What Xbox 360 Games Support 1080p?

all the p does is up the refresh rate, so you get a smother cleaner pic. 1080i to 1080p has the same resolution, its just how much of that pic frame for frame you see, with the 1080i you get half the image every other frame, with 1080p you get the full image every frame.

Lost Planet does, and 1080i is a lot worse than 1080p, and to put it in easy terms, without going into pixel detail, if 720p is the same, if not better than 1080i, what do you think 1080p would do to 1080i?Bluestorm-Kalas

Virtua Tennis 3 is set in 1080p. Other games are upscaled at this time.

command and conquer supports 1080pravinshield

cool, then im gonna redownload that demo to test it out! Any other games? Thanks.

1080I is worse than    720p which isnt as good as   1080p

You get the idear?

probably not, but the best way to go would be 1080 P due to a twice as fast refresh rate, not to mention the gay ass resolution blurs that will accompany the purchase of a 1080I. youll hate it enough, and it will make you sad, :D just to let you know, there is all of the PGR games and a bunch of supportion third party exclusices coming for 1080P support as well, but HD -DVD > Blue Ray. so get the player if you have a good tv

comprede no0b?

Also, pretty graphics (1080P), whether native or up scaled, are useless if the game play sucks. See Virtua Tennis 3.

Whereas, Gears of War upscaled to 1080P,  that's a different story. 

Because I noticed on the games that don't support it, it looks good but it seems to be lacking a bit in the graphics area whereareas games like virtua tennis look great because of 1080p support that the others lack...Oh and if a game supports 1080i how far off is that from 1080p? Since the pixels are the same..Clay544913

The pixels are not the same 1080i is 1366 x 768.   While 1080p is 1920 x 1080.  When you use a VGA cable to hook your 360 up you choose a resolution as opposed to selecting 720p, 1080i, or 1080p.  My 1080i TV will not display the 1920 x 1080 because my TV has 1080i and not 1080p.

The pixels are not the same 1080i is 1366 x 768....

VladTheImpaler

Are you quite sure about that???

I can smell a blagger tryin to look like he knows what he's chattin bout.....

[QUOTE="VladTheImpaler"]

The pixels are not the same 1080i is 1366 x 768....

l34052

Are you quite sure about that???

I can smell a blagger tryin to look like he knows what he's chattin bout.....

1080i and 1080p both have the resultion of 1920x1080.   

[QUOTE="Clay544913"]Because I noticed on the games that don't support it, it looks good but it seems to be lacking a bit in the graphics area whereareas games like virtua tennis look great because of 1080p support that the others lack...Oh and if a game supports 1080i how far off is that from 1080p? Since the pixels are the same..VladTheImpaler

The pixels are not the same 1080i is 1366 x 768. While 1080p is 1920 x 1080. When you use a VGA cable to hook your 360 up you choose a resolution as opposed to selecting 720p, 1080i, or 1080p. My 1080i TV will not display the 1920 x 1080 because my TV has 1080i and not 1080p.

uhh....no.

1080p = 1920x1080
1080i = 1920x1080

the difference is the refresh rate that has already been stated numerous times already in this topic. 

1366x768 is a hybrid resolution between 1080i and 720p.

1080I is worse than 720p which isnt as good as 1080p

You get the idear?

probably not, but the best way to go would be 1080 P due to a twice as fast refresh rate, not to mention the gay ass resolution blurs that will accompany the purchase of a 1080I. youll hate it enough, and it will make you sad, :D just to let you know, there is all of the PGR games and a bunch of supportion third party exclusices coming for 1080P support as well, but HD -DVD > Blue Ray. so get the player if you have a good tv

comprede no0b?

slusheewoot

and what does HD-DVD vs. Blu-ray have to do with 1080p in games?  please remember, HD-DVD doesn't support games.  so really, there is no comparison because one supports games and the other does not. 

Lets get some facts correct here:

1) 1080i and 1080p both have a resolution of 1920 x 1080. The "i" and "p" just represent different transmition and display technologies.

2) There is not really any significant difference between 1080i and 1080p. The only TVs that truely display 1080i are CRTs. A CRT will display 60 half frames every half a second therefore giving you 30 1080 frames a second. 1080P television will take a 1080i 60 frames per a second signal and display it at 1080p 30 frames per second.  Thus only if a game is designed to run at 1080p and 60 fps then will there be any difference at all. Bluray and HDDVD's are encoded at 24 fps thus there is not difference between a 1080i and p signal.

3) Movies are filmed at 24 fps because Thomas Edison determined that the human eye essentially processes images 24 fps. Most humans should not notice any difference at frame rates grater than 24 fps.

4) 1080i signals are slightly blurred by CRTs processing to eliminate interlaced artifacts and to make the picture more film like.

5) 1080i signals might not look as sharp on 720p televisions as 720p signals. This is because 720p tvs must scale the 1080i image to fit the number of pixels of the screen. Whenever additional processing occurs, the picture can be degraded.

6) 720p signals might not look as sharp on 1080p or 1080i televesions as 1080i or p signals. This is because 1080 p or i tvs must scale the image to fit the number of pixels of the screen (or resolution of a CRT since they do not display true pixels).

7) Resolution is only a small portion of image quality according to the ISF. Contrast ratio (for which CRT type televisions are supperior) is considered more important than resolution by the ISF. 

Therefore the following is true:

For a 1080p TV (native resolution): 1080p 60 fps signal > 1080 p 30 fps signal = 1080i signal > 720p signal

For a 1080i TV (CRT TV): 1080i signal > 720p signal

For a 768p TV (native resolution): Either the 1080i signal or the 720p signal could look better

For a 720p TV (native resolution): 720p signal > 1080i signal 

Right, as i mentioned before dont mix refresh rate with frame rate. While for example you can watch a game doing 30fps, or a movie displaying 24 (in the case of BD etc), that doesnt mean the display is refereshing that slow, or even that fast. teebeenz

You are correct most HDTVs have fixed refresh rates at 60 hertz (some plasmas are 72 and some newer lcds are 120 - PAL TVs are 50) which can usually be translated to 60 frames per second (or 30 fps for CRTS). Most TVs have processing such as 3:2 or reverse telecline processing to display 24 fps or 30 fps at 60 hertz refresh rate. In these situations the same frame can be repeated multiple times so that a 60 hertz refresh rate = 60 fps (30 fps for CRT).

When the picture is in motion, progressive scan trumps interlaced whether it's in 720P or 1080P at 24, 30 or 60 fps. A 1080P signal at 30 fps is greater than a 1080i signal at 60 fps because of its progressive scan method of refreshing the screen. Watch a Blu-Ray in 1080P and than in 1080i you'll see the 1080P at 24 fps is a better picture.

Granted, you need a quality HDTV larger than 50" to appreciate the subtle differences. Most people knocking the 1080P thing don't even have a 1080P HDTV let alone 1080P content. So there hands on experience is limited.

When the picture is in motion, progressive scan trumps interlaced whether it's in 720P or 1080P at 24, 30 or 60 fps. A 1080P signal at 30 fps is greater than a 1080i signal at 60 fps because of its progressive scan method of refreshing the screen. Watch a Blu-Ray in 1080P and than in 1080i you'll see the 1080P at 24 fps is a better picture.

Granted, you need a quality HDTV larger than 50" to appreciate the subtle differences. Most people knocking the 1080P thing don't even have a 1080P HDTV let alone 1080P content. So there hands on experience is limited.

 

TALISMANJ

When the picture is in motion, progressive scan trumps interlaced whether it's in 720P or 1080P at 24, 30 or 60 fps. A 1080P signal at 30 fps is greater than a 1080i signal at 60 fps because of its progressive scan method of refreshing the screen. Watch a Blu-Ray in 1080P and than in 1080i you'll see the 1080P at 24 fps is a better picture.

Granted, you need a quality HDTV larger than 50" to appreciate the subtle differences. Most people knocking the 1080P thing don't even have a 1080P HDTV let alone 1080P content. So there hands on experience is limited.

 

TALISMANJ

Actually that is not so true. A 1080i source will look better on 1080p and 1080i sets than 720p source any day regardless of the frame rate the source is encoded at because almost twice the information is being displayed to the viewer. Also, on a 1080p television your are never seeing an interlaced image only a progressive image regardless of whether the signal was interlaced or not.

A 1080p source is only better than a 1080i source is if it is at 1080p 60fps and displayed on a 1080p television. As of right now the only 1080p 60 fps sources are videogames and many of those games have a hard time rendering at 60 fps so even that benefit is not much right now. Futhermore only a handful of sources can output at 1080p 24 fps and even fewer display devices can accept a 1080p 24fps signal.

As far as larger TVs benefiting from 1080p vs 1080i that is kind of a myth because one is more likely to notice incorrect deinterlacing of a 1080i signal and or scanlines on a larger television set or a projector. And the size of a television means nothing without considering the viewing distance. You would have the same benefit if you sat only a few feet away form a small 1080p screen.

I know this from first hand experience. A Bluray movie looks no sharper on my father-in-laws 1080p Sony Bravia LCD than on my Sony HDCRT. Movies infact look better on my CRT due to the vastly supperior contrast ratio.

Go to http://www.audioholics.com/. Read and learn.

"We were fortunate enough to be able to do a brief Question and Answer exchange with Leslie Chard, President of HDMI Licensing, LLC to get a better idea of the recent changes to the HDMI spec. In particular we were interested in both the audio and video differences found in HDMI 1.3.

HDMI 1.3 can provide over 450% the resolution of 720p HDTV, and over 225% of 1080p HDTV for greater detail and larger display sizes.

We are increasingly seeing a demand for display panels with a 90Hz refresh rate. We expect this trend to continue, as faster refresh rates create smoother motion and less blurring in motion sequences. This will have an especially significant impact on the gaming market, where we will see not only improved motion sequences, but also faster response times. HDMI 1.3 does not specify an upper limit to frame rates and it is expected that rates as high as 120Hz will be found.

HDMI 1.3 supports 30-bit, 36-bit and 48-bit (RGB or YCbCr 4:4:4) color depths, up from the 24-bit depths in previous versions of the HDMI specification.

• This will enable HDTVs and other displays to go from millions of colors to billions of colors.
  
• Eliminates on-screen color banding, for smooth tonal transitions and subtle gradations between colors (See picture below)
  
• Enables increased contrast ratio
  
• Deep Color displays can represent many times more shades of gray between black and white. At 30-bit pixel depth, a four times improvement would be the minimum, and the typical improvement would be eight times or more. "

Learn anything yet.  

Go to http://www.audioholics.com/. Read and learn.

"We were fortunate enough to be able to do a brief Question and Answer exchange with Leslie Chard, President of HDMI Licensing, LLC to get a better idea of the recent changes to the HDMI spec. In particular we were interested in both the audio and video differences found in HDMI 1.3.

HDMI 1.3 can provide over 450% the resolution of 720p HDTV, and over 225% of 1080p HDTV for greater detail and larger display sizes.

We are increasingly seeing a demand for display panels with a 90Hz refresh rate. We expect this trend to continue, as faster refresh rates create smoother motion and less blurring in motion sequences. This will have an especially significant impact on the gaming market, where we will see not only improved motion sequences, but also faster response times. HDMI 1.3 does not specify an upper limit to frame rates and it is expected that rates as high as 120Hz will be found.

HDMI 1.3 supports 30-bit, 36-bit and 48-bit (RGB or YCbCr 4:4:4) color depths, up from the 24-bit depths in previous versions of the HDMI specification.

• This will enable HDTVs and other displays to go from millions of colors to billions of colors.
  
• Eliminates on-screen color banding, for smooth tonal transitions and subtle gradations between colors (See picture below)
  
• Enables increased contrast ratio
  
• Deep Color displays can represent many times more shades of gray between black and white. At 30-bit pixel depth, a four times improvement would be the minimum, and the typical improvement would be eight times or more. "

Learn anything yet.

TALISMANJ

doesn't really matter since the Elite doesn't support HDMI 1.3 

Burnsniper,

Here's the comment from Kasey Holman, senior director of Corporate Marketing, HDMI Licensing, LLC:

"Consumers should expect to see a number of benefits from integrating HDMI:

HDMI's digital video interface will provide the best quality of the video since there are no loss conversions like analog component.  The difference is especially noticeable at higher resolutions such as 1080p.  Digital video will be sharper than component, and eliminates the softness and ghosting found with component.  Small, high contrast details such as text bring this difference out the most.

With HDMI, the Xbox 360 will automatically deliver the most effective format for the display that it is connected to - eliminating the need for the consumer to scroll through all the format options to guess what looks best.  The XBox 360 can read the Display's EDID to determine the best format automatically (e.g 1080i vs 720p, 16:9 vs 4:3)."

My XBOX 360 Elite automatically displays everything in 1080P on my 2007 Sony 50" SXRD LCD 1080P Full HD HDTV. Henceforth, 1080P 30 fps (Live Arcade games) are better than 1080i 60 fps per MS when it comes to my HDTV.

When you have the proper set up (Quality HDTV, HDMI 1.2 cable, and 1080P content (Scaled or otherwise)) 1080P is your best option until HDMI 1.3 is available w/ 1440P power. I'm assuming your father-in-law is using component cables (Analog signal) just like you.

By the way, Teebeenz, is a TROLL for Sony and the PS3. Check his posts.

[QUOTE="TALISMANJ"]

Go to http://www.audioholics.com/. Read and learn.

"We were fortunate enough to be able to do a brief Question and Answer exchange with Leslie Chard, President of HDMI Licensing, LLC to get a better idea of the recent changes to the HDMI spec. In particular we were interested in both the audio and video differences found in HDMI 1.3.

HDMI 1.3 can provide over 450% the resolution of 720p HDTV, and over 225% of 1080p HDTV for greater detail and larger display sizes.

We are increasingly seeing a demand for display panels with a 90Hz refresh rate. We expect this trend to continue, as faster refresh rates create smoother motion and less blurring in motion sequences. This will have an especially significant impact on the gaming market, where we will see not only improved motion sequences, but also faster response times. HDMI 1.3 does not specify an upper limit to frame rates and it is expected that rates as high as 120Hz will be found.

HDMI 1.3 supports 30-bit, 36-bit and 48-bit (RGB or YCbCr 4:4:4) color depths, up from the 24-bit depths in previous versions of the HDMI specification.

• This will enable HDTVs and other displays to go from millions of colors to billions of colors.
  
• Eliminates on-screen color banding, for smooth tonal transitions and subtle gradations between colors (See picture below)
  
• Enables increased contrast ratio
  
• Deep Color displays can represent many times more shades of gray between black and white. At 30-bit pixel depth, a four times improvement would be the minimum, and the typical improvement would be eight times or more. "

Learn anything yet.

eclipsed4utoo

doesn't really matter since the Elite doesn't support HDMI 1.3 

I know the Elite doesn't support HDMI 1.3. This post was a rebuttal to Burnsniper's comments that there was no difference b/w 1080P & 1080i.

[QUOTE="Clay544913"]Because I noticed on the games that don't support it, it looks good but it seems to be lacking a bit in the graphics area whereareas games like virtua tennis look great because of 1080p support that the others lack...Oh and if a game supports 1080i how far off is that from 1080p? Since the pixels are the same..VladTheImpaler

The pixels are not the same 1080i is 1366 x 768. While 1080p is 1920 x 1080. When you use a VGA cable to hook your 360 up you choose a resolution as opposed to selecting 720p, 1080i, or 1080p. My 1080i TV will not display the 1920 x 1080 because my TV has 1080i and not 1080p.

WTF are you talking about? 1080i is 1920 x 1080 pixels, nub. The only difference is that it's interlaced as oppose to progressive scan.