I think our beloved HD-DVD is dead.

if not on life support. I have a feeling MS is going to actually have to come out with a Blu-Ray add on sooner that we thought. Lets face it folks, HD-DVD is Bleeding to Death. Not by Visual Quality, but by its small library of Movies compared to Blu-Ray. Do you think MS might start using Blu-ray for their games at sometime as well? black_awpN1

[QUOTE="black_awpN1"]if not on life support. I have a feeling MS is going to actually have to come out with a Blu-Ray add on sooner that we thought. Lets face it folks, HD-DVD is Bleeding to Death. Not by Visual Quality, but by its small library of Movies compared to Blu-Ray. Do you think MS might start using Blu-ray for their games at sometime as well? gatsbythepig

Yea...but isnt HDMI sony as well? I think all this hd dvd and bluray dvd stuff is rediculous. Why is it , consoles cant just stick to being gaming machines? 

[QUOTE="gatsbythepig"][QUOTE="black_awpN1"]if not on life support. I have a feeling MS is going to actually have to come out with a Blu-Ray add on sooner that we thought. Lets face it folks, HD-DVD is Bleeding to Death. Not by Visual Quality, but by its small library of Movies compared to Blu-Ray. Do you think MS might start using Blu-ray for their games at sometime as well? TrustCo1971

Yea...but isnt HDMI sony as well? I think all this hd dvd and bluray dvd stuff is rediculous. Why is it , consoles cant just stick to being gaming machines? 

[QUOTE="black_awpN1"]if not on life support. I have a feeling MS is going to actually have to come out with a Blu-Ray add on sooner that we thought. Lets face it folks, HD-DVD is Bleeding to Death. Not by Visual Quality, but by its small library of Movies compared to Blu-Ray. Do you think MS might start using Blu-ray for their games at sometime as well? gatsbythepig

And Sony PC's come loaded with Windows so your point is?.....Ultimately it's going to come down to which format wins out. If it's blu-ray then we can expect MS to use it at some point or another. I doubt we will see a blu-ray add on for the 360 though. I think we will see disc swapping before we see 360 games on blu-ray this generation.

Windows Vista being an MS product doesn't seem to stop Sony from putting it on their Vaio laptops.  If BD wins the format war, everyone will use it.  For about 3 years, before everything becomes stored on drives and people no longer use discs for movies, simliar to how mp3 players are slaughtering CD players now.  


Then the world ends in 2012 and everyone fails.ClandestineZero

[QUOTE="black_awpN1"]if not on life support. I have a feeling MS is going to actually have to come out with a Blu-Ray add on sooner that we thought. Lets face it folks, HD-DVD is Bleeding to Death. Not by Visual Quality, but by its small library of Movies compared to Blu-Ray. Do you think MS might start using Blu-ray for their games at sometime as well? gatsbythepig

no it's not, sony doesn't own blu-ray, there just a big supporter of it just like almost everybody els. 

Hmmm downloadable content is coming but I dont think it will be prevalent until next generation... ALL consoles right now are disc based with the OPTION to download.... it'll be a nother 5-10 years before people embrace downloadable content.... CDs STILL greatly outsell downloadable music... I have a feeling that this format war will be like the burnable DVD format war... in a year or two all the players will be able to play either blu ray and hddvd, eliminating the need for the consumer to make a decision either way.ajefferism

hd-dvd and blu-ray are both going to die soon enough... downloadable movies are going to end this war before it really begins to involve the mainstream consumer.shotputking

hd-dvd and blu-ray are both going to die soon enough... downloadable movies are going to end this war before it really begins to involve the mainstream consumer.shotputking

[QUOTE="shotputking"]hd-dvd and blu-ray are both going to die soon enough... downloadable movies are going to end this war before it really begins to involve the mainstream consumer.TOSgamer10

[QUOTE="TOSgamer10"][QUOTE="shotputking"]hd-dvd and blu-ray are both going to die soon enough... downloadable movies are going to end this war before it really begins to involve the mainstream consumer.shotputking

What you're saying doesn't apply to the mainstream consumer though. You do realize that some people still use dial-up right? Better yet, you do realize that some people don't have pc's. 

havent LG already made a machine that can play both HD DVD and Blu-Ray.clyde46

It doesn't really matter anyway HDTV is in about 10-15% of households. When HDTV fully takes over CRT in households something better will already be available. MahlerFreak

[QUOTE="MahlerFreak"]It doesn't really matter anyway HDTV is in about 10-15% of households. When HDTV fully takes over CRT in households something better will already be available. codezer0

There is no way that nearly a third of all homes with TVs have HDTVs!   Out of all my friends and family, there is only 1 HDTV, and that is a recent addition!

And as for movies and games being strictly distributed by downloads, won't happen for at least 10 years.  It won't happen until everyone in North America has access to broadband internet.  It will be at the very least 10 years before the required infrastructure could be in place for that.  If it happens any sonner, the companies will be alienating far too many people.  You have to think that there are still many people converting from VHS to DVD yet!  It will be a long time before movies and games become exclusively downloads.

[QUOTE="MahlerFreak"]It doesn't really matter anyway HDTV is in about 10-15% of households. When HDTV fully takes over CRT in households something better will already be available. codezer0

[QUOTE="shotputking"]hd-dvd and blu-ray are both going to die soon enough... downloadable movies are going to end this war before it really begins to involve the mainstream consumer.TOSgamer10

40 Gigs might sound like a lot to you now, but in 10 years, that'll be nothing to download.  Fiber Optics are much faster than current cable speeds. And I don't even know what's coming down the pipeline in the near future, but one thing I'm sure of is that we're nowhere near our maximum capabilities when it comes to download speeds.

10 years ago, 100 Mb files were considered pretty big.

[QUOTE="black_awpN1"]if not on life support. I have a feeling MS is going to actually have to come out with a Blu-Ray add on sooner that we thought. Lets face it folks, HD-DVD is Bleeding to Death. Not by Visual Quality, but by its small library of Movies compared to Blu-Ray. Do you think MS might start using Blu-ray for their games at sometime as well? gatsbythepig

[QUOTE="codezer0"][QUOTE="MahlerFreak"]It doesn't really matter anyway HDTV is in about 10-15% of households. When HDTV fully takes over CRT in households something better will already be available. TOSgamer10

[QUOTE="black_awpN1"]if not on life support. I have a feeling MS is going to actually have to come out with a Blu-Ray add on sooner that we thought. Lets face it folks, HD-DVD is Bleeding to Death. Not by Visual Quality, but by its small library of Movies compared to Blu-Ray. Do you think MS might start using Blu-ray for their games at sometime as well? gatsbythepig

Windows Vista being an MS product doesn't seem to stop Sony from putting it on their Vaio laptops.  If BD wins the format war, everyone will use it.  For about 3 years, before everything becomes stored on drives and people no longer use discs for movies, simliar to how mp3 players are slaughtering CD players now.  


Then the world ends in 2012 and everyone fails.ClandestineZero

I was happy with DVDs. I don't own a Hi-def TV, and niether do most people. So It really doesn't matter at the moment for most of us.

A few quick things: the "30% market share" was a goal when the U.S. Government once again delayed the forced conversion of broadcast television to HDTV in 2007 (delayed multiple times). Most reports show market penetration well below 20% but it will be a few more months before a complete 2007 analysis is released. As for downloadable content replacing physical media, speculation on that point can't even begin until fiber-optic to the home reaches critical mass, which won't be until 2010 at the earliest.

Neither HD-DVD nor Blu-ray can be considered a success at the moment. Despite a modicum of sales increases following the holidays and the introduction of the PS3, sales of software (i.e. movies and such) is a fraction of one percent of the sales of DVD format media. Despite the increased visual and audio quality there just wasn't a demand yet.

For those worried about HD-DVD, there issome concern, though attach rates of software are higher, and prices of players dipping below $300 will likely hit more than a year before Blu-ray can. Neither of these indicators are likely to be helpful in the long run, as initial projections of HD media sales were so overly optimistic to keep both formats on the fringe for at least two years if not forever (as in a better format hitting before either can establish a foothold, relegating both to LaserDisc status).

As an owner of both formats, I'm both irritated and pleased by both. HD-DVD is consistent is excellent visual quality and in feature sets, with some discs actually having more special features than equivilent DVD releases. However, the "combo" DVD/HD-DVD discs are a blight on the format, raising the cost of the media and continuing the "evil" of dual-sided releases. The problem with Blu-ray is the number of non-remastered prints, releases in lower-quality MPEG (as opposed to VC1) and most discs having fewer special features than their DVD counterparts. Newer Blu-ray releases have pulled equal in terms of visual quality but features continue to be an issue.

[QUOTE="gatsbythepig"][QUOTE="black_awpN1"]if not on life support. I have a feeling MS is going to actually have to come out with a Blu-Ray add on sooner that we thought. Lets face it folks, HD-DVD is Bleeding to Death. Not by Visual Quality, but by its small library of Movies compared to Blu-Ray. Do you think MS might start using Blu-ray for their games at sometime as well? madskills6117

And Sony PC's come loaded with Windows so your point is?.....Ultimately it's going to come down to which format wins out. If it's blu-ray then we can expect MS to use it at some point or another. I doubt we will see a blu-ray add on for the 360 though. I think we will see disc swapping before we see 360 games on blu-ray this generation.

exactly

Its a shame, because my friend has a ps3 and a 360 ( I sold my ps3 till metal gear drops) and he watches movies on the 360 with the HD DVD add on instead of his ps3 with blu ray. And couldnt agree with him more, as far as quality goes for HD movies... its not even close... HD DVD has MUCh better picture then Blu ray.kozzy1234

On HD-DVD I own Troy, Casino, Goodfellas, Superman: The Movie, King Kong and Batman Begins and on Blu Ray I own The Departed, American Psycho and Crank. Out of every one of those movies Crank is the best looking one, but it most likely would as it was the only one actually shot in HD. The rest of the "film" based movies hardly look different from one another. Hell I just got The Departed shipped to me on HD-DVD and I'll compare it to the Blu Ray version. I doubt there will be any difference at all.

[QUOTE="shotputking"][QUOTE="TOSgamer10"][QUOTE="shotputking"]hd-dvd and blu-ray are both going to die soon enough... downloadable movies are going to end this war before it really begins to involve the mainstream consumer.madskills6117

What you're saying doesn't apply to the mainstream consumer though. You do realize that some people still use dial-up right? Better yet, you do realize that some people don't have pc's. 

While HD-DVD is just lingering along i don't see Microsoft releasing a blu-ray drive as well,unless they stop selling the hd-dvd one before they release the blu-ray one.

But what on earth are the PR guys going to say to the people who bought the hd-dvd add-on?

They should of never even invented the hd-dvd in the first place imo,what's the point in making a 'next-gen' disk format if it's going to be outdated 2-3 months after it's released? Did Microsoft and Intel think that because it's backed up by them that all the film studious are going to jump for joy and go with hd-dvd?

It's a shame for the current hd-dvd owners. 

hd-dvd and blu-ray are both going to die soon enough... downloadable movies are going to end this war before it really begins to involve the mainstream consumer.shotputking

if not on life support. I have a feeling MS is going to actually have to come out with a Blu-Ray add on sooner that we thought. Lets face it folks, HD-DVD is Bleeding to Death. Not by Visual Quality, but by its small library of Movies compared to Blu-Ray. Do you think MS might start using Blu-ray for their games at sometime as well? black_awpN1

HD-DVD is not dead. Not saying it will win but too early to be dead.

Again as I said before Beta was beating VHS in it's 1st year but who won that? So I think people learned not to declaire something is over this early 

[QUOTE="black_awpN1"]if not on life support. I have a feeling MS is going to actually have to come out with a Blu-Ray add on sooner that we thought. Lets face it folks, HD-DVD is Bleeding to Death. Not by Visual Quality, but by its small library of Movies compared to Blu-Ray. Do you think MS might start using Blu-ray for their games at sometime as well? gatsbythepig

[QUOTE="gatsbythepig"][QUOTE="black_awpN1"]if not on life support. I have a feeling MS is going to actually have to come out with a Blu-Ray add on sooner that we thought. Lets face it folks, HD-DVD is Bleeding to Death. Not by Visual Quality, but by its small library of Movies compared to Blu-Ray. Do you think MS might start using Blu-ray for their games at sometime as well? nonsoville2

Exactly and btw my Sony Vaio came with Windows XP pre-installed into it. Business is Business dude.