Xbox 360 is more powerful than PS3. No question asked!!! FACTS INCLUDED

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the GPU (Graphics Processing unit). The 360's Xenos GPU is also slightly more powerful for running current graphics engines and, in terms of complying with Windows Graphic Foundation 2.0 (compatible with future versions of Direct X, shader models, etc.) is a full-generation ahead of the RSX. "One of the key ideas behind a unified architecture is to move the GPU from a rendering only processor to a complete compute processor. Right now all the GPU does is render 3D and displays it on your screen (yes it does more like 2D, video etc... but for the point of this article we are talking about 3D). With a unified architecture the GPU becomes more. It becomes a processor that can do almost anything that needs code processed. This means the GPU can take on more functions like physics, AI, animation and many other processes that can benefit the gaming experience. DirectX 10 and a unified GPU architecture helps a video card become an all-in-one Swiss army knife of game processing.



The 360's OS on the other hand uses only 3% of its CPU time on Cores 1 and 2, while Core 0 is free altogether, and 6.25% (32mb) of its 512mb RAM, this means that the 360 has more processing power available for in-game graphics and physics. Meanwhile, the ps3's OS…
"In the case of the PS3 this equates to 12.5% of the available Cores on the CPU always reserved, an additional 12.5% sometimes taken by the OS, 12.5% of the available RSX memory and 25% of XDR Cell memory. Balancing these out, one could argue that Sony has removed up to 25% of the available CPU power and 18.75% of RAM for these features as well as others that are not mentioned here or will be added in future updates to the PS3 Operation System."
Wow, 18.75% (96mb) of the ps3's 512mb of total RAM, vs. 6.25% (32mb) of the 360's 512mb RAM, say, that means the ps3 has 416mb RAM left vs. the 360's leftover 490mb RAM for graphics…
I could be wrong, but isn't 490mb greater than 416mb???


The 360's Xenos GPU is slightly more powerful for running current graphics engines and, in terms of complying with Windows Graphic Foundation 2.0 (compatible with future versions of Direct X, shader models, etc.) is a full-generation ahead of the RSX. "One of the key ideas behind a unified architecture is to move the GPU from a rendering only processor to a complete compute processor. Right now all the GPU does is render 3D and displays it on your screen (yes it does more like 2D, video etc... but for the point of this article we are talking about 3D). With a unified architecture the GPU becomes more. It becomes a processor that can do almost anything that needs code processed. This means the GPU can take on more functions like physics, AI, animation and many other processes that can benefit the gaming experience. DirectX 10 and a unified GPU architecture helps a video card become an all-in-one Swiss army knife of game processing. Those are the ideas at least, how it all works out is up to the game content developers


ps3 GPU stands at 228.8 GFLOPS
360 GPU stands at 240.0 GFLOPS


I thought it was about time that people realised this. As with the PS2, Sony have duped everybody into believing the PS3 was more powerful with FAKE pre-rendered 'target render' footage before E3 and clever wording.

Most people are convinced that the PS3 is more powerful and will produce better graphics and performance in games. I looked into this, I read about the specs. It turns out that the hardware is almost identical, however, whilst the Xbox 360 makes good use of it, the PS3 doesn't even have the power to use half of it's hardware properly. The way the cores are designed make it really difficult and non flexible for developers, and then I saw a graph...

Turns out the Xbox 360 has more of what's called "System Memory Bandwith". In fact, it has SIX TIMES what the PS3 has. So you're probably wondering what that means. Well, it's for actually USING the hardware and memory to render the game. You see how on the Xbox 360 all the textures look so nice and 3D and shiny? How everything has that extra photo realism to it rather than just looking painted on? Turns out the PS3 doesn't even have HALF of the system memory bandwith required to pull that off decently (you'll notice a lot of their E3 videos have very flat, last-gen looking textures).

So I looked at some more graphs, and although the difference is small, the Xbox 360 has more power on all of them, except for one. I looked into that remaining one to see what it was for, and it was for, surprise surprise, video playback. PS3 is a powerful blu-ray movie player which just so happens to be able to play games. Most likely built around Final Fantasy, so Square can make super ultra high definition FMVs with a few not-so-special playable bits inbetween.

Maybe a lot of that was a bit technical and boring, but my point is, it seems we were all duped. Everywhere people are talking about how the PS3 is apparently more powerful, but it's not true, at least not for gaming, and the difference is bigger than we thought. Now if only people would realise this.






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What's up with people using that annoying color.

*edit*It's okay now.

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#3 Lucianu
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So were those games on 360 that look better at? In the imagination of fans?

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#4 SaltyMeatballs
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They are pretty much the same, I don't need numbers to know that.
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#7 guildclaws
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Both of them are pretty much the same

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#8 Nonstop-Madness
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The OS footprint is actually smaller than 96MB, its 50MB. PS3 has a split RAM archiecture but the RSX can actually access both. The key is making the Cell do a lot of the basic stuff so when it gets to the RSX, it just has to finish the rest.
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#9 Heil68
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No really and PC is better than both.
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No really and PC is better than both. Heil68
Depends on the pc. 85% of people who play games on pc dont have hardware as good as Xbox 360, so the majority of pcs are worse.
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#12 theuncharted34
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So with that ps3 > xbox 360 hardware thread yesterday we needed too add one more on the pile?

This is 2011, it should be common knowledge by now that both are even in power.

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#13 slarkyslark
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So with that ps3 > xbox 360 hardware thread yesterday we needed too add one more on the pile?

This is 2011, it should be common knowledge by now that both are even in power.

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If you read then you would find out they ARE NOT even. 360 is stronger.
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Maybe a lot of that was a bit technical and boring, but my point is, it seems we were all duped. Everywhere people are talking about how the PS3 is apparently more powerful, but it's not true, at least not for gaming, and the difference is bigger than we thought. Now if only people would realise this.






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Yes it was.

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[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

So with that ps3 > xbox 360 hardware thread yesterday we needed too add one more on the pile?

This is 2011, it should be common knowledge by now that both are even in power.

slarkyslark

If you read then you would find out they ARE NOT even. 360 is stronger.

I don't need to read it. You probably said that the Gpu is superior and the 360's os uses less ram blah blah...

The ps3's cell processor makes up for the weaker gpu in the ps3.

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[QUOTE="Heil68"]No really and PC is better than both. slarkyslark
Depends on the pc. 85% of people who play games on pc dont have hardware as good as Xbox 360, so the majority of pcs are worse.

Where did you get this number from?
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#17 casharmy
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spec sheets...in 2011?

lol is this 2005 again? Sad, at least Sony fans were confident enough to admit when certian aspects of there console was better on another system (PS2 vs xbox in graphics)

Losing the graphics argument chip for MS fans must have been too big of a blow to deal with on a realistic level so no we are left with these kinds ofarguments.

REALISTICALLY, if 360 ismore powerful then PS3 AND is proven to be easier for developers to create games and get proformance out of AAAAND released a full year before PS3...How in the world did PS3 EVER get games that beat xbox360 games in overall of graphics (not just reviews but best graphics GOTY awards and developer acknoledgement from other game studios) year after year since 2007?

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[QUOTE="Heil68"]No really and PC is better than both. slarkyslark
Depends on the pc. 85% of people who play games on pc dont have hardware as good as Xbox 360, so the majority of pcs are worse.

And those 15% of PCs remaining account for a huge number of systems more powerful then any console.
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spec sheets...in 2011?

lol is this 2005 again? Sad, at least Sony fans were confident enough to admit when certian aspects of there console was better on another system (PS2 vs xbox in graphics)

Losing the graphics argument chip forMS fans must have been too big of a blow to deal with on a realistic level so no we are left with these despeate arguments.

REALISTICALLY, if 360 ismore powerfulthen PS3AND is proven to be easier for developers to create games and get proformance out of AAAAND released a full year before PS3...How in the world did PS3 EVER get games that beat xbox360 games in overall of graphics year after year since 2007?

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Gears 3 is the best looking console game ever anyways. /argument
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#20 NeonNinja
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So were those games on 360 that look better at? In the imagination of fans?

Lucianu

Imagination.........

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[QUOTE="slarkyslark"][QUOTE="Heil68"]No really and PC is better than both. chaplainDMK
Depends on the pc. 85% of people who play games on pc dont have hardware as good as Xbox 360, so the majority of pcs are worse.

And those 15% of PCs remaining account for a huge number of systems more powerful then any console.

They are the minority, which is probably why pc sales are so awful nowadays.
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[QUOTE="Heil68"]No really and PC is better than both. slarkyslark
Depends on the pc. 85% of people who play games on pc dont have hardware as good as Xbox 360, so the majority of pcs are worse.

Link to those stats?
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[QUOTE="casharmy"]

spec sheets...in 2011?

lol is this 2005 again? Sad, at least Sony fans were confident enough to admit when certian aspects of there console was better on another system (PS2 vs xbox in graphics)

Losing the graphics argument chip forMS fans must have been too big of a blow to deal with on a realistic level so no we are left with these despeate arguments.

REALISTICALLY, if 360 ismore powerfulthen PS3AND is proven to be easier for developers to create games and get proformance out of AAAAND released a full year before PS3...How in the world did PS3 EVER get games that beat xbox360 games in overall of graphics year after year since 2007?

slarkyslark
Gears 3 is the best looking console game ever anyways. /argument

uncharted 3 is the best looking console game ever. see i can do that too
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[QUOTE="slarkyslark"][QUOTE="casharmy"]

spec sheets...in 2011?

lol is this 2005 again? Sad, at least Sony fans were confident enough to admit when certian aspects of there console was better on another system (PS2 vs xbox in graphics)

Losing the graphics argument chip forMS fans must have been too big of a blow to deal with on a realistic level so no we are left with these despeate arguments.

REALISTICALLY, if 360 ismore powerfulthen PS3AND is proven to be easier for developers to create games and get proformance out of AAAAND released a full year before PS3...How in the world did PS3 EVER get games that beat xbox360 games in overall of graphics year after year since 2007?

da_illest101
Gears 3 is the best looking console game ever anyways. /argument

uncharted 3 is the best looking console game ever. see i can do that too

we both can do it. Reviewers and other sites will agree with me when they are released though ;)
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[QUOTE="Heil68"]No really and PC is better than both. slarkyslark
Depends on the pc. 85% of people who play games on pc dont have hardware as good as Xbox 360, so the majority of pcs are worse.

Why, because that idiot Michael Pachter said so? :lol:

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CPU and RAM don't matter? Only GPU? Wow what a flawed thread.
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[QUOTE="da_illest101"][QUOTE="slarkyslark"] Gears 3 is the best looking console game ever anyways. /argumentslarkyslark
uncharted 3 is the best looking console game ever. see i can do that too

we both can do it. Reviewers and other sites will agree with me when they are released though ;)

I think they'll probably agree that Crysis 2 is the best and that Rage will probably surpass it. ZOMG TEH MOOLTIPLATS!!!!!!!!!!!1 Get 'em away, get 'em away!!!!!!!!!!

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#28 Kinthalis
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Oh boy.

"85% of all PC's playing games...". ---Made up stat.

Typical.

"That's why PC sales are so bad today" - Ignorance.

Typical.

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[QUOTE="casharmy"]

spec sheets...in 2011?

lol is this 2005 again? Sad, at least Sony fans were confident enough to admit when certian aspects of there console was better on another system (PS2 vs xbox in graphics)

Losing the graphics argument chip forMS fans must have been too big of a blow to deal with on a realistic level so no we are left with these despeate arguments.

REALISTICALLY, if 360 ismore powerfulthen PS3AND is proven to be easier for developers to create games and get proformance out of AAAAND released a full year before PS3...How in the world did PS3 EVER get games that beat xbox360 games in overall of graphics year after year since 2007?

slarkyslark

Gears 3 is the best looking console game ever anyways. /argument

Yeah and so was Gears 2, Metro 2033, Red dead redimption, Splinter Cell convictions, Alan Wake, and Halo Reach before they released...and trampled by PS3 exclusives in GOTY awards for best graphics.

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[QUOTE="slarkyslark"][QUOTE="da_illest101"][QUOTE="slarkyslark"] Gears 3 is the best looking console game ever anyways. /argument

uncharted 3 is the best looking console game ever. see i can do that too

we both can do it. Reviewers and other sites will agree with me when they are released though ;)

i'm bookmarking this thread right now for future ownage, no seriously I don't care at that point about graphics
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[QUOTE="slarkyslark"][QUOTE="da_illest101"][QUOTE="slarkyslark"] Gears 3 is the best looking console game ever anyways. /argument

uncharted 3 is the best looking console game ever. see i can do that too

we both can do it. Reviewers and other sites will agree with me when they are released though ;)

You also have a crystal ball,that's nice!
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Are you taking into acount that the PS3 has 256MB of XDR Ram wich is supposed to be like WAYY faster than the DDR3 that the Xbox360 is using? also are you taking into account that developers who know how to make games on the PS3 are offloading some graphics stuff to the Cell processor (like the uncharted guys) to get more performance from the GPU itself?

Your simply going by GPU power but on the PS3 if the dev is good they can offloard some GPU stuff to the CPU to free up more power on the GPU for better performance/graphics and whatnot.

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Are you taking into acount that the PS3 has 256MB of XDR Ram wich is supposed to be like WAYY faster than the DDR3 that the Xbox360 is using? also are you taking into account that developers who know how to make games on the PS3 are offloading some graphics stuff to the Cell processor (like the uncharted guys) to get more performance from the GPU itself?

Your simply going by GPU power but on the PS3 if the dev is good they can offloard some GPU stuff to the CPU to free up more power on the GPU for better performance/graphics and whatnot.

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You shall address them as Naughty Dog! :evil:

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#35 walkingdream
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Both are so close it really doesn't matter...
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#36 TrapJak
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Maybe this debate will finally settle in October.

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you have way to much time on your hands

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#38 clone01
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[QUOTE="StrongDeadlift"]

Seriously, it is 2011 the friggin gen is almost over. Does anybody REALLY give a s*** anymore?

slarkyslark

why do trolls from bb.com troll my thread? You cant handle the facts, my friend.

You know that calling someone a troll is trolling?
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#39 clone01
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They are pretty much the same, I don't need numbers to know that.SaltyMeatballs
This is the correct answer.
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No, they're EXACTLY and equally dismal compared to...the PC :P
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This is getting boring...

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#43 clone01
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This is getting boring...

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It always becomes boring. Two platforms that are essentially equal, but fanboys like to think otherwise.
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#44 TrapJak
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[QUOTE="QQabitmoar"]

This is getting boring...

clone01

It always becomes boring. Two platforms that are essentially equal, but fanboys like to think otherwise.

But teh cell!

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yet out of the exclusive games that look good indicates PS3 has the edge in graphics. Barely but still Other than those 3-4 exclusives that PS3seems to have a slight edge both systems are about the same level
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[QUOTE="adamosmaki"]yet out of the exclusive games that look good indicates PS3 has the edge in graphics. Barely but still Other than those 3-4 exclusives that PS3seems to have a slight edge both systems are about the same level

gears 3 look better than any ps3 game, if there is any edge the 360 has it ;)
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[QUOTE="adamosmaki"]yet out of the exclusive games that look good indicates PS3 has the edge in graphics. Barely but still Other than those 3-4 exclusives that PS3seems to have a slight edge both systems are about the same levelslarkyslark
gears 3 look better than any ps3 game, if there is any edge the 360 has it ;)

Judge a game you havent played officially?

Wait till September brah.

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[QUOTE="slarkyslark"][QUOTE="adamosmaki"]yet out of the exclusive games that look good indicates PS3 has the edge in graphics. Barely but still Other than those 3-4 exclusives that PS3seems to have a slight edge both systems are about the same levelTrapJak

gears 3 look better than any ps3 game, if there is any edge the 360 has it ;)

Judge a game you havent played officially?

Wait till September brah.

it has superior AA, lighting, and textures.
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#49 tgzbdnosic
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People are STILL trying to prove which one is more powerful?......wow I thought that's something to talk about when they were barely released, games are what matter more now-a-days..
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#50 MonsieurX
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[QUOTE="slarkyslark"][QUOTE="adamosmaki"]yet out of the exclusive games that look good indicates PS3 has the edge in graphics. Barely but still Other than those 3-4 exclusives that PS3seems to have a slight edge both systems are about the same level

gears 3 look better than any ps3 game, if there is any edge the 360 has it ;)

That's your opinion about gears.