Who makes more quality games? Japanese or Western devs?

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#1 Edited by carljohnsonCJ (505 posts) -

Apart from ROCKSTAR I prefer japanese devs more over any other western devs.CAPCOM, FROM SOFTWARE,SQUARE ENIX,SEGA,TEAM NINJA etc.

Stylish

Brilliant OST's

Epic Boss Fights

Challenging

Emotional & Tragic stories

Character development

Well?

Wbu?

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#2 Posted by Nirgal (31 posts) -

It’s an unfair comparison. Japan is a single country. The west are a lot of countries . You can even include Poland and russia there is you are being very inclusive.

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#3 Posted by Ghosts4ever (10284 posts) -

Western or European.

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#4 Posted by Nirgal (31 posts) -

I think mechanics wise Japanese games are really good, but story wise I also find them to be too melodramatic and boring. Maybe I haven’t played the right ones, but I don’t like too emotional stories.

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#5 Posted by sakaiXx (5911 posts) -
  1. Europe.
  2. Japan.
  3. America.
  4. Asia.
  5. Australia and rest of the world

TBH Japan it depends on year. If its a good year, no.2. If its a bad year is can go as far down as 4th.

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#6 Posted by robert_sparkes (3232 posts) -

Sometimes the stories in Japanese games are too out there. European for me.

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#7 Posted by npiet1 (2475 posts) -

I think they both make some fantastic games, they both also make terrible games. So I think you would be better pinning western and eastern dev's against each other that are similar (If there really is any, nothing for me comes to mind though).

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#8 Posted by AJStyles (1023 posts) -

Japan was excellent all the way until the end of the PS2 era. They never recovered and the West/Europe has been the best since then.

Japan simply does not have the budget to compete with western/European developers.

We have also seen more Japanese games emulate western games because the west makes better games.

The rest of the world surpassed Japan a long time ago and only ignorant fanboys still think Japan makes better games. Or they are weebs obsessed with Japan.

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#9 Posted by I_P_Daily (12318 posts) -

Don't know but I wish the OP would make a quality thread :(

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#10 Posted by Valkeerie (309 posts) -

Simplistic rundown: Japanese games tend to be more concerned with their own engineering and authored content. Western games are more concerned with editing and design due to the outsourcing of its production. Depending on whether they are produced in Europe or other Asian countries, the few studios that were of service might create their own games, target the same market but fail to live up to the others locally. A few exceptions arise, but the international Japanese games are becoming more and more Western like, while new studios beneath the triple-A market will either remain local or mimic the cultural influence of their target.

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#11 Posted by enzyme36 (4259 posts) -

zelda, street fighter, monster hunter, resident evil, mario, metroid, fire emblem, phantasy star, souls, metal gear

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#12 Posted by uninspiredcup (34354 posts) -

Arguably the only genre (not JRPG) they still dominate in is fighting games.

They use to be trends setters influencing the West, now it's them copying us.

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#13 Posted by Heirren (2223 posts) -

Japanese(eastern) games, from my experience, tend to have a better sense of rhythm with their games.

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#14 Edited by Pedro (35448 posts) -

I am convinced Japan devs don't know how to write a good story or good characters or good rpg or understand good pacing.

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#15 Posted by Archangel3371 (28396 posts) -

While there is certainly a good number of Western developed games that I do enjoy very much the number of Japanese developed games that I enjoy is greater.

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#16 Edited by Telekill (8549 posts) -

They both have great developers. "Best" is subjective. I enjoy games from Japanese developers like Resident Evil (3rd person games), Shenmue, Zelda, etc. I can't stand Japanese anime games.

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#18 Posted by PurpleMan5000 (9749 posts) -

Japan, hands down.

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#19 Posted by cainetao11 (36705 posts) -

“Quality” by who’s definition?

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#20 Edited by X_CAPCOM_X (8653 posts) -

There are few things western devs do better than Japanese devs. Japanese devs unequivocally produce games with much better/more refined gameplay.

Western devs sometimes fetishize realism and make some elementary gameplay mistakes while pursuing this. This really hurts action games from the west, which tend to replace interesting or fleshed out mechanics with 'qte-like' interactions with enemies, sometimes with many cinematic sequences.

In general, Japanese action and fighting is far superior. Its actually surprising that western devs haven't caught on to the discrepancy after so many years.

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#21 Posted by uninspiredcup (34354 posts) -
@cainetao11 said:

“Quality” by who’s definition?

A racist WW2 vet who hates Nanking deniers?

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#22 Posted by Jag85 (13596 posts) -

Gameplay - Japanese developers are undoubtedly better at gameplay mechanics than Western developers, generally speaking.

Graphics - Western developers clearly have the lead here, generally speaking.

Story - Depends on whether visual novels count. If they count, then Japanese devs write the best stories. If they don't count, then Western devs write better stories.

Music - Japanese developers are undoubtedly better at video game music than Western developers, generally speaking.

Voice acting - Depends on the language. Western games are better in English. Japanese games are better in Japanese. Dubs are almost always inferior to the original voice tracks.

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#23 Posted by jg4xchamp (61724 posts) -

Japan, for starters their games actually have good mechanics.

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#24 Posted by Ghosts4ever (10284 posts) -

@jg4xchamp said:

Japan, for starters their games actually have good mechanics.

But Resident evil series has always clunky mechanics.

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#25 Posted by Valgaav_219 (2472 posts) -

@enzyme36 said:

zelda, street fighter, monster hunter, resident evil, mario, metroid, fire emblem, phantasy star, souls, metal gear

@PurpleMan5000 said:

Japan, hands down.

Yeah, I'm going with Japan. At first I was gonna say Western because no games have really reached the graphical quality of games like Red Dead Redemption 2, Horizon Zero Dawn, and Uncharted 4 but graphics are only one aspect of the game. I'd say overall Japanese games curbstomp other games in every other category.

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#26 Posted by phbz (4584 posts) -

There are good and bad in both sides. Overall I'll say western due to having a much bigger output than Japan alone.

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#27 Posted by Heirren (2223 posts) -

@valgaav_219:

Im not sure i agree. I think Japan has the better graphics. Better flow to the visuals. Western games generally look more robotic imo.

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#28 Posted by Valgaav_219 (2472 posts) -

@heirren:

- Red Dead Redemption 2

- Uncharted 4

- God of War

What Japanese games can stand up to these games from a graphical standpoint? I prefer Japanese games. They always are stylish and very creative like Persona 5, Nier Automata, and Ni No Kuni 2 but I don't see too many Japanese games that are really pushing the limits of the hardware or winning graphics awards like Horizon Zero Dawn.

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#29 Posted by ProtossRushX (5629 posts) -

the japanese baby...Resident evil 2 remake just look at it man

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#30 Posted by Heirren (2223 posts) -

@valgaav_219 said:

@heirren:

- Red Dead Redemption 2

- Uncharted 4

- God of War

What Japanese games can stand up to these games from a graphical standpoint? I prefer Japanese games. They always are stylish and very creative like Persona 5, Nier Automata, and Ni No Kuni 2 but I don't see too many Japanese games that are really pushing the limits of the hardware or winning graphics awards like Horizon Zero Dawn.

Red Dead is just average.

Horizon is really really good. Im yet to play that one. Maybe i will pick a few of these games up as they are cheap. I currently only have a Switch. Maybe one day ill get the ps4 back to try some of these.

From what ive seen from Persona its pretty good. Very well concieved on all fronts. Nier id have to be reminded of, in fact most games ive seen i would have to be as i havent gamed much this gen--but i have seen many of the games if that makes sense. I just dont pay too close attention to what comes out. And dont be mistaken in saying stylish, creative, design, etc; these are the graphics. Pc fanboys will have you think otherwise but good graphics are good graphics.

Why do i say Red Dead is average? Because its downright boring. It looks like copy/pasted photographic textures. Put that up against Uncharted or God of War and youll see how the hand crafted texures really add to the visual design. Its why the image as a whole is so tight, even if slightly lower in fidelity on the output.

Metal Gear Solid 4. That game has great graphics.

Breath of The Wild has great graphics.

Arms has great graphics.

Trying to mimic real world settings, and doing so with photographic like accuracy; that doesnt always mean theyre good graphics. Often times youll see pc games do this, and then the human characters stick out like a sore thumb. Compare games like that to something like Horizon, where every in game object and texture is carefully thought out. Theres no comparison. Venturing off topic a bit yes, but western games that do this tend to be the exception, whereas eastern games tend to exhibit that nature as the norm.

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#31 Posted by Arach666 (23256 posts) -

@Jag85 said:

Gameplay - Japanese developers are undoubtedly better at gameplay mechanics than Western developers, generally speaking.

Graphics - Western developers clearly have the lead here, generally speaking.

Story - Depends on whether visual novels count. If they count, then Japanese devs write the best stories. If they don't count, then Western devs write better stories.

Music - Japanese developers are undoubtedly better at video game music than Western developers, generally speaking.

Voice acting - Depends on the language. Western games are better in English. Japanese games are better in Japanese. Dubs are almost always inferior to the original voice tracks.

Agree with most of that but I´m not so sure music is that much of a sure win as you think. I´d actually argue the other way around but there´s way to many examples to make a concise point.

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#32 Edited by Ghost120x (5390 posts) -

Hard to tell really. There is a sea of piss on both sides if we're going to cherry pick. I will say Japanese devs have horror games on lock though. Nothing Western devs have put out will come close to classic RE, Silent Hill, Siren, Clocktower etc. I long for games like these but with modern graphics.

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#33 Edited by DoomNukem3D (366 posts) -

Overall more of my favorite games tend to come from Japan, but it tends to depend on the genre. Majority of the best FPS games are western obviously.

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#34 Posted by Jag85 (13596 posts) -
@Arach666 said:
@Jag85 said:

Gameplay - Japanese developers are undoubtedly better at gameplay mechanics than Western developers, generally speaking.

Graphics - Western developers clearly have the lead here, generally speaking.

Story - Depends on whether visual novels count. If they count, then Japanese devs write the best stories. If they don't count, then Western devs write better stories.

Music - Japanese developers are undoubtedly better at video game music than Western developers, generally speaking.

Voice acting - Depends on the language. Western games are better in English. Japanese games are better in Japanese. Dubs are almost always inferior to the original voice tracks.

Agree with most of that but I´m not so sure music is that much of a sure win as you think. I´d actually argue the other way around but there´s way to many examples to make a concise point.

I'm surprised you singled-out music, as that's the one category where I thought Japan had the biggest advantage, as VGM soundtracks and VGM composers from Japan are generally way more famous and respected than Western ones. When you have Nobuo Uematsu being called the "Beethoven of video games" and Yuzo Koshiro widely respected by EDM producers, it's pretty hard to argue that Japan doesn't have a clear win in this category.

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#35 Posted by Jag85 (13596 posts) -

@valgaav_219 said:

@heirren:

- Red Dead Redemption 2

- Uncharted 4

- God of War

What Japanese games can stand up to these games from a graphical standpoint? I prefer Japanese games. They always are stylish and very creative like Persona 5, Nier Automata, and Ni No Kuni 2 but I don't see too many Japanese games that are really pushing the limits of the hardware or winning graphics awards like Horizon Zero Dawn.

RE2 is one of the best-looking games this year. And so were FFXV and MGSV when they came out. PES 19 also looks better than FIFA 19. And GT Sport has better lighting and physics than Forza 7.

Nevertheless, I get your overall point. Japanese AAA games with top-tier graphics are few and far between.

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#36 Posted by getyeryayasout (12390 posts) -

The West for the sizzle, Japan for the steak.

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#37 Posted by briguyb13 (3122 posts) -

Japanese games for gameplay and mechanics, Western games for graphics and design.

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#38 Edited by MirkoS77 (14360 posts) -

Nintendo at their best cannot be beat. When Nintendo’s running on all cylinders, there’s everyone else, and there’s them. For all others, it’s up for grabs.

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#39 Posted by rrjim1 (1745 posts) -

IMO Japanese games usually are light years behind everyone else.

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#40 Posted by omegaMaster (1310 posts) -

Highly subjective. But I'd say Japan because Nintendo has consistently been producing top games for years

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#41 Posted by cainetao11 (36705 posts) -

@uninspiredcup said:
@cainetao11 said:

“Quality” by who’s definition?

A racist WW2 vet who hates Nanking deniers?

thanks

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#42 Posted by jg4xchamp (61724 posts) -
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But Resident evil series has always clunky mechanics.

Incorrect. You just have the adaptability of a console gamer. Ironically. Makes sense why you gas up a shallow linear game like Metro : (

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#43 Posted by TJDMHEM (1994 posts) -

Japanese devs

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#44 Edited by ThatDBFan (426 posts) -

What part of the west are you referring to? The U.S., Europe, or both?

But if you mean the U.S., then it really depends on the year for both countries. Both have top quality studios that have produced quality games. However, depending on the year, both can and have produced lackluster games.

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#45 Posted by ArchoNils2 (10399 posts) -

Well that's kinda hard to answer since there are great games from every region and nobody has played all highly praised games from all regions. But for me persoanlly, it'll look somewhat like this: Japan >> Asia >>> Europe > Us >> Rest