What has a wider gap in graphical power, wii to ps3 or ps3 to high end pc?

Thats a tough question but lets look at the games, feel free to add more game comparisons.

Call of duty black ops

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depends on the PC

dog_dirt

High end pc

Well the TC stipulates a modern high end PC in the title.

With that mind I would say the real world difference, in terms of actual games and NOT just raw power (in which case the PC would win out), is about the same.

That is, the gap between Wii and PS3, is about on par as the gap between PS3 and modern high end PC.

What can be done on the PC - High AA & AF, High resolution (1080p +), High rez textures and texture effects, modern and expensive lighting, shadowing and post-processing effects, high tessellation, High quality physics, high performance (60 fps+), etc - CANNOT be done on the PS3 to the extent that it can be done on PC, or more importantly, all at the same time.

And the same goes for the PS3 vs the Wiii.

I'd say Wii to PS3 (consoles in general). A high-end PC's advantage over a console is huge, but the bump from 480p resolution to at least 720 is dramatic. I've seen plenty of console games that at least look like they are in the high-end PC ballpark, due to some fancy tricks, but I haven't seen any Wii game that comes close to the best-looking console games. Lack of HD is just a huge glaring obvious detriment.Hahadouken

The difference between 480p and 720p is LESS than the difference between 720p and 1080p (and PC's can go higher than than 1080p) in both technical and aesthetic terms.

Well, very few games released today actually showcase the power of modern PC GPUs, so we'll pretty much have to go by terms of raw processing power.

I remember it was said a couple of years back that a single Radeon HD 4870 housed more processing power than that of the entire PS3, so that probably partly answers your question. Whether that holds true or not, I don't know, but it certainly is likely cosidering console specs at that time already were really obsolete.

Of course, you could also measure the performance in multiplatform games, where it's not a rare thing to see even low budget GPUs produce much higher frames at resolutions similar to those of the 'HD' consoles.

I always try to stay up-to-date about what happens on the PC hardware market, and I've done so for more than half a decade, and I'd say the gap between 360/PS3 and a good gaming rig is definitely bigger than that between said consoles and the Wii.

As for the difference in resolutions, I believe the GPU in the Wii is perfectly capable of displaying resolutions well above 720p (since nearly all GPUs released in the last - dare I say - ten years have been able to), it's just that it can't produce playable frames in games while doing so, much like the GPUs of the 360/PS3 is capable of displaying 1920x1080 (probably 2560x1600 as well, since the PC GPU equivalents of those cards could), but will have to cut that in half to achieve smooth frames while running a modern game, whereas a mid-to-high end PC won't struggle much at all running most of today's games in those resolutions.

Wii to PS3. The PC is not that good in graphics.Mr_Cumberdale

You forgot to bring some facts and/or cites with you there bud. You know, like nearly everyone else on this thread.

Those comaprison shots of Black Ops are stupid, PC version doesn't look much better than PS3 because that game is mainly designed for consoles. They don't bother making the PC version look any better. Compare Metro 2033 instead, or wait for Crysis 2. Those games have special graphical features just for PC.

[QUOTE="Mr_Cumberdale"]Wii to PS3. The PC is not that good in graphics.Kinthalis

You forgot to bring some facts and/or cites with you there bud. You know, like nearly everyone else on this thread.

[QUOTE="Hahadouken"]I'd say Wii to PS3 (consoles in general). A high-end PC's advantage over a console is huge, but the bump from 480p resolution to at least 720 is dramatic. I've seen plenty of console games that at least look like they are in the high-end PC ballpark, due to some fancy tricks, but I haven't seen any Wii game that comes close to the best-looking console games. Lack of HD is just a huge glaring obvious detriment.Kinthalis

The difference between 480p and 720p is LESS than the difference between 720p and 1080p (and PC's can go higher than than 1080p) in both technical and aesthetic terms.

Definately PS3 to PC.

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I remember it was said a couple of years back that a single Radeon HD 4870 housed more processing power than that of the entire PS3,

the_delta

It was actually about the 4870 being more powerful than every single console combined together.

strictly technically speaking it's like this X1600SE (wii) less than---------------- 7800 (ps3) less than---------------------------------------- 5970 (pc)

of course this doesnt include the amazing optimization technique that goes into console development

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

[QUOTE="Hahadouken"]I'd say Wii to PS3 (consoles in general). A high-end PC's advantage over a console is huge, but the bump from 480p resolution to at least 720 is dramatic. I've seen plenty of console games that at least look like they are in the high-end PC ballpark, due to some fancy tricks, but I haven't seen any Wii game that comes close to the best-looking console games. Lack of HD is just a huge glaring obvious detriment.Hahadouken

The difference between 480p and 720p is LESS than the difference between 720p and 1080p (and PC's can go higher than than 1080p) in both technical and aesthetic terms.

Have you conducted a statistical study to determine if indeed joe schmoe can't tell the difference between 720p and 1080p, or can you perhaps link to one? Or are you just assuming this si true 'cause that's what you think?

I can very easily tell the difference between a game running at 720p and one runnign at 1080p. Not that I'm positing my anectdotal experience as data. You seem to be doing just that, however.

I was about to shout out foul play :P I read the title as "What has a wider gap in graphical power, wii to ps3 or wii to highend pc?" Lol talk about needing to read.

It was actually about the 4870 being more powerful than every single console combined together.

Hakkai007

Ah, so that's how it was. Well, it sure was one fine card.

[QUOTE="Hahadouken"][QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

The difference between 480p and 720p is LESS than the difference between 720p and 1080p (and PC's can go higher than than 1080p) in both technical and aesthetic terms.

Have you conducted a statistical study to determine if indeed joe schmoe can't tell the difference between 720p and 1080p, or can you perhaps link to one? Or are you just assuming this si true 'cause that's what you think?

I can very easily tell the difference between a game running at 720p and one runnign at 1080p. Not that I'm positing my anectdotal experience as data. You seem to be doing just that, however.

Wii to PS3. The PC is not that good in graphics.Mr_Cumberdale

Wii to PS3 easy

tbh I see no real difference between the wii and the ps3.htekemerald

Tie: Wii 480p blows, PS3 looks much better

PS3 720p blows, PC is much better

[QUOTE="htekemerald"]tbh I see no real difference between the wii and the ps3.hexashadow13

I think that the jump from PS3 to PC is just a touch more drastic, but of course it depends a lot on the game.jalexbrown

Why's the ps3 pic so tiny?

There's a thing about objectively speaking now, let's use a example from a cheap high end PC.

A PC capable of running Crysis on the highest settings, and all multiplats on highest also is 300$. It has 2Gb DDR3 6400MHz, and 1GB ATI 3870x2..

Let's add another 20$ to the mix so we can have 3GB. A standard mid-high end PC with only 320$, that's hardly unaffordable, and most people today use 3GB+ in their system. We could add 8GB.. but no, keeping it strictly on the average person, 3 seems right for the average PC gamer enthusiast, from my experience.

Alright. Now let's see what the PS3 has. 256MB XDR Main RAM and 256MB GDDR3 VRAM. Okei. A total of 512MB for the entire system, but, the PS3 utilizes most of it's power towards gaming, were as the PC utilizes some of it's RAM towards programs and the OS.

So let's say that the average user uses Win7 (though i've seen most use WinXP in my city.. but let's say for the average person in the world). With basic programs on, that's about 1GB consumed. There are optimization tools for freeing up RAM massively, but as i said, this is for the average Joe. That leaves 2GB+ (it depends on what programs you have on, or don't have on).

Based on all that, a high end 320$ PC is 4 times more powerful then a PS3. For a average Joe, without using optimization tools, with only 3GB of RAM, AND using Win7. Imagine a passionate PC gamer with 500$-1000$ using the most basic programs built specifically for gaming, can do.

The Wii has 91MB of RAM (including the 3MB embedded GPU texture memory and framebuffer). The PS3 is 5.5 times stronger then the Wii.

Conclusion:

• From a standard mid-high end PC for the average Joe point of view, the Wii - PS3 gap is bigger.

• From a high end PC for a more gamer oriented type a point of view, the PC - PS3 gap is humoungous, and far more bigger then the Wii - PS3 gap, since i can, in fact, be able to put over 16GB of RAM in my system (8GB is actually enough for the PC - PS3 gap to be bigger), and a video card that you can't comprehend, a damn powerful overall PC.

It comes down to what PC you have. I just used a mainstream objective approach, using a cheap high end PC. If i were to be using a true high end PC, the gap would be incomprehensible, and far bigger then the Wii - PS3 gap.

There's a thing about objectively speaking now, let's use a example from a cheap high end PC.

A PC capable of running Crysis on the highest settings, and all multiplats on highest also is 300$. It has 2Gb DDR3 6400MHz, and 1GB ATI 3870x2..

Let's add another 20$ to the mix so we can have 3GB. A standard mid-high end PC with only 320$, that's hardly unaffordable, and most people today use 3GB+ in their system. Lucianu

A $320 PC from scratch will not max out Crysis. In fact I bet it stutters in Orgrimmar with WoW maxed out to Ultra.

[QUOTE="Lucianu"]

There's a thing about objectively speaking now, let's use a example from a cheap high end PC.

A PC capable of running Crysis on the highest settings, and all multiplats on highest also is 300$. It has 2Gb DDR3 6400MHz, and 1GB ATI 3870x2..

Let's add another 20$ to the mix so we can have 3GB. A standard mid-high end PC with only 320$, that's hardly unaffordable, and most people today use 3GB+ in their system. Hahadouken

A $320 PC from scratch will not max out Crysis. In fact I bet it stutters in Orgrimmar with WoW maxed out to Ultra.

Prove me wrong.

I've provided a link to a guy showing the parts and playing, so until then, no.

Btw., this is the guy:

I do build computers on occasions. Mostly for friends, family or myself. While I was at uni I did it as a hobby/ small business. I work full time now (as a Human Resources Officer) but I will still do builds on occasions. Tech and Youtube are my hobby and putting these vids up to help people out is good fun. If anyone lives in Brisbane Australia and wants a PC built I would be open to helping them out.

[QUOTE="Hahadouken"][QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

The difference between 480p and 720p is LESS than the difference between 720p and 1080p (and PC's can go higher than than 1080p) in both technical and aesthetic terms.

Kinthalis

Have you conducted a statistical study to determine if indeed joe schmoe can't tell the difference between 720p and 1080p, or can you perhaps link to one? Or are you just assuming this si true 'cause that's what you think?

I can very easily tell the difference between a game running at 720p and one runnign at 1080p. Not that I'm positing my anectdotal experience as data. You seem to be doing just that, however.

[QUOTE="Hahadouken"]

[QUOTE="Lucianu"]

There's a thing about objectively speaking now, let's use a example from a cheap high end PC.

A PC capable of running Crysis on the highest settings, and all multiplats on highest also is 300$. It has 2Gb DDR3 6400MHz, and 1GB ATI 3870x2..

Let's add another 20$ to the mix so we can have 3GB. A standard mid-high end PC with only 320$, that's hardly unaffordable, and most people today use 3GB+ in their system. Lucianu

A $320 PC from scratch will not max out Crysis. In fact I bet it stutters in Orgrimmar with WoW maxed out to Ultra.

Prove me wrong.

I've provided a link to a guy showing the parts and playing, so until then, no.

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

[QUOTE="Hahadouken"] Technical, perhaps, aesthetically, not even close. There is a distinct lack of "sharp/crispness" in literally every Wii game I have ever seen. Many people would be hard pressed to tell the difference between game X running at 720 versus 1080-, while any schlub off the street could tell a Wii game apart from a PS3/360 game.Hahadouken

Have you conducted a statistical study to determine if indeed joe schmoe can't tell the difference between 720p and 1080p, or can you perhaps link to one? Or are you just assuming this si true 'cause that's what you think?

I can very easily tell the difference between a game running at 720p and one runnign at 1080p. Not that I'm positing my anectdotal experience as data. You seem to be doing just that, however.

Since 1080p is over twice the amount of detail of 720p, its pretty easy. 720p looks stretched and blurry on a 1080p screen.

I think the gap from Wii to ps3 is much wider than PS3 to PC. I have a highend PC and honestly besides a higher resolution and a few more effects the game still looks highly similar to the console counter part where as the same Wii title in most cases looks worst than a ps2 title. And before someone tries to kill me.

Specs: 2 x 460GTX 1gb

Q9550 3.4 ghz

4gb DDR2-800.

In terms of hardware I still feel that the difference between Wii and ps3 is greater. The Wii barely stands up to the ps2 in most cases and the jump from Ps2 to Ps3 is huge.

Wii to PS3. The PC is not that good in graphics.Mr_Cumberdale

the same Wii title in most cases looks worst than a ps2 title.

bigblunt537

I really think people exaggerate the visuals from last gen. Most of them are horrible compared to the Wii. You'd really have to mess something up to get a game looking last gen.

The proof is that my PC outpaces that one and I can't max out Crysis without a massive slideshow. That's proof enough for me. He even admits that he got many parts through classified ads, etc. I'd love to find x2 1GB GPU's for a grand total of $60. :lol: That's like buying a PS3 from Kijiji for $50 and claiming the PS3 is a $50 console.Hahadouken

Well.. the guy exists, and as far as i'm concerned, your argument is as strong has hes, though he posted a vid, specs and the parts. That's unfortunately one of the beauties of the internet. So i'll stick to that video until a PC expert tells me those parts are bull***. :P

[QUOTE="Hahadouken"][QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

Have you conducted a statistical study to determine if indeed joe schmoe can't tell the difference between 720p and 1080p, or can you perhaps link to one? Or are you just assuming this si true 'cause that's what you think?

I can very easily tell the difference between a game running at 720p and one runnign at 1080p. Not that I'm positing my anectdotal experience as data. You seem to be doing just that, however.

ChubbyGuy40

Since 1080p is over twice the amount of detail of 720p, its pretty easy. 720p looks stretched and blurry on a 1080p screen.

[QUOTE="bigblunt537"]

the same Wii title in most cases looks worst than a ps2 title.

ChubbyGuy40

I really think people exaggerate the visuals from last gen. Most of them are horrible compared to the Wii. You'd really have to mess something up to get a game looking last gen.

From my experience on my Wii I've only seen 2-3 impressive looking games and I mean good looking for the Wii. On the ps3 even if that title was in HD would look like crap.

[QUOTE="Hahadouken"]The proof is that my PC outpaces that one and I can't max out Crysis without a massive slideshow. That's proof enough for me. He even admits that he got many parts through classified ads, etc. I'd love to find x2 1GB GPU's for a grand total of $60. :lol: That's like buying a PS3 from Kijiji for $50 and claiming the PS3 is a $50 console.Lucianu

Well.. the guy exists, and as far as i'm concerned, your argument is as strong has hes, though he posted a vid, specs and the parts. That's unfortunately one of the beauties of the internet. So i'll stick to that video until a PC expert tells me those parts are bull***. :P

ps3 to PC

Console's are holding PC back. PC's are 10 times more powerful then any console.

ps3 to PC

Console's are holding PC back. PC's are 10 times more powerful then any console.

Jebus213

Although PC is obviously vastly more powerful than the ps360 are you telling me that the ps360 aren't 10 times more powerful than the Wii? The Ps3's cpu alone is 10 times more powerful than the Wii's.

[QUOTE="Jebus213"]

ps3 to PC

Console's are holding PC back. PC's are 10 times more powerful then any console.

bigblunt537

Although PC is obviously vastly more powerful than the ps360 are you telling me that the ps360 aren't 10 times more powerful than the Wii? The Ps3's cpu alone is 10 times more powerful than the Wii's.

[QUOTE="bigblunt537"]

[QUOTE="Jebus213"]

ps3 to PC

Console's are holding PC back. PC's are 10 times more powerful then any console.

GeneralShowzer

Although PC is obviously vastly more powerful than the ps360 are you telling me that the ps360 aren't 10 times more powerful than the Wii? The Ps3's cpu alone is 10 times more powerful than the Wii's.

Well if you're being serious it's the Cell and no I'm not saying that the ps3 cpu is godly. I'm saying it's far stronger than any component in the Wii. So is the 360's cpu.

[QUOTE="bigblunt537"]

[QUOTE="Jebus213"]

ps3 to PC

Console's are holding PC back. PC's are 10 times more powerful then any console.

GeneralShowzer

Although PC is obviously vastly more powerful than the ps360 are you telling me that the ps360 aren't 10 times more powerful than the Wii? The Ps3's cpu alone is 10 times more powerful than the Wii's.

TEH CELL!!1