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@vashkey said:
At least until they screw up Halo harder than Reach
Reach is an amazing game and Bungie's best.
I dare you to say that on any Halo message board. The only core Halo game disliked more than Reach is 4
Then they really can't be true Halo fans.
I get sick of this Halo elitist bullshit. I liked all of the Halo games just fine. People just complain about everything, and expect everyone to agree with them 110%.
I personally think anyone who cites CE, 2 or 3 as the "best" Halo game is not a true Halo fan. I got into the series *very* late (summer 2012) and was a quote-unquote "hater" for quite some period of time, not giving the games a real chance... but ODST and Reach are easily the two best games in the Bungie offerings. CE is amazing. 2 is excellent. 3 is great.
They're all great games (I haven't played enough 4 to really form an opinion, I quit about halfway through the campaign and only about 30 hours of MP when it first came out) and anyone who doesn't think as such is an idiot. I'm really glad they are getting some love from Microsoft and all (1-4) being relaunched with full MP on the Xbox One. I'd love to see ODST and Reach in that package, but beggars can't be choosers I guess (and Reach still has a very active MP community IIRC).
I own CEA, ODST, Reach and 4 (borrowed 2 and 3) but would easily rebuy the Master Chief Collection if I owned a Bone. I just hope Reach and especially ODST see some kind of revival there as well.
There is no such thing as a "true" Halo fan, you guys are being ridiculous. But there are pretty good reasons why people think Halo Reach and 4 screwed up.
for Reach armor abilities weren't well balanced and bloom was a good idea that was poorly executed. Armor lock was basically a pause button for combat and there's absolutely no downside to using it. You were invincible but stationary for a few seconds. In that time your shields are actually allowed to recharge. Armor lock also sent out an emp and the longer the player was in armor lock the bigger the emp was going to be so when dealing with a player using armor lock you have to keep your distance.
On top of all this if a vehicle collides a player that is using armor lock the vehicle is usually destroyed which was a detriment to big team battle where vehicles were already much easier to destroy compared to previous Halo titles thanks to the altered vehicle health system.
Now that I've covered the basic benefits of armor lock let me just run you through a common combat scenario with a one on one fight with an armor locked player.
Let's say an non armor locked player is in a gun fight with an armor locked player. The non armor locked player is winning so the armor locked player uses armor lock. The non armor locked player has a few choices. They can sit and wait. In the very best case scenario the other player immediately used after receiving damage and so their shield have not quite yet recharged. But in many other cases another enemy player will come in and the non armor locked player will then have to deal with more enemies.
When the player is waiting for the armor locked player to leave armor lock they have to pay attention to their surroundings because that's like a whole five seconds they can get ambushed. But the enemy player can leave armor lock any time they like before their energy runs out so if the non armor locked player tries to leave or look around the armor locked player can pop out and try to finish off their enemy when their attention is elsewhere .
So in many cases the better player is punished for engaging in combat with a player using armor lock.
As for bloom, the idea was to involve more skill in shooting but in the way it was executed it makes shooting inconsistent. Bloom most strongly effects the DMR which is the primary weapon used in Halo Reach. With the DMR the first shot will be pinpoint accurate and following consecutive shots will be less accurate when fired in close succession. As the player continues to fire the cross hairs expand to express that the bullet can land any where within the cross hair's area.
With this in mind in close and mid range combat the best strategy is to shoot as quickly as possible and landing body shots since a shot does the same amount of damage to a shielded player regardless of hit location. so long as a significant portion of the cross hairs cover the player's body then the bullets will hit. On paper you would think that at the last shot at the farther mid ranges you should wait a split second or for bloom to recover so you can land the last shot as a head shot for the kill but if you keep shooting often times a player will get lucky and get a head shot even with full bloom.
This is bad for competitive play. At this point luck decides who wins when it should be skill, but due to the inconsistent nature of bloom the player can't predict where the bullets will land and there isn't a best choice. If you choose to wait for bloom to recover for an accurate headshot the other player can get luck and headshot you if they don't wait for their bloom to recover, there's no way of knowing how it will go down until the fight is over.
And those are just the big reasons why Halo: Reach was a step down from it's predecessors. Most fans would agree that Reach at the time had the worst map line up of the series, at this point only rivaled by Halo 4(Theres a reason that Hemorrhage and Ragnarok are almost always voted for when they show up, guys) and the campaign was content with revising the same sort of set pieces and level concepts previous Halo games did, save for Long Night of Solace.
I played far less of Halo 4 than I did of Reach I'm not going to be able to go as in depth with it as I did Reach. But the biggest flaw with Halo 4 was that it basically threw in the towel and admitted defeat and conceded to the CoD gameplay style. The most significant changes Halo 4 brought to Halo was stuff that CoD is known for. Sprint as a base ability, kill streaks, custom load outs and perks.
Aside from that Halo 4 completely blew it's chance to try something really different with it's single player with the new setting and enemy faction. Instead we got a pretty standard Halo campaign with the same of stuff we've been playing for years, the new enemies we're very different from the covenant and the covenant were back.
And Spartan ops? What a complete disaster. The story cutscenes felt so disjointed and unrelated to the actual gameplay missions and most missions were just fighting off waves of over powered enemies that kept spawning in and pressing buttons. There was infinite spawns so there was absolutely no tension and it felt like 343 used the infinite spawns as an excuse to haphazardly drop in tons enemies without any thought to enemy placement.
I might sound harsh but I actually think Halo 4 and Reach are good games. But their disappointing Halo games and if you've closely followed the series from the beginning you likely agree with my sentiments or at the very least understand my(as well many other long time Halo fans') position.
It's not baseless and other fans might take it to a different extreme than I do, but there are some very legitimate criticism to be made against Halo Reach and Halo 4
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