RE Destroyed by Co-op?

Can the whole Resident Evil franchise be destroyed by this co-op? Honeslty, where does Resident Evil get is uniqueness, its creativity = from the survival horror genre. Adding a friend could do away with that. How can you possibly be scared when its two on 4 and your across the map from the action. I mean like I love Resident Evil because of this horror factor and that factor is GONE from Resident Evil 5. Now its just another shooter you can play with your friend for one day, get all the achievements and stop playing. And why? Because there's no typewriter. That was another thing I LOVED. It made the game difficult. Now if you shoot a dude you are at a checkpoint. Sorry for ranting but I am kind of upset.

The only way that they can POSSIBLY fix this is by doing what I just ranted about. The two players NEED to be separated and NEED to operate (defend themselves) alone. There is absolutely no other way that this game can be scary with two players on the same squad. No other way. Resident Evil 4 wasn't even that scary; it just gave you the feeling that you about to get Merk'd standing up against that wall with 20 dudes and that thing with that bag over its head with a chainsaw in his hand. That was Survival Horror. And at its best.

Do you think Co-op plays that big a factor in the Resident Evil franchise?

RE4 was not survival horror at its best. It was just an awesome game. Besides, there are twice as many enemies in this game than RE4. You're worrying too much.

i always wanted co-op in a resident evil game. this will be awsome!

i think you can still get freaked out with 2 people playing. i did with gears of war against the berserkers

First of all: Residen Evil Zero and Resident Evil Outbreak say hi.

Secondly, I don't understand TC's logic. One person surrounded by hundreds of murderous villagers=scary, but two people surrounded by hundreds of murderous villagers=fun in the sun??

Co-op will help Resident Evil 5, not hurt it.

How many times during RE 0, did each of you say:

WHY ISNT THIS GAME CO-OP!

2 characters, but no co-op?

I nearly pissed myself when I heard RE 5 is co-op.

Imagine resident evil 1 with co-op, you and Barry Burton laying waste to those zombie bastards. TOGETHER

Come on, RE 5 co-op is awesome. You and a friend in a 'zombie' outbreak type thing, fighting together, thats awesome.

Can the whole Resident Evil franchise be destroyed by this co-op? Honeslty, where does Resident Evil get is uniqueness, its creativity = from the survival horror genre. Adding a friend could do away with that. How can you possibly be scared when its two on 4 and your across the map from the action. I mean like I love Resident Evil because of this horror factor and that factor is GONE from Resident Evil 5. Now its just another shooter you can play with your friend for one day, get all the achievements and stop playing. And why? Because there's no typewriter. That was another thing I LOVED. It made the game difficult. Now if you shoot a dude you are at a checkpoint. Sorry for ranting but I am kind of upset.

The only way that they can POSSIBLY fix this is by doing what I just ranted about. The two players NEED to be separated and NEED to operate (defend themselves) alone. There is absolutely no other way that this game can be scary with two players on the same squad. No other way. Resident Evil 4 wasn't even that scary; it just gave you the feeling that you about to get Merk'd standing up against that wall with 20 dudes and that thing with that bag over its head with a chainsaw in his hand. That was Survival Horror. And at its best.

Do you think Co-op plays that big a factor in the Resident Evil franchise?

Gama_Forever

Here's a nice idea, JUST DONT PLAY IT ON CO-OP AND STOP COMPLAINING LIKE A KID!!

Anyway RE was never as scary as Silent Hill or some other games, the way i see it, i'll beat the game by myself then replay it with a friend.

wait, resident evil games are scary???

just bc it scares you, doesnt mean it scares everyone. some ppl just like the action

All the Resident Evils were based on patnerships and teams working together... Finally with the next-gen technology we have now, Capcom can put out a true Resident Evil co-op game.

I love the RE series and adding this feature is going to succeed where Resident Evil Online failed.

I'm looking forward to this. And for those who say Resident Evil was never scary, good for them. Resident Evil WAS considered a Survival Horror game... but with RE4 now it's an action thriller.

What bothers me more than the co-op (which is cool in some respects) is the blatant mainstreaming of the franchise to appeal to fans of RE 4. Most of RE 4's success came from the fact that it was primarily an action game with survival horror mixed in. It made the developers at Capcom feel pressured into delivering a similar game in order to appeal to that same audience, many of whom claim to be RE fans but openly mock the original games in the series. By catering soley to people who's first experience with an RE game was RE 4 they have neglected the true fans.

True RE fans knew that the Ganados, over the shoulder camera, and such were a refreshing change but the core experience of an RE game was a little weak. Now it seems that with RE 5 they have completely detached themselves from a survival horror game in favor of action. The scariest parts of the original RE games (RE 1-3) were not just the zombies (infinitely more frightening than crazed villagers) or the B.O.W.s but choices. Having to choose between taking shotgun with 10 rounds or a magnum with 20 is scary in itself.

Anyone who played RE 1-3 would know that having to make choices on weapons or health added to the "survival" experience as you weren't necessarily sure what creatures or enemies you would have to face. Making a bad decision would make certain areas alot more challenging. Now it seems that ammo, weapons, and health items are forcefed and left in every barrel or dropped from every other enemy. With no apparrent restriction on weapons all decision making has been eliminated from the equation. RE 5 from what we have been shown is now simply an unintelligent action game requiring no other thought process than choosing what enemy to shoot. Now even that choice is dumbed down with the added help of a squad mate. It is not like co-op is revolutionary in an RE game anyway as RE 0 implemented a co-op of sorts. If I wanted a co-op action shooter I would play Gears 2. The developers at Capcom need to know that just because co-op is now a popular mechanic in shooters doesn't mean they should destroy the core foundation of a franchise just to cash in on all the 13 year olds begging their parents for the game.

You do have some interesting points Gama_Forever. I think the first 3 RE games had that horror factor because you didn't know what to expect. Lets remember, Resident Evil was a fresh product. It was a unique game. There weren't many of these horror games out when the first RE game debuted on PS1 and PC. I can see your point, I too am sad to see this horror factor become almost obsolete. I still remember the time in the first Resident Evil where the dog jumps through the window and made me jump big time. I totally wasn't expecting something like that. RE was a fresh product at the time.

However, sooner or later, the Resident Evil series needed to shake things up a bit. It cried out for new gameplay and a moveable camera. With Resident Evil 4, we got exactly that. It replaced the survival/horror gameplay with action. In truth, RE4 is more of an action game than a survival game. You can only go on so long making the same game and not change anything about it. If you keep the same idea with survival horror, I think this series would go stale. We know that Resident Evil couldn't have gone toward a FPS (Resident Evil Survivor anyone? That's all I need to say. Epic Failure). So the series is now more action based. I think Resident Evil did change for the better though. Even though you give up the horror and mystery element, you gain better gameplay and co-op. I think co-op is a nice feature to have. As others have mentioned, you don't HAVE to play co-op. It's just nice to know the feature is there.

This would be a valid topic if this game was actually good at being a "survival horror" game. Don't get me wrong, Resident Evil series is one of the best and this game will blow us away but not for being scary. With this game, co-op only makes gameplay much for fun and social.

Want a horror game? Go play F.E.A.R. It's the closest thing to scary, which is only spine-chilling. Speaking of which, I am looking forward to Project Origin and will be furious if they make THAT co-op.

The co-op doesn't ruin an already ruined series. The fact that this is like 4 ruins it. I don't care what people say to me, RE4 was a dumbed down RE with more action. I enjoyed it but it was a horrible survival horror game but would've made a great action game. They took out everything that was RE. Zombies(don't know how there can be a RE without these), backstory(I'm sure this one won't have any either but the RE series has had some great ones), being scary(this can go back to the definition of survival horror), too much ammo was in 4(in older ones you had to run from zombies sometimes otherwise you would run out of ammo), and puzzles(the ones in 4 were a joke)

So go ahead, flame me for being absolutely right. Noone can fight my statement that RE4 was a dumbed down RE with more action. Well, you can fight it, but you're wrong. Anyone who is a RE fan knows I'm right. Since 5 is looking alot like 4 with more enemies gives me the chills because my favorite game franchise is now speeding away from the survival horror genre. At the very least, they could give us some RE games that are like the older ones. Now, I actually enjoyed 4 more than a couple of the REs but like I said, it was more of an action game and that's not what RE is.

It is agreed that I don't have to play co-op over live, but i still do have to play co-op. Name any game that actually makes two different games = one for the single player and the other for the co-op none. Yes, you are right in the fact that that AI will be the other guy. So now I am stuck with some dumb girl that doesn't shoot at the things that need to get shot at (in my case is good) but whenever she dies I have to start over? Usually in co-op games the single player experience is absolutely mediocre. Like try and play Gears by yourself. Especially on insane.

I love Resident evil and now that they've implemented this new co-op feature I kinda just want them to rename the game. There will be ZERO scariness (word?). Listen I need real terror. At least put some crazy scenes on at night. Really that would be good. I will probably be more scared for the game's success or failure than during the actual game.

I'm glad RE5 has co-op.. and it was never a scary game anyway..Darkslayer16

I don't know where everyone is getting this "if you don't want to play co-op then don't play it" crap. Last time I checked Capcom was not making a separate game for those wanting to play solo. The teammate is AI controlled if you are not playing with a friend which makes things even worse. The blatantly bad AI for both enemies and especially Sheva is what worries me. The enemies are not aggressive so you hardly feel threatened and Sheva is just a burden. In RE 5's current state you have hold Sheva's hand and protect her just like Ashley in RE 4 except now she can shoot a few people which she is hardly effective at.

Co-op hasn't destroyed RE but it sure poured salt on an already open wound. I admit that RE 4 was a great game but it was hardly RE save for the fact that some of the characters were from the RE series and the RE name was slapped on. It is obvious that the developers of RE 5 tried too hard to be like RE 4 and as a result created a game that is even farther away from the survival horror genre and even worse farther from RE. I think the final nail was hammered in the coffin when the developers at Capcom decided to use RE 4 as the new model for RE games.

Sure RE 5 will be successful but it wont be a result of Capcom catering to hardcore fans but by appealing to mainstream gamers and fans who's first RE game was RE 4. For me the series as it used to be is officially dead. Don't get me wrong though, the last thing I want is the same fixed camera angles and the same old locations. I would rather the game just feel like RE again. The game should have challenged the player forcing them to make decisions on ammo and health rather than forcefeeding them items. The fear factor has been destroyed in favor of pure action which is hardly RE. Any true RE fan finds RE's true fear lies in having to run past enemies to save ammo or having to choose one weapon over another. RIP true RE.

I don't know where everyone is getting this "if you don't want to play co-op then don't play it" crap. Last time I checked Capcom was not making a separate game for those wanting to play solo. The teammate is AI controlled if you are not playing with a friend which makes things even worse. The blatantly bad AI for both enemies and especially Sheva is what worries me. The enemies are not aggressive so you hardly feel threatened and Sheva is just a burden. In RE 5's current state you have hold Sheva's hand and protect her just like Ashley in RE 4 except now she can shoot a few people which she is hardly effective at.

Co-op hasn't destroyed RE but it sure poured salt on an already open wound. I admit that RE 4 was a great game but it was hardly RE save for the fact that some of the characters were from the RE series and the RE name was slapped on. It is obvious that the developers of RE 5 tried too hard to be like RE 4 and as a result created a game that is even farther away from the survival horror genre and even worse farther from RE. I think the final nail was hammered in the coffin when the developers at Capcom decided to use RE 4 as the new model for RE games.

Sure RE 5 will be successful but it wont be a result of Capcom catering to hardcore fans but by appealing to mainstream gamers and fans who's first RE game was RE 4. For me the series as it used to be is officially dead. Don't get me wrong though, the last thing I want is the same fixed camera angles and the same old locations. I would rather the game just feel like RE again. The game should have challenged the player forcing them to make decisions on ammo and health rather than forcefeeding them items. The fear factor has been destroyed in favor of pure action which is hardly RE. Any true RE fan finds RE's true fear lies in having to run past enemies to save ammo or having to choose one weapon over another. RIP true RE.

ChevelleFan

true true what really disapointed at e3 is how recycled everything is yeah the engine looks great and they have been using it for all their games but thats all they have been working on if you look close you would have saw that all the enemies had the like 90% of the animations from re4 i hope that this changes since the have plenty of dev time left.

just because it has co-op doesnt mean you have to use it......and RE4 was more about setting tension in the story and making you feel like your about to die at any second, im sure RE5 will be the same way.CardiacKid07

In RE 4 i really never felt any tension or was never even scared it felt like an actionmovie through and through. The only scary part in RE4 was maybe when your in the hospital. Now i think its sad that as graphics get better games are getting less scary i mean RE1 still to this gives me the willies.

[QUOTE="ChevelleFan"]

I don't know where everyone is getting this "if you don't want to play co-op then don't play it" crap. Last time I checked Capcom was not making a separate game for those wanting to play solo. The teammate is AI controlled if you are not playing with a friend which makes things even worse. The blatantly bad AI for both enemies and especially Sheva is what worries me. The enemies are not aggressive so you hardly feel threatened and Sheva is just a burden. In RE 5's current state you have hold Sheva's hand and protect her just like Ashley in RE 4 except now she can shoot a few people which she is hardly effective at.

Co-op hasn't destroyed RE but it sure poured salt on an already open wound. I admit that RE 4 was a great game but it was hardly RE save for the fact that some of the characters were from the RE series and the RE name was slapped on. It is obvious that the developers of RE 5 tried too hard to be like RE 4 and as a result created a game that is even farther away from the survival horror genre and even worse farther from RE. I think the final nail was hammered in the coffin when the developers at Capcom decided to use RE 4 as the new model for RE games.

Sure RE 5 will be successful but it wont be a result of Capcom catering to hardcore fans but by appealing to mainstream gamers and fans who's first RE game was RE 4. For me the series as it used to be is officially dead. Don't get me wrong though, the last thing I want is the same fixed camera angles and the same old locations. I would rather the game just feel like RE again. The game should have challenged the player forcing them to make decisions on ammo and health rather than forcefeeding them items. The fear factor has been destroyed in favor of pure action which is hardly RE. Any true RE fan finds RE's true fear lies in having to run past enemies to save ammo or having to choose one weapon over another. RIP true RE.

Gen007

true true what really disapointed at e3 is how recycled everything is yeah the engine looks great and they have been using it for all their games but thats all they have been working on if you look close you would have saw that all the enemies had the like 90% of the animations from re4 i hope that this changes since the have plenty of dev time left.

Same here. I really hope that the AI ws just dumbed down for E3 as the AI in the pre-E3 footage looked alot tougher and aggressive. I wouldn't mind having all kinds of ammo and health items if the AI was actually a threat. In the E3 footage all the item pickups seemed like overkill. I mean every other villager dropped ammo and almost every barrel had an item but the player hardly ever required those items to make it through the level. I remember in old REs how finding a green herb was a valuable not a thow away item.

Wow, the writer just got bashed like crazy. I UNDERSTAND what you are trying to say. RE 4 lost that sense of loneliness when its just you in a mansion, the fixed camera angles played a big role in this.

RE 4 & 5 will have that over the shoulder crap....which works. It went in a new direction and it works. But yes the RE franchise has LOST its sense of loneliness forever.

Wow, the writer just got bashed like crazy. I UNDERSTAND what you are trying to say. RE 4 lost that sense of loneliness when its just you in a mansion, the fixed camera angles played a big role in this.

RE 4 & 5 will have that over the shoulder crap....which works. It went in a new direction and it works. But yes the RE franchise has LOST its sense of loneliness forever.

CoreoVII

yeah definitely got bashed....dont play co-op HA! how fun is a game when you play with a dumb AI bot really?