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#1 White_wolf_eye
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whenevr i mention something here in system wars about MGS4 there is always a giant group of people telling me it was crap and that there was no gameplay.....um what? It has one of the best gameplay in my opinion and great graphics, next to KZ2 its problably the best there is. You haters can keep on hating on a game you found complex to understand, MGS4 was ment for those who played the other games the best, while you did really NEED to play teh others to understand teh basics of the story, it was explained alot, honestly, i tihnk MGS4 is the GREATEST GAME EVER MADE!! There we go, come on fanboys, lemmings, gimme ur best shot.

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#2 Lethalhazard
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Anything that begins to get popular will end up being hated on.
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#3 Miroku32
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Alot of 360 fanboys are just angry that Hideo Kojima made Metal Gear Solid 4 a ps3 exclusive. Just ignore them, they are jealous that the 360 didnt get that game.

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#4 bronxxbombers
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Its pretty much general consensus(spelling) even among lemmings that its a good game. 10.00 rating? Maybe not, but its at least a AAAE.
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#5 White_wolf_eye
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Alot of 360 fanboys are just angry that Hideo Kojima made Metal Gear Solid 4 a ps3 exclusive. Just ignore them, they are jealous that the 360 didnt get that game.

Miroku32

I bet rising is going to be mike MGS2 playing as raiden :l

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#6 funsohng
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because it just didnt have a boss battle as amazing as MGS3 and the cutscene length and story itself was not even good as MGS3 and you can play as a rambo soldier blowing up everything (altho u can go stealth all the way) and EVA looks old and that Ocelot gif i still loved it tho
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#7 EndorphinMaster
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Ok. Now why don't you go make a same thread about Halo 3.

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#8 White_wolf_eye
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Ok. Now why don't you go make a same thread about Halo 3.

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Halo 3 is the exact opposite of what MGS4 is in.

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#9 SilverChimera
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1. It's exclusive 2. It's popular 3. "It's just a movie!"
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#10 Miroku32
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I dont see that the new Metal Gear having Raiden as the protagonist will even come close to the Metal Gears with Solid and Naked Snake. Raiden isn't my favorite character but I also don't hate him, just I dont think he would be good as a protagonist.

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#11 EndorphinMaster
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[QUOTE="EndorphinMaster"]

Ok. Now why don't you go make a same thread about Halo 3.

White_wolf_eye

Halo 3 is the exact opposite of what MGS4 is in.

Right...:lol: Well, on behalf of the world of gaming I apologize to you for the unbearable amount of MGS4 hate that drove you into creating a thread demanding justice for the supposed "best game ever created".

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#12 EndorphinMaster
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I dont see that the new Metal Gear having Raiden as the protagonist will even come close to the Metal Gears with Solid and Naked Snake. Raiden isn't my favorite character but I also don't hate him, just I dont think he would be good as a protagonist.

Miroku32

But I'm sure it would have been the coolest idea ever if it were PS3 exclusive. Darn Kojima for teh betrayal!!

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#13 White_wolf_eye
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I dont see that the new Metal Gear having Raiden as the protagonist will even come close to the Metal Gears with Solid and Naked Snake. Raiden isn't my favorite character but I also don't hate him, just I dont think he would be good as a protagonist.

Miroku32

Its going to be a hack and slash game playing as raiden, unlike the original MGS way, stealth!! and thats why its going to bad. (well maybe not thta bad but its not going to be that good)

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#14 OreoMilkshake
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If it's popular or on the Wii it's going to get hated on.
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#15 monson21502
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all exclusives get extra hate. though alot hatted all the movie part of the game. something i dont blame them for

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Because it's exclusive and the greatest game of this generation.

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#17 Eazy1891
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funny how every fanboy was talking bad about it when it first came out and saying it sucked yet when there was all that talk about it coming to 360 everyone who had a 360 just kept getting all crazy about i and were shoving it in PS3 owners faces...then it turns out it isnt coming out but rising is so than for a whole 24 hours they shoved that n our faces than konamis press coference states that ts also on the PS3 now all the sudden its back to MGS4 was crap and no one cares about it....at least they still have gears and mass effect but now everyone is talking about the next ne coming out for PS3...

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whenevr i mention something here in system wars about MGS4 there is always a giant group of people telling me it was crap and that there was no gameplay.....um what? It has one of the best gameplay in my opinion and great graphics, next to KZ2 its problably the best there is. You haters can keep on hating on a game you found complex to understand, MGS4 was ment for those who played the other games the best, while you did really NEED to play teh others to understand teh basics of the story, it was explained alot, honestly, i tihnk MGS4 is the GREATEST GAME EVER MADE!! There we go, come on fanboys, lemmings, gimme ur best shot.

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This is why every hated game, gets hate. Fanboys of a specific game start overhyping the game to unbelievable levels, and some people in response start to hate on it to piss the fanboys.

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#19 bronxxbombers
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[QUOTE="White_wolf_eye"]

[QUOTE="EndorphinMaster"]

Ok. Now why don't you go make a same thread about Halo 3.

Halo 3 is the exact opposite of what MGS4 is in.

yes it is. Most lemmings atdmit MSG4 is good, but cows cant admit Halo 3 is good.
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#20 Sword-Demon
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Loved the game, even though theres around 5 hours of gameplay

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[QUOTE="bronxxbombers"][QUOTE="White_wolf_eye"]

[QUOTE="EndorphinMaster"]

Ok. Now why don't you go make a same thread about Halo 3.

Halo 3 is the exact opposite of what MGS4 is in.

yes it is. Most lemmings atdmit MSG4 is good, but cows cant admit Halo 3 is good.

I can! As a person who only owns a PS3 and thinks it is superior to any other console, I can say that Halo is a fantastic game. Very fun. Great at parties. Single player could use work though. I gave it a 9.5 I believe.... MGS4 was better though.
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#22 Miroku32
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A hack and slash game? No way, I had enough with the Force Unleashed. Even if it was a ps3 exclusive I wouldn't never buy that game. Sorry for Konami.
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#23 White_wolf_eye
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[QUOTE="White_wolf_eye"]

[QUOTE="EndorphinMaster"]

Ok. Now why don't you go make a same thread about Halo 3.

bronxxbombers

Halo 3 is the exact opposite of what MGS4 is in.

yes it is. Most lemmings atdmit MSG4 is good, but cows cant admit Halo 3 is good.

I aint saying halo 3 was bad or anything, but its incredibly overrrated.

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#24 slvrraven9
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Alot of 360 fanboys are just angry that Hideo Kojima made Metal Gear Solid 4 a ps3 exclusive. Just ignore them, they are jealous that the 360 didnt get that game.

Miroku32
yep, there we go. the "360 ers are jealous claim". how about trying something else now. that excuse is so tired dude. why dont you tell that to the PS3 players that felt the game was terrible also
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#25 -Pred-Alien-
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It isnt for everyone. And offcourse, its AAAAE so the fanboys are jealous.
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#26 Hanass
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Graphics are way overhyped. I thought my PS3 was broken when I first saw the fricken game on my TV.

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#27 imaps3fanboy
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All I got to say is MGS4 is the best game Ive ever played.

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#28 CAlNlAC
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Well I thought it was a good game but I just didn't think it was as good as MGS3.

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#29 White_wolf_eye
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All I got to say is MGS4 is the best game Ive ever played.

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#30 dragonfly110
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because it is a popular exclusive and people are jealous?

although tbh Im not a huge fan of MGS4 myself but I dont hate on the game the only complaint i had about it was how ridiculously long the cut scenes were in it almost half of them couldve retained just as epic of a feel if they had been shortened down by at least 10 minutes.

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[QUOTE="White_wolf_eye"]

[QUOTE="bronxxbombers"][QUOTE="White_wolf_eye"]

Halo 3 is the exact opposite of what MGS4 is in.

yes it is. Most lemmings atdmit MSG4 is good, but cows cant admit Halo 3 is good.

I aint saying halo 3 was bad or anything, but its incredibly overrrated.

Its no more overrated then MSG4 is.
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Because it's exclusive and the greatest game of this generation.

-Skyfall
Overration (:P) like this is one good reason.
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#33 SilverChimera
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[QUOTE="White_wolf_eye"]

[QUOTE="bronxxbombers"] yes it is. Most lemmings atdmit MSG4 is good, but cows cant admit Halo 3 is good.bronxxbombers

I aint saying halo 3 was bad or anything, but its incredibly overrrated.

Its no more overrated then MSG4 is.

neither of them are overrated. halo 3 deserves the 9.5 while mgs4 deserves the 10
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#34 EndorphinMaster
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[QUOTE="White_wolf_eye"]

[QUOTE="EndorphinMaster"]

Ok. Now why don't you go make a same thread about Halo 3.

bronxxbombers

Halo 3 is the exact opposite of what MGS4 is in.

yes it is. Most lemmings atdmit MSG4 is good, but cows cant admit Halo 3 is good.

Hating Halo 3 is like a religion for them.

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#35 EndorphinMaster
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[QUOTE="bronxxbombers"][QUOTE="White_wolf_eye"]

Halo 3 is the exact opposite of what MGS4 is in.

White_wolf_eye

yes it is. Most lemmings atdmit MSG4 is good, but cows cant admit Halo 3 is good.

I aint saying halo 3 was bad or anything, but its incredibly overrrated.

Even more overrated than MGS4? :shock:

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The gameplay is the highlight. My issue is with how childish and over-indulgent the story is, and how ham-fistedly it is told. People like to tout it as some amazing story experience, but really, it's no better than the other Metal Gear games. It's actually probably worse, because it's even LESS concise. The game-play itself was indeed top-notch however. It's what the MGS games have been working towards the entire time. Just a shame the story had run its course by the time it came around. EDIT: I sometimes consider that MGS4 is overrated, but then I look on GameRankings and am reminded that GTAIV, LBP, BioShock, Street Fighter IV, the Gears of War games, Halo 3, The Orange Box, and Call of Duty 4 all have better cumulated scores and my heart breathes a sigh of content.
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#37 GunSmith1_basic
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mgs4 is the best game this gen. There's tons of replay. Kojima also has a great sense of humour and a great sense of fun. There are some stages I enjoy playing again and again. So much toys to play with
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#38 bronxxbombers
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[QUOTE="bronxxbombers"][QUOTE="White_wolf_eye"]

I aint saying halo 3 was bad or anything, but its incredibly overrrated.

SilverChimera

Its no more overrated then MSG4 is.

neither of them are overrated. halo 3 deserves the 9.5 while mgs4 deserves the 10

For the most part i have to agree with you. However, I personally think NO game should ever be a ten. Ten is perfection, no game will ever be perfect. If i had to rate MSG 4(from the things I've heard) I'd say a 9.8, just that the stroy was a little weaker then others.

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#39 sillaris
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mgs4 is the best one do far

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#40 SilverChimera
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[QUOTE="SilverChimera"][QUOTE="bronxxbombers"] Its no more overrated then MSG4 is.bronxxbombers

neither of them are overrated. halo 3 deserves the 9.5 while mgs4 deserves the 10

For the most part i have to agree with you. However, I personally think NO game should ever be a ten. Ten is perfection, no game will ever be perfect. If i had to rate MSG 4(from the things I've heard) I'd say a 9.8, just that the stroy was a little weaker then others.

i thought 10 was prime and not perfect? but anyway, i think MGS4 does deserve a ten. the entertainment is just amazing. it combines the 2 best forms of entertainment (storytelling and gameplay) into one experience. i can't judge the story with the others because I haven't played the others enough (played a lot of MGS3. sniper boss was fun) to judge the story. but for me almost all stories in all games in general are great, it's just the storytelling which makes or breaks it. and MGS4 nails it. halo 3? well the single player is solid. and the multiplayer is just insanely good. 9.5 worthy.
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[QUOTE="bronxxbombers"]

[QUOTE="SilverChimera"] neither of them are overrated. halo 3 deserves the 9.5 while mgs4 deserves the 10SilverChimera

For the most part i have to agree with you. However, I personally think NO game should ever be a ten. Ten is perfection, no game will ever be perfect. If i had to rate MSG 4(from the things I've heard) I'd say a 9.8, just that the stroy was a little weaker then others.

i thought 10 was prime and not perfect? but anyway, i think MGS4 does deserve a ten. the entertainment is just amazing. it combines the 2 best forms of entertainment (storytelling and gameplay) into one experience. i can't judge the story with the others because I haven't played the others enough (played a lot of MGS3. sniper boss was fun) to judge the story. but for me almost all stories in all games in general are great, it's just the storytelling which makes or breaks it. and MGS4 nails it. halo 3? well the single player is solid. and the multiplayer is just insanely good. 9.5 worthy.

It needs a story at halo 1's level, then it gets a 10 from me 9.5 for now, from me as well.

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The reason I don't really want MGS4 is because the story consumes the gameplay. Sure, Good story is good but less gameplay than story is bad. I watched someone play the game (on youtube). I found myself skipping alot of the video and sometimes 3 or 4 videos in a row. I'm not really interest in most stories in games (because most of the best games I've played have a really bad story) and am even more turned off by the fact that the story is more important than the game. Too each is own and this defiantly isn't my cup o' tea. MGS3 looks like the only MGS I would love. I love survival games, movies shows so that looks good.

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The reason I don't really want MGS4 is because the story consumes the gameplay. Sure, Good story is good but less gameplay than story is bad. I watched someone play the game (on youtube). I found myself skipping alot of the video and sometimes 3 or 4 videos in a row. I'm not really interest in most stories in games (because most of the best games I've played have a really bad story) and am even more turned off by the fact that the story is more important than the game. Too each is own and this defiantly isn't my cup o' tea. MGS3 looks like the only MGS I would love. I love survival games, movies shows so that looks good.

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#44 bronxxbombers
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[QUOTE="SilverChimera"][QUOTE="bronxxbombers"]

neither of them are overrated. halo 3 deserves the 9.5 while mgs4 deserves the 10SilverChimera
For the most part i have to agree with you. However, I personally think NO game should ever be a ten. Ten is perfection, no game will ever be perfect. If i had to rate MSG 4(from the things I've heard) I'd say a 9.8, just that the stroy was a little weaker then others.

i thought 10 was prime and not perfect? but anyway, i think MGS4 does deserve a ten. the entertainment is just amazing. it combines the 2 best forms of entertainment (storytelling and gameplay) into one experience. i can't judge the story with the others because I haven't played the others enough (played a lot of MGS3. sniper boss was fun) to judge the story. but for me almost all stories in all games in general are great, it's just the storytelling which makes or breaks it. and MGS4 nails it. halo 3? well the single player is solid. and the multiplayer is just insanely good. 9.5 worthy.

Well, I pretty much agree with everything you say. MGS 4 is probaly better then Halo 3. I take back my 9.8 and accept it as an AAAAE
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[QUOTE="SilverChimera"][QUOTE="bronxxbombers"] For the most part i have to agree with you. However, I personally think NO game should ever be a ten. Ten is perfection, no game will ever be perfect. If i had to rate MSG 4(from the things I've heard) I'd say a 9.8, just that the stroy was a little weaker then others.

bronxxbombers

i thought 10 was prime and not perfect? but anyway, i think MGS4 does deserve a ten. the entertainment is just amazing. it combines the 2 best forms of entertainment (storytelling and gameplay) into one experience. i can't judge the story with the others because I haven't played the others enough (played a lot of MGS3. sniper boss was fun) to judge the story. but for me almost all stories in all games in general are great, it's just the storytelling which makes or breaks it. and MGS4 nails it. halo 3? well the single player is solid. and the multiplayer is just insanely good. 9.5 worthy.

Well, I pretty much agree with everything you say. MGS 4 is probaly better then Halo 3. I take back my 9.8 and accept it as an AAAAE

I will say though that halo 3 has MUCH more replayability, so I dunno now, both are great.

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[QUOTE="SilverChimera"][QUOTE="bronxxbombers"] For the most part i have to agree with you. However, I personally think NO game should ever be a ten. Ten is perfection, no game will ever be perfect. If i had to rate MSG 4(from the things I've heard) I'd say a 9.8, just that the stroy was a little weaker then others.

bronxxbombers

i thought 10 was prime and not perfect? but anyway, i think MGS4 does deserve a ten. the entertainment is just amazing. it combines the 2 best forms of entertainment (storytelling and gameplay) into one experience. i can't judge the story with the others because I haven't played the others enough (played a lot of MGS3. sniper boss was fun) to judge the story. but for me almost all stories in all games in general are great, it's just the storytelling which makes or breaks it. and MGS4 nails it. halo 3? well the single player is solid. and the multiplayer is just insanely good. 9.5 worthy.

Well, I pretty much agree with everything you say. MGS 4 is probaly better then Halo 3. I take back my 9.8 and accept it as an AAAAE

its a great experience :D. worth buying a ps3 for.

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#47 Miroku32
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For online play? MGS4 has also online play and I find more fun playing the game again for getting those awards. There are some crazy bullets that Debrin sells that do some funny effects to the ones you shoot with them. Also there some unlockable stuff if you play again.

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#48 GunSmith1_basic
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For online play? MGS4 has also online play and I find more fun playing the game again for getting those awards. There are some crazy bullets that Debrin sells that do some funny effects to the ones you shoot with them. Also there some unlockable stuff if you play again.

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i like how when you beat the game you keep the weapons including the voodoo doll things, which you bring to the praying mantis fight! lol Also the mood altering darts are cool
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#49 Riverwolf007
Member since 2005 • 26023 Posts

i won't hate on it but it is still sitting on a shelf waiting to get finished because i found the game too uninteresting to carry on after a few hours

i know i'm in the minority here and that's fine i'm more than happy to say that i'm the weird one but

there is just something about the bald smoking monkey and the poop jokes that i found so lame that i just decided to not carry on since i had things to play that were more interesting to me

i think i like my humor a little more subtle and they want to smash you over the head with obvious stuff and in-jokes

anyway the game is full of quality that's easy to see but the convoluted J-writing/storytelling style just seems so old fashioned and boring that i decided to just plug away at it when i find myself in a game drought and that has not happened yet

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#50 bronxxbombers
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[QUOTE="bronxxbombers"][QUOTE="SilverChimera"] i thought 10 was prime and not perfect? but anyway, i think MGS4 does deserve a ten. the entertainment is just amazing. it combines the 2 best forms of entertainment (storytelling and gameplay) into one experience. i can't judge the story with the others because I haven't played the others enough (played a lot of MGS3. sniper boss was fun) to judge the story. but for me almost all stories in all games in general are great, it's just the storytelling which makes or breaks it. and MGS4 nails it. halo 3? well the single player is solid. and the multiplayer is just insanely good. 9.5 worthy.SilverChimera

Well, I pretty much agree with everything you say. MGS 4 is probaly better then Halo 3. I take back my 9.8 and accept it as an AAAAE

its a great experience :D. worth buying a ps3 for.

Beleive me, if it goes down to 300, and its a slim, I betcha I'll be able to pick up a old PS3 off ebay, real cheap, and I really want to buy one, so im hoping for one.