Who messed up the most this Gen?

We all know the Wii got it right for the most part, so who between the PS3 and the Xbox 360 had the most flaws? PS3 for having such a high price with little software at launch (compared to others) releasing DS3 year and a half later at the cost of a game or the Xbox for having such high hardware failures... no support in Japan what so ever... Even though I own a PS3 I'm gonna have to go with them just because of such a lousy start, could've had a much MUCH better and effective launch but now it is starting to pick up steam.

From a business stand point or gamer stand point?

Business I'd say sony but from gamer I'd say Wii.

The wii has shown that shovelware sells :S.

From a business stand point or gamer stand point?

Business I'd say sony but from gamer I'd say Wii.

The wii has shown that shovelware sells :S.

jangojay

Both really. I'd say the PS3 before the Wii. I mean I traded in my 360 (sick of RROD & Disk error issues) for the PS3 and really it's mostly lacking in exclusives (I know there's good ones but compared to Xbox) I couldn't of have imagine if I had it since launch.

Sony with the PS3. It was one problem after another,but it's about straightened out now...looks like it's all paying off.

From a business stand point or gamer stand point?

Business I'd say sony but from gamer I'd say Wii.

The wii has shown that shovelware sells :S.

jangojay

Both. Their focus on HD graphics may have been in line with the market, but all that power could have gone to making other graphical tricks.Shazenab

Sony cause of their poor price points and lack of must haves.

I like how 360 has just as many votes without any explanations

Sony cause of their poor price points and lack of must haves.

I like how 360 has just as many votes without any explanations

Sony cause of their poor price points and lack of must haves.

I like how 360 has just as many votes without any explanations

fenwickhotmail

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Sony cause of their poor price points and lack of must haves.

I like how 360 has just as many votes without any explanations

killab2oo5

Ever since 2008 this place became a ranch for cows.

[QUOTE="Shazenab"]Both. Their focus on HD graphics may have been in line with the market, but all that power could have gone to making other graphical tricks.darklord888

Great SD graphics will look great, even if they are upsclaed. The best example to take is a dvd. A great film with amazing special effects looks just as good on a HDTV as it does on an SDTV. The whole resolution makes graphics better thing was something invented by gamers, because i'm not aware of any other fanbase pushing things as hard. Hell I'm willing to bet a lot of pc gamers dont mind turning down their resolution to make their games run smoother.

IMO that would be Sony, as they put to much time and money into making the PS3 do things besides playing games. Now it's much more expensive then it would have been if it had just been a game station.

[QUOTE="darklord888"][QUOTE="Shazenab"]Both. Their focus on HD graphics may have been in line with the market, but all that power could have gone to making other graphical tricks.Shazenab

Great SD graphics will look great, even if they are upsclaed. The best example to take is a dvd. A great film with amazing special effects looks just as good on a HDTV as it does on an SDTV. The whole resolution makes graphics better thing was something invented by gamers, because i'm not aware of any other fanbase pushing things as hard. Hell I'm willing to bet a lot of pc gamers dont mind turning down their resolution to make their games run smoother.

Microsoft for releasing such as badly designed console. Sort it out!

Sony for releasing a console thinking everyone would buy it solely on the fact that its predecessors were so popular. Where are the games!?

Nintendo for releasing a console who's online component is a joke.

[QUOTE="darklord888"][QUOTE="Shazenab"]Both. Their focus on HD graphics may have been in line with the market, but all that power could have gone to making other graphical tricks.Shazenab

Great SD graphics will look great, even if they are upsclaed. The best example to take is a dvd. A great film with amazing special effects looks just as good on a HDTV as it does on an SDTV. The whole resolution makes graphics better thing was something invented by gamers, because i'm not aware of any other fanbase pushing things as hard. Hell I'm willing to bet a lot of pc gamers dont mind turning down their resolution to make their games run smoother.

Sony without a doubt for me. The PS3 was WAY to expensive and Sony had the worst attitude I have ever seen. Now that the PS3 is at a much more sensible price point I can see things getting a lot better for them.

All three have their problems, one doesn't necessarily overtake the other:

Nintendowith their continuing lack of third party support

Microsoftwith their hardware woes be it the HD-DVD add-on or defective units

Sonywith their slow console sales, and difficulty obtaining exlusives

From a business standpoint, Sony screwed up the worst. That was a nasty fall from grace.

From a games library standpoint, I'd say Nintendo. Their game library is the worst I've ever seen.

From a quality standpoint, Microsoft scewed up the worst. The Xbox360 is one horribly designed console. The parts don't seem to work well together.

Overall, probably Sony.

It is a little early but my vote goes to the Wii. Big mistake focusing their attention on casual and non-gamers. Maybe it'll pay off in 3 years but the Wii is crap right now. There are easily less than 10 titles worth purchasing (of course sheeps will name down 60 but they'd be including crappy games and VC). Sooooorrryyy Nintendo.Lyphe2k

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Zak & Wiki
RE4
Super Paper Mario
Mario Srikers Charged
No More Heroes
Bully
Pro Evolution 08
The Godfather

so which of these are crappy? cause i dont see any vc games.

360 due to RROD.Tykain

agreed

and also MS for not solving the RROD problem after over 2 years since release

[QUOTE="Lyphe2k"]It is a little early but my vote goes to the Wii. Big mistake focusing their attention on casual and non-gamers. Maybe it'll pay off in 3 years but the Wii is crap right now. There are easily less than 10 titles worth purchasing (of course sheeps will name down 60 but they'd be including crappy games and VC). Sooooorrryyy Nintendo.Ewok432

SMG
SSBB
MP3:C
LoZ:TP
Zak & Wiki
RE4
Super Paper Mario
Mario Srikers Charged
No More Heroes
Bully
Pro Evolution 08
The Godfather

so which of these are crappy? cause i dont see any vc games.

I think his post was hyperbole, but the point was that the Wii's game library blows overall.

3 of the best Wii games are GC/PS2 ports.

From a business stand point or gamer stand point?

Business I'd say sony but from gamer I'd say Wii.

The wii has shown that shovelware sells :S.

jangojay

all consoles have shown that. do you have selective memory of the titles that the ps1 and ps2 put out?

Sony. Sorry, but you can't mess up more than being first and ending up last.thrones

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[QUOTE="Lyphe2k"]It is a little early but my vote goes to the Wii. Big mistake focusing their attention on casual and non-gamers. Maybe it'll pay off in 3 years but the Wii is crap right now. There are easily less than 10 titles worth purchasing (of course sheeps will name down 60 but they'd be including crappy games and VC). Sooooorrryyy Nintendo.Tragic_Kingdom7

SMG
SSBB
MP3:C
LoZ:TP
Zak & Wiki
RE4
Super Paper Mario
Mario Srikers Charged
No More Heroes
Bully
Pro Evolution 08
The Godfather

so which of these are crappy? cause i dont see any vc games.

I think his post was hyperbole, but the point was that the Wii's game library blows overall.

3 of the best Wii games are GC/PS2 ports.

soo being able to play 5 of gamerankings top 10 games= bad library? im sorry i just cannot agree with that.

[QUOTE="thrones"]Sony. Sorry, but you can't mess up more than being first and ending up last.skektek

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[QUOTE="Lyphe2k"]It is a little early but my vote goes to the Wii. Big mistake focusing their attention on casual and non-gamers. Maybe it'll pay off in 3 years but the Wii is crap right now. There are easily less than 10 titles worth purchasing (of course sheeps will name down 60 but they'd be including crappy games and VC). Sooooorrryyy Nintendo.Ewok432

SMG
SSBB
MP3:C
LoZ:TP
Zak & Wiki
RE4
Super Paper Mario
Mario Srikers Charged
No More Heroes
Bully
Pro Evolution 08
The Godfather

so which of these are crappy? cause i dont see any vc games.

I think his post was hyperbole, but the point was that the Wii's game library blows overall.

3 of the best Wii games are GC/PS2 ports.

soo being able to play 5 of gamerankings top 10 games= bad library? im sorry i just cannot agree with that.

This is a stupid argument.

You have to look at the entire picture. A library with a few killer titles and an overwhelming amount of crap is indeed a bad library.

When you speak of a "library" you can't look at it with tunnel vision, you have to be all-encompassing.

I say Microsoft, but Sony has been a bit dissappointing as well.

Microsoft

1. Faulty hardware.

2. Paying for online service.

3. Games don't really appeal to other genres. I mostly hear about shooters for the 360 rather than games of which benefits people who don't really like shooters.

Sony

1. Losing exclusives. I wish they had fought even harder to keep their exclusives.

2. Slow beginnings.

But despite that, Sony is making up for their mistakes. I don't see Microsoft doing that, for the most part.

I say Microsoft, but Sony has been a bit dissappointing as well.

Microsoft

1. Faulty hardware.

2. Paying for online service.

3. Games don't really appeal to other genres. I mostly hear about shooters for the 360 rather than games of which benefits people who don't really like shooters.

Sony

1. Losing exclusives. I wish they had fought even harder to keep their exclusives.

2. Slow beginnings.

But despite that, Sony is making up for their mistakes. I don't see Microsoft doing that, for the most part.

girlpowerz

Just to add more to MS - Taking out a standard HDD, supporting HDDVD, and sticking with the old DVD9 format as well. Sony may have had a bad start but they certainly made better sales than the 360 worldwide.