YouTuber tries to build console killer PC. Says it will cost at least $1100. Herms get rekt?

The Covid thing does not help the cost at all..... 6 months ago prices were cheaper and stock was plentiful. You could have built the same thing for hundreds less.

Why would you want to build a cheap gaming PC?

so , has Sony revealed the PS5 price ?

Been a long time this happened tho, the xboxone and ps4 were the weakest consoles at launch in history, allthough the xbox360 and ps3 the strongest. It seems like we get the latter again this time, but generations don't exist anymore , so what's the point, investing in hardware isthe worst investment you can make.

Pc has better scaling when it comes to cpu since the game needs to consider a lot of diferrent architectures, sure consoles can optimize better, but it's new gen, that's new architecture so devs are not used to it, in the end in the beginning it won't make much of a difference.

Still I needed to build a pc for someone that wanted a new pc right away, and I just had to factor in upgrade routes. Since building a pc right now to factor in competitivity with the new consoles is a money pit. All you can do it is making something weaker with a pretty decent upgrade path, but it's still ridicilous, For 700-800$ you will have a cpu that's 50 percent weaker, and if you're lucky you might get half of the gpu power.

I'm quite curious how much these new consoles will cost, and If they're actually going to sell, since they will not be needed to play the newest games. This while they'll probably be sold with a loss.

@commander: Agreed, this gen is at least launching with CPUs that aren't already garbage right out the gate.

This video just makes Jay look bad. Neither the next-gen consoles or the upcoming PC hardware are out on the market. So, any serious comparisons are pointless. I never held him in high regard, but even less so after him putting out a video like that.

Unless you’re going with secondhand parts and already have a Windows license, the cost of entry for PC gaming is going to be higher. Especially if you want something top notch. That’s fine, imo. It’s a more flexible platform with function beyond gaming/entertainment, so I can justify the costs. Not a fan of buying secondhand myself. I like having a manufacturer warranty out of the gate.

Gaming is an expensive hobby... splitting hairs here.

because pc don't have custom i/o chips. ps5 i/o can decompress 9 to 22 gigs of krakken format.

....also $1100 is probably around the same cost for a launch console + console revision. Hairs. Split.

Yeah, not really surprising. Plus, like others have said, we're getting new parts in a few months.

Everyone other than PC fanatics already knew this. Be ware, they'll try to use the, "you can get them cheaper!" argument. They conveniently leave out the fact that it's incredibly difficult to build a PC as cheaper or cheaper than consoles that can out perform then, and most usually won't. They'll only get similar results.

I think consoles have pretty much always offered better bang/buck. that is why they are viable, they let people play games who don't have a ton of money to throw at the hobby.

PC has always been the enthusiast option and offers the best experience but you need to be willing to spend more money to get it.

I'm glad the new consoles are looking reasonably powerful so games can keep advancing but I'll be sticking with PC as my primary gaming device, and I'm fine putting lots of money into it.

Yeah in your fantasy world it will man,i don't see GPU with the power of the Series X for less than $400 and who knows if $500,the 5700XT doesn't and is over $400 now what make you think that GPU will hit dirt prices in just 4 months?

Not only that CPU ssd.

I can say Maybe $1,000 $950 maybe cutting curners,but $700 no way man,more than half of that alone will be on GPU.

Man are you been serious?

So if the PS5 and xbox have hardware that take decompresion off the CPU,and which total 7 or 9 zen 2 cores you bet your house that you need something to counter that on PC.

Don't tell me that PC will magically decompress extremely fast data with zeron over heard thanks to magic,if moder boards don't have that you are not getting that help,that means your CPU most do it for you.

Now please tell me the majority of CPU on PC have 8 cores or more.

1-Probably not.

2-Yeah because on PC the OS is free of penalties,and runs on magic not CPU cores,have you try to run windows 10 on a dual core?

Dude windows is bloatware heavy than the PS5 and xbox series X will be by a long shot.

3-Yeah no we don't trust your lies we know how much Part cost on PC now.

By the way if the PS5 has hardware compression asistance that would be equal to 9 zen 2 core,what on the PC will be taking care of that decompresion while also runing the OS and the game code?

So you need what a Thread ripper?

No shit. Sony/MS buy all the components in bulk, and they might even operate at a loss early on. No way can a gaming PC prices compete with that.

Read the discussion before quoting me with stupid shit. I won't deal with your idiocy.

Pc prices are all screwed up due to covid19, but even then look complete pc except video card and win10 key.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rCtx3t

Grab radeon rdna2 card in fall 2020.

grab win10 pro cd key off ebay for 2-3 dollars which i've done i bought two of them.

Omg pc gaming so expensive what? 200-300 dollars over a console even with a screwed up parts market atm? LOL

No usb flash drive? ok buy an 8 gb one from bestbuy/walmart and load windows10 on it from here.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/software-download/windows10

Sorry kids a ryzen 3000 4.2 ghz 6 core 12 thread cpu>3.6 ghz ryzen 3000 8 core 16 thread cpu not to mention sony/microsoft dedicates cores to running the consoles operating system.

I was originally gonna buy a an 8 core over a 6 core, but in actual benchmarks the 6 core was beating it due to higher clocks lol no different.

4 cores X 1350MB/s = 5400MB/s Thats the raw speed of the SSD without compression.

The PS5 ssd with compression is 9000MB/s which means it is not 4 cores,is more like 7,also that 1350MB doesn't say what CPU it is and what speed,so if it is a Ryzen 2 at 4.0ghz thats certainly giving a better picture than what the PS5 would get or xbox,so maybe that is the reason he say 9 cores,but maybe on PC with 6 or 7 at 4.0ghz you can do the same.

Never the less even 4 cores is something that PC will need to compensate with something,so you have an 8 cores and you use 4 for decompresion you only have 4 left for everything else including system and code.

I know the intel 10600k 6 core 12 thread cpu is different architecture than the ryzen 3700x 8 core 16 thread, but the instructions per clock ipc are about the same, but the 10600k smokes the 3700x due to it's clock speed advantage.

perfect example.

That cost would drop hundreds of dollars by the time the consoles come out or shortly afterwards. Pc is better, deal with it. You could remove the 4K disk drive too if they charged for that and save even more

Kraken has an unusual capability to decode normal Kraken compressed data with two threads. This allows for about a 1.7× speedup with 2 threads, which puts Kraken decode speed even farther out of the ballpark.

No special preparation of the data is needed (such as the chunking that is done for more primitive threaded decoders), and no compression ratio is lost. That is, existing Kraken-compressed data can be directly loaded by the threaded Kraken decoder.

We provide pre-threaded decoders ready to go in the Oodle SDK, or you can easily run it on your own threads.

http://www.radgametools.com/oodlekraken.htm

In reference to the graphics.

Cerny mentions 8 or 9GB after decompression.

No shit PC is better, but look at the times we're livin' in right now. I suspect that even the new consoles are going to have trouble selling at their prices. PC part prices are probably going to have to drop drastically to compete.

Asset streaming from ssd into memory will never be faster than the assets already loaded up in physical memory, i've never liked the idea of asset streaming in general since it's inception because all it does is create lod problems.

More memory is the solution not, ssd.

I paid about $1500 for my PC when I got it. I also paid around $1000 total for my PS4 so far.

Console 400

3 controllers 60 each

4 TB hard drive 120

5+ years of PS+ 60 a year

I've also spent more for games on console because steam sales are usually better. If you're gainfully employed the cost isn't that big a deal. Hell, one month mortgage for my house is 1200 and that doesn't include insurance, utilities, cell phone, car payment ect. Having A job opens up wonderful opportunities, I'm telling you.

@tormentos:

Yeah in your fantasy world it will man,i don't see GPU with the power of the Series X for less than $400 and who knows if $500,the 5700XT doesn't and is over $400 now what make you think that GPU will hit dirt prices in just 4 months?

The RTX 2060 is ~330ish USD and 40-70% faster than the 1060 depending on title. We expect the 3000 series to be a bigger leap, more akin from Maxwell to Pascal.

Even assuming a modest bump in just normal DX12 of 50% that would put the 3060 at the performance of the 1080 Ti/2070 Super which are faster than the XSX by a margin.

If we assume a Maxwell to Pascal jump where it's average 70%+ faster across the board the 3060 will mop the floor with both consoles considering the thermal performance, overclocking, and ray tracing capability, rumored to be 4x Turing.

Jayz was all about custom water loops but nowadays, he barely does any and this is what happens when you get this big on YT, you lose your way what made you famous.

Who pays $60 per year for PS+ ? CD keys or ebay has them at half that year 'round. Game Pass and Gold as well.

Rekt? How so?

I don't think Corvette owners get "rekt" by Toyota Corolla owners because they spent 80k on their car instead of 20k. Why would a PC get "rekt" by a console simply for costing more when it offers a superior experience?

It say per 2 threads but what are the speed of the CPU in question,i am sure 2 threads from a FX6350 will not produce the same results ast a Ryzen 2 2700X.

Thats my point exactly but 8 to 9GB/s can't be done by just 4 to 5 cores,more like 6 to 7.

And again even if 4 cores could that still leave you with 4 cores that you need on PC for the job.

Stop saying stupid shit,streaming was created to over come loading problems,maybe you are to young to remember how loading was when cd started.

Thats a stupid thing to say,because no matter what PC or consoles those assets are loaded from the same place,you just do so slower in mechanical drives,leading assets faster to memory means you can load more things faster,probably resolve pop in which still happen today,and have probably better draw distance.

The RTX 2060 will not beat the series X dude no way.

Were did you get that the 2070 super is faster than the xbox series X and by a margin?

The 5700XT actually beat the 2070 super in several games and in other as well the loss is small.

Have in mind that the 5700XT is $100 cheaper,also take into account the series X has higher bandwidth higher TF count than the 5700XT and is RDNA2.

There is no way the 2070 super beats it a GPU which is mostly $470 to $500+.

Man $700 will not cost you a PC that beats the series X.

Not really the same thing. In this case you are paying at least double for the same thing.

If you are a single system loser and want to be trapped in a closed system that can't do anything other than play a pathetic number of forced exclusives, sounds like consoles are a good way to go next gen

But it's not the same thing. That PC is capable of so much more. Has access to so many more games than consoles. Access to more genres. More independent games. Mods. Infinite backwards compatibility.

That's not even including its non-gaming capabilities.

If anything the console is a ripoff because it does so little. Double the price? That's a steal imo given the two options.

As I said in another thread, if you're concerned about games and performance and experiencing the entirety of gaming, a console is half-assing it. You should whole-ass it and get a PC.

If you care about getting something cheap that does OK, then get the console. There's no shame in that. This is why I buy the Toyota instead of the Chevy, because I need a cheap and reliable car, not an awesome and fast car.

@mrbojangles25: lol, the average gamer doesn't have time to play all of the games in existence. People will choose what suits them like you said. At $500, the next gen consoles will be a great value.

Console gamers keep thinking PC is all about pure gaming and don't take into account we PC gamers do more than that. I turn my PC into a workstation and I do way more than just gaming, I'm now working from home (for a limited time) and I also do art stuff as well. Other then gaming, I get wayyyy more out of my PC than the average console won't give you.

To sum it up, I want everything, and PC gives me what I desire. I got nothing against consoles, I still buy'em to play exclusives but that's about it.

PCs will always be more expensive than a game console. They are worth more and can do more stuff than just games. PC gaming is still much cheaper than console gaming even with the initial expense included.

It's going to be hard to build a console killer PC. I'd just say, embrace the fact the consoles are going to be super powerful, and will result in PC games also looking amazingly better.

@AlexKidd5000: super powerful? umm a 3.6 ghz ryzen 3600 isnt powerful lol, neither is a 12 tf gpu bro, the 5700xt can be had for 300 dollars on ebay and it's 10 teraflops muchless rnda2 cards this fall they will piss all over xbox series x bro.No it wont be ''hard to build a console killer'' it was never hard to build one and that tradition will always continue every generation console suckers get sucked into the marketing hype.

Is PS5 going to be "basically a supercharged gaming PC" too?

I don't know about value, but they're certainly cheap. And gaming PC's are not for the average gamer. If you want a cheap product so you can play Halo for the next six months, by all means get an xbox.

I think this is where you console-only folks get confused, you think your product actually competes with PC. It doesn't. Regardless of what the folks at Sony say, console competition is other consoles.

And when did I say it was about playing all the games in existence? I implied it's more about being able to play all the games in existence. Past, present, and future.

Same.

Bought a PS4, had fun with the exclusives, but I'm on PC now. I might buy Ghost of Tsushima though.

PC gives me everything. Console only one thing, and not even the whole one thing.

I dont think you people realize since most of you are alot younger than me and never owned as many consoles as me or gaming pc's such as atari2600,atari jaguar,3do list goes on, but one of the only times a console ever could compete with a pc was n64 because n64 released before graphics cards released for the pc, but it only held the crown for couple months when quake released and it got it's video card patch it put any console game to shame.

@tormentos: RTX 3060, not 2060. Did you commit a typo?

Where are you seeing that the 5700XT is as good as the 2070 Super?

https://www.techspot.com/review/2015-geforce-rtx-2070-super-vs-radeon-5700-xt/#:~:text=The%205700%20XT%20just%20manages,is%2016%25%20faster%20at%201440p.&text=Both%20%24400%20GPUs%20average%20around,below%20the%20RTX%202060%20Super.

Super is 16% faster on average. If you start overclocks, that gap widens.

I'd predict around a 800ish PC to compete with the XSX quite easily, but we won't know until we see next gen prices. As usual, people tend to overestimate consoles before they release.

Consoles don't compare well to full size GPUs, TFLOPS be damned. They have thermal and power limitations. Even cross desktop comparisons mean nothing since the introduction of GPU Boost 3.0 and the AMD equivalent. Nvidia's 11.xx TFLOP 1080 Ti is theoretically on par with the XSX, but that's at 1481. A properly cooled 1080 Ti will hit nearly 2000 on the core without adjusting any power/clocks. 2070 Super trades blows with big Pascal.

I expect the XSX to be competing with GPUs slightly lower than the 5700XT based on core limitations. You can hold me too that (well, outside RT architectural improvements which we have no clue), if I'm wrong call me out. But I'd be very surprised if consoles crossed the 200W TDP.

the 5700xt 10 teraflops gpu released last year for 399, the 5700 xt successor 6700 xt will easily be more powerful than 12 teraflops tho and releasing around sametime as xbox series x or before it and that's just a mid range card, muchless actual rdna2 highend card.

amd's own ceo said the pc's 5700 xt successor cards will piss on xbox series x lol.

Spending money on a gaming computer that competes with the next consoles when they aren't even out is probably not the best idea. Wait for the next consoles to release, then build it after new hardware has dropped, and chances are it'll be only around 700-800 bucks.

Where i just freaking linked you a damn video man,and 16% for real when the 2070Super is $100 more? Yeah the 5700XT also OC by the way.

So i showed you how the 5700XT can beat the 2070 super and you deny it,it shows both running side by side.

The Series X is RDNA2 and 12TF man,it should have no problem beating the 5700XT or the 2070 super which you claim would be the series X by a margin with nothing to back your argument.

What core limitation the series X is 12TF at 1800+mhz there is no limitation that i see there,not vs the 5700XT and has more bandwidth as well,that without saying that RDNA should bring a win vs RDNA1 without problem.

Don't worry i will this thread is bookmarket..

lol the series X bellow the 5700XT.🤣

No is 9+ TF not 10.

And still goes for $400+ by the way.

Yeah and that 6700XT should cost more than $400,another thing i don't see the 6700XT if it even exist as a 52CU GPU probably will be a 40CU GPU at i dare say 2.0ghz exaggerating and still will not match the series X TF wise.

What a stupid thread.

@tormentos: Nope the 50th anniversary edition 5700xt is 10.14 TFLOPs and most of the add in board partner 5700xt's are running higher clocks than the 50th anniversary edition.

Nice try fool.

Look on ebay most 5700xt's are 350 dollars now and alot can be found for 300.

Yes the 5700xt's successor will smash xbox series x sorry.

https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/news/amd-radeon-rx-5700-xt-50th-anniversary-edition,39603.html