, achievements are there, new online game modes etc. but alas my discs scratched.

Well my POS xbox has scratched my PGR4 disc for no effin reason.

Just as i was getting into the online part of it too.

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The PS3 has absolutely horrible frame rates.

niall077

Apart from the replays yes, it runs smooth as silk.

There are ad's for IGN in PES......

PGR3's menu system sucked nuts mate, it was soo unresponsive and tedious to scroll through. PGR3 wasn't even rendered at 720p, it was more like what halo is rendered at, jaggfests.

Saying that though, i haven't gotten to play 4 yet (apart from the demo) because royal mail are a bunch of useless retards. Ofcourse they're going to have backlogs of mail because of thestrike, but not delivering anything at all yesturday then just droppin me a tv lisence and bank statements is not giong to lighten the freakin load is it!?!?!? But from i have played in the demo i think you couldn't be more wrong. (except for not liking the menu's with that being down to taste n all)

I like these threads. Colourful, easy to read and all, but i still can't get past the UR MR GAY thing with the stars.

Combine that with Marios general 'Does my bum look big in this' pose when hesgot his ever-so masculin Bee suit on.....

But hey, atleast its better than what the closet homo Snake does, with all his crotch grabbing and dry humping.