Israel and Palestine

Unfortunately I think we have to still back up Israel, although I think we should reduce the amount of money we give them.  All this money does is fuel the war between the two.

If this was Walgreens we could go back in time and try to prevent Israel from ever being formed, but we can't.  So in this situation, Israel is a strategic ally in the Middle East, and we have to help them continue their democracy.

Like always, Israel has got a little heavy handed, but I would still say they are doing what's neccesary.

Hamas is an organisation with the prime purpose of destroying Israel, any nation with any sense of self preservation knows that the best thing to do is to kill them, before they kill us, so to speak.

Let's hope this time, Israel will be allowed to finish the job, unlike in 2006.  But then again, Israel shouldn't need the world's permission to defend themselves. 

I think Israel should make a state in it that is reserved for the Palestinians.

But I doubt that would solve anything.

If I was the head hauncho right now, I'd pull 90% of our support (financially) for Israel and tell them to solve the problems if they want to survive.

The Israeli Palestinian conflict has done nothing but hurt everyone, and honestly I think the world would be better off without those two. And I don't mean to be bigoted or Anti-Semetic, I'm fine with the people but the states themselves cause so much trouble and misery that they're just not worth keeping around.

I strongly oppose Israel. I really really don't like them. This thread is a good indication of my views:

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/unions/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26454431&union_id=344 

Let's hope this time, Israel will be allowed to finish the job, unlike in 2006.  But then again, Israel shouldn't need the world's permission to defend themselves. Alter_Ego

Yep so we can see more of this. 

Let's hope this time, Israel will be allowed to finish the job, unlike in 2006.  But then again, Israel shouldn't need the world's permission to defend themselves. 

Alter_Ego

Believe me if you've had the misfortune of seeing a palestinian refugee camp, like me,  you wouldn't even think about supporting Israel.

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Let's hope this time, Israel will be allowed to finish the job, unlike in 2006.  But then again, Israel shouldn't need the world's permission to defend themselves. 

felixlynch777

Believe me if you've had the misfortune of seeing a palestinian refugee camp, like me,  you wouldn't even think about supporting Israel.

Who is really at fault for those camps?  Israel, who gives full citizenship to all arabs who walk up and ask for it?  Or could it be the palestinian leaders, who steal all the foreign aid money and use it for terrorist training and (quite successful) propaganda?  Or perhaps all of the neighboring arab nations are also at fault, for stuffing the palestinian people into these camps, rather than welcoming them with open arms?  The land of Israel makes up less than 1/5 of 1% of all the land in the middle east.  To a muslim who has been told from birth that killing as many jews as possible is a requirement for salvation, obtaining living space is certainly the least of their concerns.  The "land was stolen by zionists" argument falls apart when you realize that fact.  

To get a bit back more on the current topic, the simple truth is that if Hamas wasn't firing rockets into Israeli civilian population areas, Israel would have had no reason for retaliating.   The only difference between what happened during the cease fire and after the cease fire was how many rockets were launched.  It's unfortunate, but the only options Hamas has left Israel is to die or go to war. 

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Let's hope this time, Israel will be allowed to finish the job, unlike in 2006. But then again, Israel shouldn't need the world's permission to defend themselves. felixlynch777

Yep so we can see more of this.

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Let's hope this time, Israel will be allowed to finish the job, unlike in 2006. But then again, Israel shouldn't need the world's permission to defend themselves. MetalGear_Ninty

Yep so we can see more of this.

[QUOTE="Alter_Ego"]

Let's hope this time, Israel will be allowed to finish the job, unlike in 2006.  But then again, Israel shouldn't need the world's permission to defend themselves. 

felixlynch777

Believe me if you've had the misfortune of seeing a palestinian refugee camp, like me,  you wouldn't even think about supporting Israel.

Don't you think that if you'd seen the same in Israel you'd be saying just the same thing? :) 

From what I've heard (mainly from Michael medved and major Michael Oren), I have to say that Israel is defending itself against a group of crazy fanatics. Here are a few of my reasons

1: Up until a month ago, Gaza WAS an independent state. They had free elections in 2006, and they elected a group of psychos to their legislature.

2: When Israeli Troops pulled out of Gaza in 2005, Hamas lunatics started launching rocket attacks the day after Israel pulled out, and have been launching Qassam rockets into Israel every day.

3: since the Oslo accords, over 1000 Israelis have died as a result of suicide attacks conducted by Hamas

4: Hamas has recieved many billions of dollars in foreign aid, most especially from the Iranians. Rather than invest that in economic growth, they have invested all of it in missiles. Hamas really has only one goal and that is to kill Israeli civilians

5: Hamas is violating the rules of war. One instance is the use of UN marked ambulences as troop and munitions transports

6: all that being said, the blockade is necessary. They are blockading a terrorist state. Regarding the blockade, there has been a story circulating about an Israeli missile boat ramming an "aid boat", that's simply not true. According to Major Oren, the "aid boat" rammed the missile boat and the missile boat sustained more damage. That being said, the IDF has better ways to destroy surface vessels than ramming them with multi-million dollar missile boats.

Now regarding the creation of Israel, since 1600 there has been a Jewish majority in Jerusalem. The land given to the Jews in the Bulfour agreement had a Jewish majority. The goal of this war in Gaza is to stop indiscriminate hamas rocket fire against Israeli civilians (which IS illegal thanks to the Geneva convention). Israel is clearly defending itself and I strongly support here in this war.

I think Israel should make a state in it that is reserved for the Palestinians.

But I doubt that would solve anything.

helium_flash

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I think Israel should make a state in it that is reserved for the Palestinians.

But I doubt that would solve anything.

danwallacefan

you DO realize that happens in EVERY war danwallacefan

kinda fixed

sadly we still don't have "terrorist seeking missiles" so civilian casaulties are to be expected, especialy with the way hamas is fighthing, they are basicly hiding behind civilians. Israel has throwen billions into the research and development of weapons that try to minimize civilian casaulties, sadly that still don't make them disapear.

and honestly, I don't see an end to the conflict till one of the sides is dead, it's just to much of a **** right now, for diplomacy to have any meaningfull effect.