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#1 PS3Graphix
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square is well known for its CGI's and cutscene graphics that are better than their in game graphics ever since FF7.

every FF since 7 has tried to fool people with CGI, or doctored cutscene graphics into thinking the whole game will look that way.

So when Square shows a lavish trailer like FF13's i dont see why people are taking it seriously. Most likely we will not see those graphics in game, at most we will see them in UNplayable cutscenes, or worst case scenario they are CGI.

There is no reason we have to trust square enix considering there long history of advertising CGI in their trailers.

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#2 FireXero
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Maybe we beleive them because they confirmed that the intro of the trailer was CGI but the parts where the girls is fighting is gameplay? do some research
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#3 mlbslugger86
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i don't know about the graphics part,but i do know that final fantasy has alot of long cgi cutscenes.
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Maybe because we have played the previous series unlike others >.>
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#5 mistykal5
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square is well known for its CGI's and cutscene graphics that are better than their in game graphics ever since FF7.

every FF since 7 has tried to fool people with CGI, or doctored cutscene graphics into thinking the whole game will look that way.

So when Square shows a lavish trailer like FF13's i dont see why people are taking it seriously. Most likely we will not see those graphics in game, at most we will see them in UNplayable cutscenes, or worst case scenario they are CGI.

There is no reason we have to trust square enix considering there long history of advertising CGI in their trailers.

PS3Graphix
The same could be said about Sony's approach to their games console... False truths about "Emotion Engine", "Life-Like Graphics", "World-Wide Launch", "Launch Unit Figures", "The Cell"... Yet many people still believe everything they hear, even when their eyes tell them something different...
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#6 Shirley_Temple
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Look at her shoulders and tell me CGI makes shoulders that blocky.

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#7 diggyzoom
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does it really matter ? did these tactics stop people from enjoying the games ?

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#8 TekkenMaster606
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You're talking about graphics. GRAPHICS with FFXIII. Wow, stop looking at the games and start playing them. You wanna talk graphics, bring me your 3DMARK score. Until then, stop attaching yourself to the graphics on a machine you didn't even build or tweak yourself.
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square is well known for its CGI's and cutscene graphics that are better than their in game graphics ever since FF7.

every FF since 7 has tried to fool people with CGI, or doctored cutscene graphics into thinking the whole game will look that way.

So when Square shows a lavish trailer like FF13's i dont see why people are taking it seriously. Most likely we will not see those graphics in game, at most we will see them in UNplayable cutscenes, or worst case scenario they are CGI.

There is no reason we have to trust square enix considering there long history of advertising CGI in their trailers.

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arent they all more or less unplayable cutscenes? its not like you are controlling them, moreso than choosing from a menu and watching the result.
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#10 stop_loading
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fighting scene = gameplay
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#11 mamalaga12
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Look at her shoulders and tell me CGI makes shoulders that blocky.

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those are not gameplay shot no matter how blocky certain bits look...
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#12 swade
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square is well known for its CGI's and cutscene graphics that are better than their in game graphics ever since FF7.

every FF since 7 has tried to fool people with CGI, or doctored cutscene graphics into thinking the whole game will look that way.

So when Square shows a lavish trailer like FF13's i dont see why people are taking it seriously. Most likely we will not see those graphics in game, at most we will see them in UNplayable cutscenes, or worst case scenario they are CGI.

There is no reason we have to trust square enix considering there long history of advertising CGI in their trailers.

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you mean like Halo 3's trailer right?

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#13 FireXero
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[QUOTE="Shirley_Temple"]

Look at her shoulders and tell me CGI makes shoulders that blocky.

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those are not gameplay shot no matter how blocky certain bits look...



Do you have any proof? or are you just in denial?
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square is well known for its CGI's and cutscene graphics that are better than their in game graphics ever since FF7.

every FF since 7 has tried to fool people with CGI, or doctored cutscene graphics into thinking the whole game will look that way.

So when Square shows a lavish trailer like FF13's i dont see why people are taking it seriously. Most likely we will not see those graphics in game, at most we will see them in UNplayable cutscenes, or worst case scenario they are CGI.

There is no reason we have to trust square enix considering there long history of advertising CGI in their trailers.

PS3Graphix

Quite ironic if you look at his gamertag. Man, did someone wake up on the wrong side of the bed? That trailer was confirmed as CGI and a little in game showings. Get over it?

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#16 Shirley_Temple
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[QUOTE="Shirley_Temple"]

Look at her shoulders and tell me CGI makes shoulders that blocky.

mamalaga12

those are not gameplay shot no matter how blocky certain bits look...

I didn't say they were gameplay, I implied it was ingame because CGI doesn't look that poor.

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#17 V_Zarnold_N
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thats really funny coming from a guy with a tidus icon... oh and btw it could actually be in game it is after all next gen and the reason people care about what they see is because even if it is cgi they do it way better than everybody else so it actually looks real not really fake
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#18 TekkenMaster606
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The new fad this generation is picking apart shadow, lighting, jaggies and other graphical elements. Playing the games is SO last-gen.
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The new fad this generation is picking apart shadow, lighting, jaggies and other graphical elements. Playing the games is SO last-gen.TekkenMaster606

Ya know. You may be onto something. Everyone seems more concerned about jaggies and the likes. Always out to try to downgrade a game for what it's worth.

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Maybe we beleive them because they confirmed that the intro of the trailer was CGI but the parts where the girls is fighting is gameplay? do some researchFireXero
gameplay but judging from the camera angles and everything it looked like they are scripted cutscenes like we saw in the past. looks like the only interaction for those scenes is on a menu.
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#21 Ontain
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does it really matter ? did these tactics stop people from enjoying the games ?

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depend if you have the expectations of more than the game can provide. that could indeed affect your enjoyment.
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#22 TekkenMaster606
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People buy JRPGs to interact with cutscenes huh? I am now misinformed. I thought they were there for watching.
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#23 kyosukeugc
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do I care? no. Just give me my FFXIII damnit!
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You're talking about graphics. GRAPHICS with FFXIII. Wow, stop looking at the games and start playing them. You wanna talk graphics, bring me your 3DMARK score. Until then, stop attaching yourself to the graphics on a machine you didn't even build or tweak yourself.TekkenMaster606
3dMark is a useless test.
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#25 chrismunx
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[QUOTE="diggyzoom"]does it really matter ? did these tactics stop people from enjoying the games ?

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depend if you have the expectations of more than the game can provide. that could indeed affect your enjoyment.

Ya know. I remember FF12 starting out this sort of way. And look at the end product? 40/40 with Famitsu. Reviewers out there giving it a perfect 10. I think SE is on the right track of breathing new life into the FF series. Let's just hope we don't have to wait for another 4 - 5 years on it :/

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#26 FireXero
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[QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="diggyzoom"]does it really matter ? did these tactics stop people from enjoying the games ?

chrismunx

depend if you have the expectations of more than the game can provide. that could indeed affect your enjoyment.

Ya know. I remember FF12 starting out this sort of way. And look at the end product? 40/40 with Famitsu. Reviewers out there giving it a perfect 10. I think SE is on the right track of breathing new life into the FF series. Let's just hope we don't have to wait for another 4 - 5 years on it :/



Europeans like me are still waiting... damn Square, i love em and hate em.
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#27 chrismunx
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[QUOTE="chrismunx"]

[QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="diggyzoom"]does it really matter ? did these tactics stop people from enjoying the games ?

FireXero

depend if you have the expectations of more than the game can provide. that could indeed affect your enjoyment.

Ya know. I remember FF12 starting out this sort of way. And look at the end product? 40/40 with Famitsu. Reviewers out there giving it a perfect 10. I think SE is on the right track of breathing new life into the FF series. Let's just hope we don't have to wait for another 4 - 5 years on it :/


Europeans like me are still waiting... damn Square, i love em and hate em.

Ouch. How much longer you have to wait on it?

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#28 FireXero
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How much longer? hmm... the online store i always shop in says... To be announced -_-
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#29 Jack-Thompson
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Maybe we beleive them because they confirmed that the intro of the trailer was CGI but the parts where the girls is fighting is gameplay? do some researchFireXero

I don't trust them cause a lot Japanese game developers would say anything to make the PS3 look better then the pile of crap that it really is.

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#30 FireXero
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[QUOTE="FireXero"]Maybe we beleive them because they confirmed that the intro of the trailer was CGI but the parts where the girls is fighting is gameplay? do some researchJack-Thompson

I don't trust them cause a lot Japanese game developers would say anything to make the PS3 look better then the pile of crap that it really is.



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How much longer? hmm... the online store i always shop in says... To be announced -_-FireXero
We gotta wait for Japan to get it first, then add anout 6-8 months for localization (assuming you're in America).
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#32 Jack-Thompson
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do I care? no. Just give me my FFXIII damnit!kyosukeugc

Calm down fella its just a video game, I'm not grinding my teeth with anxiety waiting for Halo 3 or any other game for that matter.

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[QUOTE="FireXero"]Maybe we beleive them because they confirmed that the intro of the trailer was CGI but the parts where the girls is fighting is gameplay? do some researchJack-Thompson

I don't trust them cause a lot Japanese game developers would say anything to make the PS3 look better then the pile of crap that it really is.

And yet MS is trying to boost their Japanese sales. So who should you trust more?

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#34 Rosencrantz
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every FF since 7 has tried to fool people with CGI, or doctored cutscene graphics into thinking the whole game will look that way.PS3Graphix

This is the biggest lie I have heard all month.  Square has always been very open with their games and what they look like, both in game and CGI cutscenes.  Give ONE example of them EVER misleading people.

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#35 Jack-Thompson
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[QUOTE="Jack-Thompson"]

[QUOTE="FireXero"]Maybe we beleive them because they confirmed that the intro of the trailer was CGI but the parts where the girls is fighting is gameplay? do some researchFireXero

I don't trust them cause a lot Japanese game developers would say anything to make the PS3 look better then the pile of crap that it really is.



*Red lights start flashing*

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In your sig it states your a fanboy so don't point a finger at me and say "that's the fanboy" when it looks like your a bigger one than I could ever be when it comes to crappy video games like Final Fantasy.

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#36 Shirley_Temple
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[QUOTE="FireXero"]How much longer? hmm... the online store i always shop in says... To be announced -_-Ryumoau23
We gotta wait for Japan to get it first, then add anout 6-8 months for localization (assuming you're in America).

First off, its out in Japan and America, 2nd, he's in europe.

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[QUOTE="Ryumoau23"][QUOTE="FireXero"]How much longer? hmm... the online store i always shop in says... To be announced -_-Shirley_Temple

We gotta wait for Japan to get it first, then add anout 6-8 months for localization (assuming you're in America).

First off, its out in Japan and America, 2nd, he's in europe.

Sorry, i just read the post without really knowing what game he was talking about. I thought he was talking about FFXIII.
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#38 FireXero
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[QUOTE="FireXero"][QUOTE="Jack-Thompson"]

[QUOTE="FireXero"]Maybe we beleive them because they confirmed that the intro of the trailer was CGI but the parts where the girls is fighting is gameplay? do some researchJack-Thompson

I don't trust them cause a lot Japanese game developers would say anything to make the PS3 look better then the pile of crap that it really is.



*Red lights start flashing*

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In your sig it states your a fanboy so don't point a finger at me and say "that's the fanboy" when it looks like your a bigger one than I could ever be when it comes to crappy video games like Final Fantasy.



I own a 360 and i plan to buy the Wii and the PS3, how does that make me a fanboy?
BTW, The same people that gave your precious Gears a 9.6 have given all real FF games AAA so stfu.
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#39 toxicmog
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Maybe because we have played the previous series unlike others >.>secretsaiyan007
So have i.... And when Sony Said killzone was 'in game' i dont belive anything atm untill i see real game fottage.
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#40 lohithbms
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I thought i'd try FFX and bought it. In approx 8 hrs there was like 5-6 hrs of cutscenes. :?
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#41 chrismunx
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[QUOTE="FireXero"][QUOTE="Jack-Thompson"]

[QUOTE="FireXero"]Maybe we beleive them because they confirmed that the intro of the trailer was CGI but the parts where the girls is fighting is gameplay? do some researchJack-Thompson

I don't trust them cause a lot Japanese game developers would say anything to make the PS3 look better then the pile of crap that it really is.



*Red lights start flashing*

WARNING! WARNING! We have a fanboy on the topic! Evacuate! Evacuate!

In your sig it states your a fanboy so don't point a finger at me and say "that's the fanboy" when it looks like your a bigger one than I could ever be when it comes to crappy video games like Final Fantasy.

Actually. I think you just made yourself look more of the fanboy with that statement. Back to Congress with you!

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#42 hkmp5a2
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Never realy liked the ff games, but I will be getting this one. btw....... chrismunx, that Azumanga Daioh animation sig is great, gave me a good laugh, thanks. 
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#43 FireXero
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[QUOTE="lohithbms"]I thought i'd try FFX and bought it. In approx 8 hrs there was like 5-6 hrs of cutscenes. :?



And after you beat the game theres over 100 hours of gameplay (at least for me) with the arenas and dark aeons. You can always start a NSG (No Sphere Grid) game if you want to make it harder and more interesting.
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#44 toxicmog
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Look at her shoulders and tell me CGI makes shoulders that blocky.

Shirley_Temple
The top picture will most likely resemble in game...i think the 'battle' at E3 was also CGI tbh.
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[QUOTE="Jack-Thompson"]

[QUOTE="FireXero"]Maybe we beleive them because they confirmed that the intro of the trailer was CGI but the parts where the girls is fighting is gameplay? do some researchchrismunx

I don't trust them cause a lot Japanese game developers would say anything to make the PS3 look better then the pile of crap that it really is.

And yet MS is trying to boost their Japanese sales. So who should you trust more?

I don't remember Microsoft passing off CGI as gameplay. I'm sure you saw the interview thats in the Killzone section over at IGN when the Sony CEO blatantly said Killzone was actual gameplay and that they secretly released the dev kits early.

I believe the reasons MS wants to get Japanese to support the 360 is so that people in the rest of the world that enjoy crappy JRPGs and other Japanese inspired games get to play them on the Xbox 360. I don't really give a damn if they even appear on the 360 and franky I would prefer they didn't. Let Sony realese that garbage on their system the Paperweight 3.

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#46 Jack-Thompson
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[QUOTE="Jack-Thompson"][QUOTE="FireXero"][QUOTE="Jack-Thompson"]

[QUOTE="FireXero"]Maybe we beleive them because they confirmed that the intro of the trailer was CGI but the parts where the girls is fighting is gameplay? do some researchchrismunx

I don't trust them cause a lot Japanese game developers would say anything to make the PS3 look better then the pile of crap that it really is.



*Red lights start flashing*

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In your sig it states your a fanboy so don't point a finger at me and say "that's the fanboy" when it looks like your a bigger one than I could ever be when it comes to crappy video games like Final Fantasy.

Actually. I think you just made yourself look more of the fanboy with that statement. Back to Congress with you!

I'll admit it. I am a fanboy of good video games and other systems like the Wii and PS3 don't have good video games so I'll stick with my 360.

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[QUOTE="chrismunx"][QUOTE="Jack-Thompson"]

[QUOTE="FireXero"]Maybe we beleive them because they confirmed that the intro of the trailer was CGI but the parts where the girls is fighting is gameplay? do some researchJack-Thompson

I don't trust them cause a lot Japanese game developers would say anything to make the PS3 look better then the pile of crap that it really is.

And yet MS is trying to boost their Japanese sales. So who should you trust more?

I don't remember Microsoft passing off CGI as gameplay. I'm sure you saw the interview thats in the Killzone section over at IGN when the Sony CEO blatantly said Killzone was actual gameplay and that they secretly released the dev kits early.

I believe the reasons MS wants to get Japanese to support the 360 is so that people in the rest of the world that enjoy crappy JRPGs and other Japanese inspired games get to play them on the Xbox 360. I don't really give a damn if they even appear on the 360 and franky I would prefer they didn't. Let Sony realese that garbage on their system the Paperweight 3.

-sighs and just shakes his head- I don't even want to argue anymore cause all it is to you is black or white.

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[QUOTE="chrismunx"][QUOTE="Jack-Thompson"][QUOTE="FireXero"][QUOTE="Jack-Thompson"]

[QUOTE="FireXero"]Maybe we beleive them because they confirmed that the intro of the trailer was CGI but the parts where the girls is fighting is gameplay? do some researchJack-Thompson

I don't trust them cause a lot Japanese game developers would say anything to make the PS3 look better then the pile of crap that it really is.



*Red lights start flashing*

WARNING! WARNING! We have a fanboy on the topic! Evacuate! Evacuate!

In your sig it states your a fanboy so don't point a finger at me and say "that's the fanboy" when it looks like your a bigger one than I could ever be when it comes to crappy video games like Final Fantasy.

Actually. I think you just made yourself look more of the fanboy with that statement. Back to Congress with you!

I'll admit it. I am a fanboy of good video games and other systems like the Wii and PS3 don't have good video games so I'll stick with my 360.

Wow. 

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#49 Jack-Thompson
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[QUOTE="Shirley_Temple"]

Look at her shoulders and tell me CGI makes shoulders that blocky.

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She looks tired and could probably use a good nap, poor gal(or is it a guy?, can never tell with Final Fantasy games) 

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#50 TekkenMaster606
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[QUOTE="chrismunx"][QUOTE="Jack-Thompson"][QUOTE="FireXero"][QUOTE="Jack-Thompson"]

[QUOTE="FireXero"]Maybe we beleive them because they confirmed that the intro of the trailer was CGI but the parts where the girls is fighting is gameplay? do some researchJack-Thompson

I don't trust them cause a lot Japanese game developers would say anything to make the PS3 look better then the pile of crap that it really is.



*Red lights start flashing*

WARNING! WARNING! We have a fanboy on the topic! Evacuate! Evacuate!

In your sig it states your a fanboy so don't point a finger at me and say "that's the fanboy" when it looks like your a bigger one than I could ever be when it comes to crappy video games like Final Fantasy.

Actually. I think you just made yourself look more of the fanboy with that statement. Back to Congress with you!

I'll admit it. I am a fanboy of good video games and other systems like the Wii and PS3 don't have good video games so I'll stick with my 360.



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