Will scorpio turn the tide in the console wars

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Will scorpio turn the tide in the console wars

NO.

Scorpio launching in 2017 is shite decision, Neo has a year head start bringing millions of more HW sold. By the time MS releases this, Sony can just counter it with something better. Going first will always be the worst solution, there just doing a Nintendo/Sega, X1 flops and release another.

when does the neo release?

At this point, I would not even be surprised if Neo was just a ghost. Until it is actually announced, it sounds like a boogeyman that Sony was waving around to make MS dedicate resources to a new XBox. We'll see, though. I just wouldn't be surprised if they simply decide to hold out until PS5.

In System Wars there is no tide/winner. Just a place where nonsense reigns and common sense gets buried within.

MS owns Havoc and develops Minecraft for all platforms. Chances are they are aware of whats happening with their competition.

Even with the horrendous launch of the PS3, Sony sold more units than xbox 360 on a yearly basis. All Sony has to do is release the PS5 a year later, with a low price and better specs.

They just need to continue making money off PS4. When it stops making them money, then they will move on.

Indeed. Except, they got rooked on the 8GBs in the PS4.

Sony is probably right now starting work on a console beefier than the scorpio.

Sony doesn't have to suddenly stop making consoles because they made the Neo.

Microsoft has just gotta get used to fighting sony for life.

@cvstar: This is how I'm seeing it. If I'm Sony, I'm thinking, I need to just focus on making as much money as I can on the 40 million installed base right now. Nothing much Sony can do with Scorpio but accept it and launch a PS5 a year after Scorpio, with bumped up specs, to compete or beat it; and work on their online infrastructure.

@commander: This holiday apparently, i'll probably wait till 2017 myself.

That was prior to the purchase of Minecraft and havoc. Moves straight out of the CIA handbook.

Why the need Xbox, Xbox offer nothing new to a PC owner/gamer.

Seems more like a headache for developers to port games to more consoles

I don't think that is confirmed, some say march 2017.

@raugutcon:

Why are you yelling?

@dynamitecop: People said the same thing with PS3 when it released, it almost sunk the PS brand at 600 bucks. Face it, Xbox fans will have power bragging rights but that's about it. There's not even a guarantee Scorpio will be taken advantage of seeing as Sony has double the install base.

Well to be fair lems did the same thing in the first few years of PS3 making fun of "teh cell" and rightfully so since it was marketed as being powerful and was lower res for multiplats and lacked exclusives in it's first few years, and I agree it made me go buy a 360 for the first 3-4 years since there was barely anything worth getting. Xbox 1 had very few exclusives that warranted the price of it Ryse wasn't that great and Dead Rising was ok sure KI was cool and Forza well if you liked racing it was a good game. But PS4 is running better multiplats which Lems used as a tool in the 360 days as well. Now PS4 has had some great exclusives and so has Xbox but basically MS has admitted the One is less powerful and needed an update in some form which is why we have Scorpio at this point, so it's a back and forth between the two but Sony admitted and rightfully fired the idiot behind PS3 since it was bleeding money from it. Now MS is going in a different direction and well we'll see what the Scorpio brings.

This is a unwinnable war for microsoft.

Sony's just got too much brand, exclusive, developer, consumer gaming power right now. There making a lot of money for themselves and developers.

Microsoft needs something huge to turn this around. Honestly microsoft should have thought about power and talked to devs and gamers before releasing the xbox one that way they would have the strongest system etc and wouldn't be in this mess right now that they created.

It will cost too much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIQgJ5XhnjY

yeah right, look at the x360.

Not to mention microsoft is the leading developper when it comes to development tools for gaming with directx since the end nineties.

Not to mention operating systems as well.

sony is in this business because they had a lot of luck, but luck runs out.

Wonder if Sony will complete the theme they've got going Morpheus, Neo but where's Trinity maybe that could be PS5 but wild speculation on my part.

As for Scorpio it needs to sell at a reasonable price otherwise it will cost MS money and Xbox division does not want to be unprofitable.

I disagree with you I am willing to bet games will begin to run at 720p 60fps on the current systems and 1080p 60fps + extra graphic effects on the new systems. FPS locked will be important though to avoid unfair advantage in multiplayer

They had a chance at the start of this gen to run the table. Scorpio is too little too late imo, as previously stated Xbox is doa outside of NA.

The more I think about it the less likely I believe it will succeed. It's not as if I want Xbox to die off and people lose jobs, that's awful. I just see Microsoft being sore losers and trying to torpedo the idea of console generations by release box after box. Then just try to fill the steambox category.

Maybe I'm reading too much into it but this is Microsoft after all.

Not even remotely true, hense the PS1 and PS2 winning those gens.

No.

No, I remember being a Sony fanboy back in 2006 and trying to make that SAME EXACT argument.

It doesn't work, at all. It may be a great deal for what you're getting, but ultimately it is still priced out of the range of being any kind of commercial success.

This is a particularly serious problem for MS as the "Xbox Exclusive" will soon be functionally dead, everything will be a "Windows exclusive", and for $600 you're approaching the state at which you may as well buy a pre-built gaming PC.

@k--m--k: "Seems more like a headache for developers to port games to more consoles"

Just think about the extra overhead and stress on the already modest/meager 1st party studios. In most cases they now have to develop for 2-3 systems. "One, Scorpio and Pc"

The ps1 was the strongest system by far of its gen because of the 3d chip and cd rom combo. A lot of devs abandoned the n64 because it didn't have enough storage for certain game projects. Other systems like the saturn were not built from the ground up for 3d. So for 3d games the playstation was by far the strongest system, hence its major success.

The ps2 released a lot sooner than the other systems of its gen (besides the dreamcast but I'll get to that later). When the ps2 released the xbox and gamecube was still on the drawing board. Sony also had a major adavantage with this timing because the ps1 was so much better than all the other systems of its gen, so people didn't wait for the other systems.

They also didn't buy the dreamcast because the ps2 was considerably stronger than the existing dreamcast. Prior to the release of the dreamcast sony released the specs of the ps2 and they even exaggerated the specs a bit, making the ps2 seem a lot stronger than it already was compared to the dreamcast.

Sega already had lost a lot if support because of failure after failure with saturn, 32x and sega cd, so the announcement of the ps2 with its superior hardware specs made people reluctant to buy the system. The fact that certain devs abandoned the system (like ea) only made things worse and the bad management of the company was the final nail in the coffin.

A year after the ps2 released the dreamcast was discontinued and the rest is history.

So yeah power is a major factor, it always is. I suppose you never heard of the bit wars ?

I remember when lems said xbone would have more games than PS4 too....lol lems have said some dumb things in the past, it seems nothing has changed.

The Saturn was a more powerful system than the PlayStation in both 2D and 3D, however it was much harder to develop for given its two GPU's, it was also more technologically advanced in its rendering abilities.

The PlayStation couldn't render half-transparent casting shadows nor could it render flat/correct texture mapping which was symetrical on Saturn, it could only do affine texture mapping which made textures appear bent.

yeah sure you can keep your low budget titles and delayed released dates.

The ps4 is the most boring console I had besides the amiga cd32.

@commander:

Is not the same CPU,in fact it says Neo may pack a Zen CPU from AMD,and the leaker who release the info about neo,already is on record on Neogaf claiming that sony had at least 2 Neo Units,that specs still not lock and that also a stronger CPU may be in order.

Using Zen would not break compatibility at all.

1080p is a strain on the GPU not the CPU,resolution is a job of the GPU.

But to answer your question no it would not change anything,people who believe that the PS4 is winning just because of power don't know the industry.

Here and the market are 2 different things.

You mean you suddenly care about power again.?

I remember you on your other accounts always downplaying the graphics gaps.

I don't think so one thing you lemmings refuse to see is that the 480 can do 6TF by just OC,in fact at stock 1266mhz it does 5.83TF which is basically scorpio specs,MS would be incredibly stupid if they chose Vega which has way more CU than polaris 10 only to lower it to polaris 10 specs.

This is why i don't find those specs incredible in any way i am sure sony doesn't either,they know the GPU inside Neo at 1266mhz can get within 120gflops of Scorpio 6TF,just to give you an example the PS4 has 500+ Gflops on the xbox one,so sony arriving at 5.5 TF with speed of 1200 would be in the same gap the xbox one is now vs the PS4.

Another thing you lemmings don't get is that the RX480 not only can pass 6TF OC,but is freaking $200 next month,by holiday 2017 it would be like $130 and basically you would get 6TF like the xbox,i think MS is not being straight forward i think they are lying and probably have something stronger because it just doesn't make sense,to wait 1 year to have 6TF when next month a GPU with that power come out for $199.

In what losing badly.? The PS3,360,xbox,GC,N64 all loss with more power than the market leader on their respective gens.

Sony destroyed all MS conference with just God of war...lol

All this butthurt... Over a console?

Sony came with the rumor of a more powerful console, MS reacted. Fanboys are dissapointed now.

I don't see why it would hurt peeps, Scorpio is meant for the people that want a cheap great gaming platform.

Yes it will dominate in the "console" market in terms of power. It won't sell ass much as the PS4 tough. On the other hand I think this will be a console that will sell great in the long term. Just like the PS3 did. The price will lower every year and people will be tired of having the inferior PS version of their beloved multiplats.

Ohw yes, it will turn the tide in the console wars.

that's why I said that the saturn was not build from the ground up for 3d, they added that second gpu for 3d later on.

So it may have been better on paper but that's useless if devs can't use it. If I recall correctly they used similar hardware as in their arcade machines. That works great if you're building one game, but that's not how the console business works.

Definitely impressed w/ the specs, nice move, MS. However, I doubt this will have much sway over hardware sales. Price and games are tantamount to appealing to the larger crowd, this is something I feel Ms is not focusing enough attention on.

So, we are getting info that the new more powerful Xbox Scorpio will in fact have no advantage (frame rate) over the old One.

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2016/06/14/there-wouldnt-be-a-frame-rate-difference-between-xbox-one-and-scorpio-says-microsofts-shannon-lofits.aspx

What a total waste of HW, time and money.

I stand corrected.

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