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#1 0Hamburgher
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Okay, so Jesse originally had a monte carlo He drives away in the end in an el camino But what is that lovely red/orange car that Walt has the m60 turret in?

EDIT: it's a '77 Cadillac de ville.

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[QUOTE="0Hamburgher"]If we're talking strictly about the violence, then none of these shows are even close to the most violent.funkadelichika
That's not what's being asked. And I haven't seen all of the shows. Also I put them in separate categories so it's hard to choose one. I can't believe I havent seen any game of thrones yet..Hmm but I guess I would choose The Walking Dead as my favorite with Sons of Anarchy second.

If that's the case then I'd put Br BA> soa > Walking dead. TBH Homeland and GOT I haven't seen, but I don't like fantasy and my friend told me why Homeland went downhill sooooo I'm not interested int Homeland.

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If we're talking strictly about the violence, then none of these shows are even close to the most violent.
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#4 0Hamburgher
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="CountBleck12"]

Maybe if you tried local ones then you would change your mind... if they get some great reviews online.

CountBleck12

It depends. I've had some local that were near divine, and I've had some locals that I wouldn't feed to a starving dog.

Yeah same here actually, I did get pizza from a local place before and it liteally took almost an hour just for one pepperoni pizza and it didn't taste good at all. I never went there again, it's out of business now.

At least with a place like Dominoes or Pizza hut you get more consistency. Guess that's why big chains are popular.
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I don't know about you guys, but I saw the finale again this morning and it's really starting to grow on me to the extent that I want to watch it again tonight. The more I think about it, the more I start to feel that this seemingly happy ending is ultimately a happy ending for Walter. Because I can't really imagine his family or Jesse living the rest of their lives without the emotional and/or physical scars all these events left them with. As far as I can tell, there's a good chance that everything he did in an effort to clean up his own mess and protect his family won't work out as nicely as it may seem at first. And, yet, he dies believing everything's cherry in a moment of admiration for the chemistry.

There was a lot of useful information from Gretchen and Elliot through that interview to Walter, but the last thing he heard before he stopped paying attention and woke up (which is reinforced through the way their dialogue is drowned out immediately with music) was the moment when Gretchen said: "The sweet, kind, brilliant man that we once knew long ago -- he's gone." So for him to hear exactly that at a moment when he realized he really screwed his family over provided what I feel to be a primary motivation in all of this, which is to prove he's capable of doing something good for his family and doing something good for others in general by taking down the empire he started, while also being in a clear state of mind as far as how his family feels about him.

It's funny because I've been reading a lot of recaps and comments and I notice some people thinking Walter has been redeemed by the show. However, I don't really see that and neither do I think it's something Walter seeks for himself because he's no longer hiding the fact that he really liked cooking meth. The main thing he wants is to do something that'll keep things from getting worse than they already are. For that reason, I find it fitting that the cosmic force that once had hellfire rain over him for letting Jane die and cooking meth in the first place is the same cosmic force that's making everything he does work out very well in his favor for wanting to do something about the mess he made.

So to see this clarity and confidence we see in Walter go hand-in-hand with the cosmic force and have things go perfect within the context of an episode that's very silent and muted when contrasted with an episode like "Face Off" really gives me the impression that Walter isn't winning even though he thinks he is -- he's just doing something that might not help a whole lot in the grand scheme of things, especially in regards to his own family and Jesse. That's why I'm starting to find the finale beautifully sad and why I think it's perfect that he's alone, ghost-like in that he can hide in plain sight, and Bigfoot-like in that people are reporting sightings of him. Having that seemingly happy ending to reflect what I think is going on in Walt's head and contrasting that with the scars I believe those around him are going live with pushes the tragedy of it all further.

Because at this point, trying to do something to fix things is almost as much, if not as much, for nothing as cooking meth was in the first place unless it was partially for himself. And this reading of the finale is only based on my belief that things don't go so well for those who live after Walter by the way. I feel that, in a sense, the ending was more ambiguous than it seemed, which is the opposite of how I felt about the ending of The Sopranos, where it was more direct than it seemed. Anyways, that's all I had to say about this for now.

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Yes, I thought this as well. Since the show has always been about cause and effect and covered the consequences of every event for the different characters, it's interesting that you don't see the consequences of what seems to be a happy ending.
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#6 0Hamburgher
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[QUOTE="sammyjenkis898"]

[QUOTE="Mcspanky37"]

Did you even pay attention to the show? Seriously? You DO know why Gus went to the nursery home, right? Why the hell would he go to the nursery home and not go into that specific room? To play bingo?

Mcspanky37

... his entire plan relied on Gus going in that room. He had no idea if Gus would even fall for everything. He had no idea that Gus would believe that Hector went to the DNA. He assumed everything, like he always does. Again, getting Jesse on his side relied on luck more-so than anything else Walt did. Every point regarding that plan was luck.

Have nothing to say about the structure/way the last episode was written? Okay, then.

We already know that Walter knows Gus goes to that nursery home specifically to torment Hector after every increment of his revenge. He knows he would certainly be there because he just achieved the biggest increment of his revenge (finishing off Hector's blood line). Forming a plan based around observation =\= complete luck. You aren't even close on this one. Everything he does in those plans are based on logic or observation. He minimizes the luck factor through planning. Unlike the situation depicted in the last episode - his planning relied completely on luck and no observation or idea of what was going to happen.

And you're comparing Walt eluding a cop who wasn't aware of his presence to that preposterous machine-gun master plan of his? Why? It's not relevant. Breaking into a car isn't some 'grand plan relying on luck', he needs a car to get to where he's going.

You're forgetting the part where Tyrus didn't bother checking the bomb on the back of Hector's chair, the one place where he doesn't check, has a bomb attached to it. What if he did? Gus wouldn't have gone in. Walter would've been screwed then.
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#7 0Hamburgher
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[QUOTE="JustBeYourself"]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-24323934 So says a Saudi cleric. Oh mang.

Before I clicked on the thread I jokingly said "is this coming from a Saudi guy?"
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#8 0Hamburgher
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[QUOTE="JML897"]

If you guys don't understand why Walt's family was upset with Walt then you haven't been paying attention to the entire run of the show.

Hank's been obsessed with finding Heisenberg for the whole series. It completely consumed his life. Now he finds out his brother-in-law was lying to him the whole time and was the ruthless Heisenberg all along. You think Hank's really gonna go "oh since he's my brother-in-law I guess I'll let it slide"? Hellll no.

And as for Walt Jr:

>Walt and Hank meet up in the desert
>Hank ends up dead immediately after he called Marie and told her he arrested Walt

"WHY IS HIS FAMILY ANGRY AT WALT?! He has cancer!"

Are you guys f*cking serious

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I think some people just pay attention to th actiony bits and ignore everything else.

I don't get how they don't just watch Burn Notice or something, that has way more action
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#9 0Hamburgher
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Even though I'm really hyped for this last episode, I must admit that I'm really disappointed with the season. The quality of the writing just seems noticeably more 'rushed' and unconvincing. I'm not really satisfied with the family's reaction to the situation with Walt, particularly Hank's and Walter Jr's. They react to him as if he's a monster, even though he's a family member who's been dying of cancer. Why wasn't anyone even the least curious about why Walt did what he did? Jesse's character has been literally all over the place, and it seems uncharacteristic of him to side with Hank considering their history (and Jesse's immense hatred for him). I just don't see why he thought it would be a good idea to talk to police. From a pacing, tension, and drama standpoint, this season has been a roller-coaster. From a story-telling standpoint, I must admit that it's pretty disappointing. The finale would have to be really amazing for me to be satisfied with BB's buildup, but I'm already keeping my expectations low. There's only so much run-time left, and each episode focuses around a couple of set pieces, so I already feel like they don't have enough run-time to adequately wrap up everything.Mcspanky37
While I don't completely agree, I do agree that sometimes these episodes feel rushed but at the same time tell so little in the time allotted. Certain developments feel rushed; IMO I felt that the execution of Hank's death and Walt Jr. finding out could've been done better. Blood money was sooo slow, and confessions and rabid dog overplayed tension. I felt like Ozymandias was pretty melodramatic, but I thought Granite State was the best episode of 5B, heck, it was a great one. At this point, I don't feel like it's possible to have a mindblowing/polarizing ending nor one that will live up to season 4's ending, but we'll see what happens in the final hour.
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#10 0Hamburgher
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Since some people say that the intention of the final scene was to notify walt that the meth was still in circulation, he's probably going back to kill not just the nazis, but Jesse as well, since he wanted him dead so badly in Ozymandias. It sucks that I won't be able to find out what happens until Monday afternoon; I'll feel so behind :P