What (currently working) RPG developers do you consider better than CD PROJEKT RED?

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#1 uninspiredcup
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Hello this is a question.

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#2 clone01
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zzzz. you're a troll, sniper.

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#3 uninspiredcup
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@clone01 said:

zzzz. you're a troll, sniper.

I'd say Larian is better as well along with Obsidian Entertainment who've pretty much replaced Bioware from being the derided B team to the A Team.

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#4 SOedipus
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Not sure. I'm not that up-to-date on developers and what they're doing nowadays. I hear Bioware and Bethesda are bad, lot of whining. Is Obsidian better now? I enjoyed games developed from them, but buggy as hell.

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zzzz. you're a troll, sniper.

You should go to Ask the Mods and rat on him, for everyone to see, again.

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#5 nepu7supastar7
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@uninspiredcup:

Of a similar variety, I'd say Bioware. I know that Mass Effect Andromeda was a disappointment and all but I still love that it let's you create your own main character. That might not sound like a good enough reason to some but to me; it makes a HUGE difference.

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#6  Edited By uninspiredcup
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@nepu7supastar7: Believe there was a video in Polish /Russian with CDP saying "made characters" weren't immersive, citing Gothic as their inspiration.

- English subs about 28 minute mark

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#8  Edited By AJStyles
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No one is better than CDPR.

Unless we count God of War as an RPG, then Sony Santa Monica is the best.

I do enjoy games from GG(Horizon Zero Dawn), BioWare and Bethesda. Square Enix is hit or miss.

And I love the Deus Ex and Recent Assassins Creed Games.

It’s hard to tell for me what counts as an RPG game when every game now features leveling up systems, quests, crafting and all that Jazz.

I like them all really.

EDIT: and whoever does Borderlands is great too.

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#9 bussinrounds
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Idk about 'better'...which is all subjective anyway...

but I do like a bunch of smaller/lesser known devs making the more traditional/pure style cRPGs, over the more mainstream ones that try and appeal to everybody with awesome action games (sprinkled with light RPG elements)

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#10 nepu7supastar7
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@uninspiredcup:

That's only half true. And that goes to how the developer goes about making the main character's personality. Games like Saints Row, Mass Effect, and Dragon Age have created character features and they fair just fine in dealing with personalities. They're proof that you CAN have customizable characters with fully fleshed out backstories and still have personalities. They may be generalized personalities but they're still personalities.

When you look at Geralt from the Witcher, you see this sexy, raspy, moody as hell douchebag who comes across as someone who just hates everything. He's not vibrant, exciting, and he rarely ever smiles. How is that better than letting us create him? The nameless Saints Row 2 - 4 main character has more personality in one finger than Geralt has in his entire body. Despite the fact that you can change every bit of that character's appearance, gender, race, voice and body figure.

I get why CDPR chose to make Geralt the permanent mc for the series though. I just think it would've been more enjoyable and immersive if we could customize him completely.

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#11 uninspiredcup
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@SOedipus said:

Not sure. I'm not that up-to-date on developers and what they're doing nowadays. I hear Bioware and Bethesda are bad, lot of whining. Is Obsidian better now? I enjoyed games developed from them, but buggy as hell.

@clone01 said:

zzzz. you're a troll, sniper.

You should go to Ask the Mods and rat on him, for everyone to see, again.

Hmm... didn't notice that.

Always assumed this was a parody account.

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Square-Enix. While I did thoroughly enjoy The Witcher 3 I still prefer games like Dragon Quest XI and even Final Fantasy XV. Would probably also prefer Final Fantasy XIV as well but I haven’t played it.

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Many devs are better.

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#14  Edited By uninspiredcup
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@nepu7supastar7 said:

@uninspiredcup:

That's only half true. And that goes to how the developer goes about making the main character's personality. Games like Saints Row, Mass Effect, and Dragon Age have created character features and they fair just fine in dealing with personalities. They're proof that you CAN have customizable characters with fully fleshed out backstories and still have personalities. They may be generalized personalities but they're still personalities.

When you look at Geralt from the Witcher, you see this sexy, raspy, moody as hell douchebag who comes across as someone who just hates everything. He's not vibrant, exciting, and he rarely ever smiles. How is that better than letting us create him? The nameless Saints Row 2 - 4 main character has more personality in one finger than Geralt has in his entire body. Despite the fact that you can change every bit of that character's appearance, gender, race, voice and body figure.

I get why CDPR chose to make Geralt the permanent mc for the series though. I just think it would've been more enjoyable and immersive if we could customize him completely.

Oh yes, don't agree with them at all. If anything playing as Geralt is severely limiting due to the hero narrative required, the fixed style of gameplay and other limiting factors like thievery being non-existent.

Gothic for all it's janky glory affords far more freedom with a fixed (but still relatively blank canvas) character than the Witcher games ever have.

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#15  Edited By clone01
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@SOedipus said:

Not sure. I'm not that up-to-date on developers and what they're doing nowadays. I hear Bioware and Bethesda are bad, lot of whining. Is Obsidian better now? I enjoyed games developed from them, but buggy as hell.

@clone01 said:

zzzz. you're a troll, sniper.

You should go to Ask the Mods and rat on him, for everyone to see, again.

Because I have an issue with someone who DMed many of us obscene images when he was banned? Yeah, don't really see a problem with that.

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Not a fan of their style.... Hoping Cyberpunk changes my opinion.

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#17 Valgaav_219
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I'd go with Square Enix. FFXV was okay. The DLC made it a little better. I had a lot of fun playing Kingdom Hearts 3, though, even if it was a bit on the easy side. That combat system and the ability to switch between 3 different keyblades on the fly was what sealed the deal for me. That combat system was addictive to me when on a higher difficulty level.

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InXile has made the best RPG’s this gen.

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#19 uninspiredcup
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Quick run down of every developer better than CDP thus far

  • Nihon Falcom
  • Obsidian
  • Bioware
  • All smaller indie devs
  • Square Enix
  • InXile

Is that everyone?

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#20 Vaasman
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None, CD Projekt are the best. It's about time you accept and move on.

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#21  Edited By jg4xchamp
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Depends on what we are arguing as something being done better. Personally Capcom, From Software, and Team Ninja made better action rpgs.

But as far as making RPG ass RPGs, CDPR never really made those. The Witcher 2 n 3 have more in common with present day Bethesda games n Bioware games, which are RPGs if you are using that genre label really loosely.

So ignoring that genre wank aside for the type of game they make: go here, kill things with melee combat. They are wildly outclassed by a lot of devs. Be it action rpgs, or straight up action games period, and I am not beholden to the scale of their production as an excuse for my displeasure with their combat.

But a lot of people like their shit because the games are technically pretty solid, have dope soundtracks, and good moment to moment writing. That's fair, I guess, I personally disagree with giving a game a free pass on suspect gameplay for story, but to each their own.