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#1 Javy03
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I get that most people don't have 3D capability but that shouldn't stop a reviewer from giving the audience a good idea of the 3D quality of a game. I mean theoretically not everyone has a TV that can play a game in 1080p or even in HD yet they spend ample time on visual presentation which means little to the person that playsgames onan SDTV.

I am new to the whole 3D gaming thing and so far it has been a blast, especially with GOW: origins which was SICK in 3D. But I have found that 3D quality for games varies as much as anything else (I am looking at you crappy 3D version of Sly Cooper collection) and it would be nice if reviewers took the time to mention it's quality as well, seeing as it's yet another thing that can immerse a player into a game enhancing the overall gaming experience.

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#2 mmmwksil
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Never noticed the lack of 3D mention, to be honest. Still, if you say it's missing in many reviews, perhaps it should be touched upon.

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#3 mattuk69
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PC had 3D years before console and reviews didn't care about it.

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#4 Johnny_Rock
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Because it's still considered a fad.

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#5 atc-fanatic
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i agree with you fully tc! i just purchased a 3dtv this summer and i like it but the reviewers dont even mention even if the games have a 3d option. let alone 3d implementation in which some games work and look excellent and others tacked on.

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#6 atc-fanatic
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Because it's still considered a fad.

Johnny_Rock

same thing can be said about gaming!

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#7 Johnny_Rock
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[QUOTE="Johnny_Rock"]

Because it's still considered a fad.

atc-fanatic

same thing can be said about gaming!

Not even close. The video ghame industry has been bringing in more money than the motion picture industry for over a decade. It's over 20 years old and it's well beyond fad status.

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#8 deactivated-5e9044657a310
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Not enough people have the Capability to make it relevant to the general public. Plus it's stupid. Every movie I've ever gone to see in 3D I enjoyed better when I finally got to watch it in my own home. Except for Jackass 3D
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#9 Riverwolf007
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I get that most people don't have 3D capability but that shouldn't stop a reviewer from giving the audience a good idea of the 3D quality of a game. I mean theoretically not everyone has a TV that can play a game in 1080p or even in HD yet they spend ample time on visual presentation which means little to the person that playsgames onan SDTV.

I am new to the whole 3D gaming thing and so far it has been a blast, especially with GOW: origins which was SICK in 3D. But I have found that 3D quality for games varies as much as anything else (I am looking at you crappy 3D version of Sly Cooper collection) and it would be nice if reviewers took the time to mention it's quality as well, seeing as it's yet another thing that can immerse a player into a game enhancing the overall gaming experience.

Javy03

i agree 3d quality varies highly and it would be nice to see it at least touched on.

i thought crysis 2 and motorstorm had terrible 3d and killzone had great 3d yet you never get any information on 3d quality at all.

it's probably because reviewers do not have the equipment to see the 3d versions or something.

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#10 deactivated-57ad0e5285d73
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GT5 and Tumble are greatly enhanced by 3D.

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#11 XaosII
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PC had 3D years before console and reviews didn't care about it.

mattuk69

This. 3D has been available for years on nearly every single PC game. Reviewers never talk about it. its mostly a gimmick.

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#12 Kinthalis
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[QUOTE="atc-fanatic"]

[QUOTE="Johnny_Rock"]

Because it's still considered a fad.

Johnny_Rock

same thing can be said about gaming!

Not even close. The video ghame industry has been bringing in more money than the motion picture industry for over a decade. It's over 20 years old and it's well beyond fad status.

It hasn't been for over a decade, this just happenned a few years ago... and it's not relaly true.

It's bringing in more money than the movie industry does PURELY on theater ticket sales. But the movie industry is a LOT more than that (licensing deals, DVD's, merchandising, etc) and including all those things, it's still bigger than gaming. Although that might change int he future too ;)

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#13 donalbane
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PC had 3D years before console and reviews didn't care about it.

mattuk69

There's a notable difference between the quality of 3D that has been available on PCs for the past few years and the quality of a game designed from the ground up to work on modern hardware.

For the minority of you in this thread who actually are interested in the 3D implementation of PS3 games, check out iWaggle.com... the guy is fantastic at covering all the Move and 3D features on all PS3 software.

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#14 MFDOOM1983
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Because it impacts the visuals and performance in most games negatively.
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#15 Blueresident87
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[QUOTE="Johnny_Rock"]

Because it's still considered a fad.

atc-fanatic

same thing can be said about gaming!

I'm not sure if this could be more untrue.
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#16 foxhound_fox
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Because barely anyone cares about it?
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#17 dontshackzmii
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3d is way better then 2d. After getting my 3ds 2d games just look flate to me.

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#18 p4s2p0
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PC had 3D years before console and reviews didn't care about it.

mattuk69

That's because it never made it mainstream, and games weren't made in 3d

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#19 p4s2p0
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[QUOTE="mattuk69"]

PC had 3D years before console and reviews didn't care about it.

XaosII

This. 3D has been available for years on nearly every single PC game. Reviewers never talk about it. its mostly a gimmick.

While 3d works on 2d games it's not the same as game made in 3d. With all the 3d devices(tv,phone/3ds) out now its not a gimmick anymore

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#20 MFDOOM1983
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3d is way better then 2d. After getting my 3ds 2d games just look flate to me.

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#21 donalbane
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[QUOTE="XaosII"]

[QUOTE="mattuk69"]

PC had 3D years before console and reviews didn't care about it.

p4s2p0

This. 3D has been available for years on nearly every single PC game. Reviewers never talk about it. its mostly a gimmick.

While 3d works on 2d games it's not the same as game made in 3d.

We can keep saying the obvious over and over, but people that don't have 3D tvs haven't experienced what we're discussing, and therefore have no understanding of it.

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#22 p4s2p0
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3d is way better then 2d. After getting my 3ds 2d games just look flate to me.

dontshackzmii

That's cool but 3d isn't for everyone. Only thing I like about 3d is the appearance of faster motion but other than that I know its just 2 of the same images with separation, an illusion anotherwords.

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#23 ni6htmare01
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I'm going to buy a 3D TV with in 2 weeks just so I can play Uncharted 3 with 3D. (not joking here.)

PS.. are there any accessories I need to get beside 3d glasses??

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#24 donalbane
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I'm going to buy a 3D TV with in 2 weeks just so I can play Uncharted 3 with 3D. (not joking here.)

PS.. are there any accessories I need to get beside 3d glasses??

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Get some jazz cigarettes, a liter bottle of mountain dew, and some Pringles. I recommend "Taco Night" flavor lol.

But seriously, you may need to order an HDMI 1.4 cable. Just go to amazon.com and order their brand of 'High Speed HDMI' cable. They are cheap, and work like a champ.

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#25 ni6htmare01
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[QUOTE="ni6htmare01"]

I'm going to buy a 3D TV with in 2 weeks just so I can play Uncharted 3 with 3D. (not joking here.)

PS.. are there any accessories I need to get beside 3d glasses??

donalbane

Get some jazz cigarettes, a liter bottle of mountain dew, and some Pringles. I recommend "Taco Night" flavor lol.

lol! I take that as no accessories needed beside the 3D glasses

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#26 donalbane
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[QUOTE="donalbane"][QUOTE="ni6htmare01"]

I'm going to buy a 3D TV with in 2 weeks just so I can play Uncharted 3 with 3D. (not joking here.)

PS.. are there any accessories I need to get beside 3d glasses??

ni6htmare01

Get some jazz cigarettes, a liter bottle of mountain dew, and some Pringles. I recommend "Taco Night" flavor lol.

lol! I take that as no accessories needed beside the 3D glasses

I actually edited my comment to include that you may need a high speed (HDMI 1.4) cable.

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#27 ni6htmare01
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[QUOTE="ni6htmare01"]

[QUOTE="donalbane"] Get some jazz cigarettes, a liter bottle of mountain dew, and some Pringles. I recommend "Taco Night" flavor lol.donalbane

Cool.. nices tip! thanks!!

lol! I take that as no accessories needed beside the 3D glasses

I actually edited my comment to include that you may need a high speed (HDMI 1.4) cable.

Cool! thanks for the info

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#28 DarkGamer007
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[QUOTE="atc-fanatic"]

[QUOTE="Johnny_Rock"]

Because it's still considered a fad.

Johnny_Rock

same thing can be said about gaming!

Not even close. The video ghame industry has been bringing in more money than the motion picture industry for over a decade. It's over 20 years old and it's well beyond fad status.

3D is 173 old, I would say that is well beyond the realm of a fad. ;)

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#29 donalbane
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[QUOTE="ni6htmare01"]

[QUOTE="donalbane"]

[QUOTE="ni6htmare01"]

Cool.. nices tip! thanks!!

lol! I take that as no accessories needed beside the 3D glasses

I actually edited my comment to include that you may need a high speed (HDMI 1.4) cable.

Cool! thanks for the info

Check your PM inbox... I sent you some links to some stuff you may consider picking up.
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#30 3KindgomsRandy
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Lack of interest amongst consumers I'd guess.

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#31 Javy03
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I see a lot of people typing in "Because nobody cares or because few people have a 3DTV".

Well the truth is reviewers constantly nit pick and talk about every minute addition or detail in a game whether they effect gamers or not. These are the same people that will compare 360 and PS3 multiplats by zooming in frames in a situation that would never exist in a gaming situation to freeze the picture and nitpick a jaggie here or there. As I said not everyone cares that the PS3 version or 360 version has slightly better AA or detail, especially if they are gaming on an SDTV or only own one system. I actually think that 3D capability is a pretty big feature to omit. I mean it's advertised right there on the box and many huge games are using it like Batman Arkham City, Uncharted 3, etc.

I don't really see a good reason for ignoring a huge feature that gamers may use. I would like to know the 3D image quality of a game and I know I am not alone.

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#32 donalbane
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[QUOTE="Javy03"]

I see a lot of people typing in "Because nobody cares or because few people have a 3DTV".

Well the truth is reviewers constantly nit pick and talk about every minute addition or detail in a game whether they effect gamers or not. These are the same people that will compare 360 and PS3 multiplats by zooming in frames in a situation that would never exist in a gamingsituation to freeze the picture andnitpick a jaggie here or there. As I said not everyone cares that the PS3 version or 360 version has slightly better AA or detailespecially if they are gaming on anSDTV or only own one system. I actually think that 3D capability is a pretty big feature to omit. I mean it's advertised right there on the box and many huge games are using it like Batman Arkham City, Uncharted 3, etc.

I don't really see a good reason for ignoring a huge feature that gamers may use. I would like to know the 3D image quality of a game and I know I am not alone.

Yay, a voice of reason. Too bad nobody cares about us early adopters... not even the reviewers who are ostensibly paid to care. I would start reviewing games again since a big reason I buy many games these days is the 3D, but unfortunately, nobody would read them.
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#33 Javy03
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Lack of interest amongst consumers I'd guess.

3KindgomsRandy

Yea, but as a reviewer they can't just pick and choose what to ignore. Especially if it wouldn't add much work. It's as simple as using an IN GAME MODE for 3D and determining if they think the image is great or not. They don't have to play the WHOLE game in 3D. Just give us an idea of depth.

Besides, if the gaming industry is interested in 3D enough to spend the money converting their games to support it, making a 3D handheldand advertise their 3D capability how can any self respecting gaming review site ignore what the gaming industry is supporting.

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#34 donalbane
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[QUOTE="3KindgomsRandy"]

Lack of interest amongst consumers I'd guess.

Javy03

Yea, but as a reviewer they can't just pick and choose what to ignore. Especially if it wouldn't add much work. It's as simple as using an IN GAME MODE for 3D and determining if they think the image is great or not. They don't have to play the WHOLE game in 3D. Just give us an idea of depth.

Besides, if the gaming industry is interested in 3D enough to spend the money converting their games to support it, making a 3D handheldand advertise their 3D capability how can any self respecting gaming review site ignore what the gaming industry is supporting.

I find that a lot of reviews give an incredibly brief one sentence mention of the feature, but I think it's time we started seeing a whole paragraph.

EDIT: and when they do mention it, it's as though they are speaking to people WITHOUT 3D equipment. They say things like, "It's a nice feature if you have a 3DTV, but it won't ruin your experience if you play it the conventional way." Well, no kidding! How about some mention of cross talk?

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#35 ni6htmare01
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Batman Arkham City is 3D capable? Cool! looks like I can try it before Uncharted 3 :)

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#36 donalbane
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Batman Arkham City is 3D capable? Cool! looks like I can try it before Uncharted 3 :)

ni6htmare01
Yeah, it's cool. So is Black Ops, Crysis 2, Killzone 3, and practically all of the PS3 remakes they have just released.
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#37 Javy03
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I find that a lot of reviews give an incredibly brief one sentence mention of the feature, but I think it's time we started seeing a whole paragraph.

EDIT: and when they do mention it, it's as though they are speaking to people WITHOUT 3D equipment. They say things like, "It's a nice feature if you have a 3DTV, but it won't ruin your experience if you play it the conventional way." Well, no kidding! How about some mention of cross talk?

donalbane

I agree. As I said, it doesn't have to take up the whole review but a brief paragraph that mentions an ingamefeature is not unrealistic to ask for. I mean it's part of the visual presentation that they spend so much time on in reviews anyways.

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#38 ni6htmare01
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[QUOTE="ni6htmare01"]

Batman Arkham City is 3D capable? Cool! looks like I can try it before Uncharted 3 :)

donalbane

Yeah, it's cool. So is Black Ops, Crysis 2, Killzone 3, and practically all of the PS3 remakes they have just released.

nice! can't wait to try them all!! Anyway I think you guys are right. the reviwers should look into it and count it as part of the reviews.

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#39 phantomblade220
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If that upcoming 3D monitor from Sony gets a price drop I'll jump on it. 500 bucks is just to steep for me now that I have to pay for college to.

But I agree that 3D quality should be included somewhere in the review.

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#40 Javy03
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[QUOTE="phantomblade220"]

If that upcoming 3D monitor from Sony gets a price drop I'll jump on it. 500 bucks is just to steep for me now that I have to pay for college to.

But I agree that 3D quality should be included somewhere in the review.

Dude, honestly you can go buy yourself a 37-40 inch vizio that supports passive 3D for around the same price or a little more then Sony's 19 incher(or something like that).
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#41 Fizzman
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Because 3D gaming is a big joke and no one cares about it?

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#42 donalbane
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Because 3D gaming is a big joke and no one cares about it?

Fizzman

Thanks for trolling! Here's a 3D troll for you.

3d Troll

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#43 Javy03
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Because 3D gaming is a big joke and no one cares about it?

Fizzman
As I said, with games like Uncharted 3, Killzone 3, Batman Arkham City, etc. it's obvious that the gaming industry cares enough to add and invest in it. Why is it a big joke? If anything 3D gaming would be an easy transition (minus the whole buying new equipment part). I mean people wanna get immersed in a game so bad they are willing to buy a controller with two buttons and swing it around, why would being able to play a game with a normal controller in 3D be such a crazy idea. All games are pretty much made in 3D in the computer so converting it would be cake (the same reasons why CG movies make the best 3D movies). And the best part is I honestly believe good 3D could easily immerse you more in any genre, imagine a good FPS in 3D in single player mode with bullets flying right at you.
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#44 Fizzman
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[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

Because 3D gaming is a big joke and no one cares about it?

donalbane

Thanks for trolling! Here's a 3D troll for you.

How am i trolling? 3D is a fad thats already dying.

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#45 Fizzman
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[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

Because 3D gaming is a big joke and no one cares about it?

Javy03

As I said, with games like Uncharted 3, Killzone 3, Batman Arkham City, etc. it's obvious that the gaming industry cares enough to add and invest in it. Why is it a big joke? If anything 3D gaming would be an easy transition (minus the whole buying new equipment part). I mean people wanna get immersed in a game so bad they are willing to buy a controller with two buttons and swing it around, why would being able to play a game with a normal controller in 3D be such a crazy idea. All games are pretty much made in 3D in the computer so converting it would be cake (the same reasons why CG movies make the best 3D movies). And the best part is I honestly believe good 3D could easily immerse you more in any genre, imagine a good FPS in 3D in single player mode with bullets flying right at you.

Sony has no choice to push it because they have so much invested in it. They know its terrible too, but they are already too committed to back out now.

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#46 donalbane
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[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

[QUOTE="donalbane"]

[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

Because 3D gaming is a big joke and no one cares about it?

Thanks for trolling! Here's a 3D troll for you.

How am i trolling? 3D is a fad thats already dying.

Because there are clearly people in the thread that care, and you are being extraordinarily dismissive. If you had, say, just spoken for yourself, it wouldn't have been a troll move.
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#47 Javy03
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Sony has no choice to push it because they have so much invested in it. They know its terrible too, but they are already too committed to back out now.

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Except 3D isn't exclusive to Sony or the PS3. Many 3rd party devs are including 3D in their games like the developer for the games, Green Lantern, Thor, Batman Arkham City, Captain America, Enslaved, COD: Black Ops, Sonic Generations, etc. Heck there are even some 360 exclusives that support 3D like GeoW 3.

The video game industry is supporting it, it's already in many of the games we own, why can't we get a review for a feature many have and some use.

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#48 Bread_or_Decide
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Actually reviewers don't mention the HD aspect anymore because everyone owns an HDTV. Also 3D has so little to do with the game why bring it up?
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#49 Bread_or_Decide
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[QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="Fizzman"]

Because 3D gaming is a big joke and no one cares about it?

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As I said, with games like Uncharted 3, Killzone 3, Batman Arkham City, etc. it's obvious that the gaming industry cares enough to add and invest in it. Why is it a big joke? If anything 3D gaming would be an easy transition (minus the whole buying new equipment part). I mean people wanna get immersed in a game so bad they are willing to buy a controller with two buttons and swing it around, why would being able to play a game with a normal controller in 3D be such a crazy idea. All games are pretty much made in 3D in the computer so converting it would be cake (the same reasons why CG movies make the best 3D movies). And the best part is I honestly believe good 3D could easily immerse you more in any genre, imagine a good FPS in 3D in single player mode with bullets flying right at you.

Sony has no choice to push it because they have so much invested in it. They know its terrible too, but they are already too committed to back out now.

What? How much do they have invested in it? It's not like 3D is the primary feature on the PS3 (unlike the 3DS.)
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Cause 3D on consoles sucks. They always have super low resolutions and are jaggied to hell. Only game on console that does it well is GT5.