Was the wii ever maxed out graphically?

That's pretty cool. Did you meet any other game graphic artists?

As far as the Conduit developers are concerned, it would be interesting to see what they can do on the Wii U. I don't think they'll start developing masterpieces, but I do think they might craft an appealing FPS.

GreySeal9

I got to meet a guy who was an environmental artist for Dead Space :D He's a teacher at the school. He's currently working on a Facebook game. I believe it's called Red Crucible or something along the lines of that. From what I hear it's quite fun for being a FB game. They have regulars from film studios like Pixar and a few other video game companies that work with EA and Ubisoft also.

I never saw HVS as mediocre. Hunter the Reckoning was one of the best series last year. The original was a ton of fun and so were it's sequels. I know they can develop some great games, but I really do think developing Wii-only screwed them over. The Grinder was supposed to be a successor to Hunter as an FPS on the Wii (that plays similar to L4D) and the same style on 360. They're having trouble finding a publisher :(

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That's pretty cool. Did you meet any other game graphic artists?

As far as the Conduit developers are concerned, it would be interesting to see what they can do on the Wii U. I don't think they'll start developing masterpieces, but I do think they might craft an appealing FPS.

ChubbyGuy40

I got to meet a guy who was an environmental artist for Dead Space :D He's a teacher at the school. He's currently working on a Facebook game. I believe it's called Red Crucible or something along the lines of that. From what I hear it's quite fun for being a FB game. They have regulars from film studios like Pixar and a few other video game companies that work with EA and Ubisoft also.

I never saw HVS as mediocre. Hunter the Reckoning was one of the best series last year. The original was a ton of fun and so were it's sequels. I know they can develop some great games, but I really do think developing Wii-only screwed them over. The Grinder was supposed to be a successor to Hunter as an FPS on the Wii (that plays similar to L4D) and the same style on 360. They're having trouble finding a publisher :(

Do you have any idea why they decided to develop Wii-only?

Do you have any idea why they decided to develop Wii-only?

GreySeal9

My guess is that they, at the time, were the only devs that were actually trying to make a good FPS for the Wii. With such a large crowd, booming popularity, and an extreme lack of the most important genre this gen, it did seem like a perfect business opportunity. In the end it just didn't have enough quality. Maybe they just like working with Nintendo also. Hopefully Conduit 3DS will turn out to be a killer app.

Galaxy 2 is 60 fps and Zelda probably puts the hardware to the test in terms of scope.

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No! Therestill a lot of leg room to max out the system, but no devs have actually tried to do this. A couple of devs like Sonic Team Japan actually tried to create great looking games on the system and they have succeeded.

super600

Yep! Monster Hunter Tri also looks incredible on the HDTV I'm currently using to.

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The great thing is I have a hard time seeing jaggies barely in this game compared to other Wii games.

super600

It's a 42 inch Sony Bravia HD TV.

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[QUOTE="Michael0134567"] Sonic Colors looks amazing!:)lightleggy

Yep! Monster Hunter Tri also looks incredible on the HDTV I'm currently using to.

Not really an HDTV displays one resolution only.... its either 720p or 1080p. If you feed it anything other than its native resolutions then it has to scale the image. Some TV's handle SD content better than others ranging from poor to decent. I do get what your trying to say though which is also true as far as the resolution the TV is receiving. And I also get what he was trying to say as some HDTV's display 480p content poorly.

Do you have any idea why they decided to develop Wii-only?

GreySeal9

Because with Wii they saw an opportunity to evolve, they used to be doing shovelware games.

Can't just jump from the lowest tier to highest you gotta start somewhere. Higher budget to make a PS3/360 + there was a lack of 3rd party core (FPS) games on Wii, they would've been ignored had they been working on a generic and mediocre game for PS3/360, on Wii they had graphics as a selling point because nobody else besides Nintendo was pushing the hardware.

They had the money to self fund Conduit, there was an opportunity to fill a void it's not like the market was over saturated with traditional games, IGN Nintendo basically took the job of marketing the game because there wasn't really much to cover anyway :P (this helped alot btw) but in the end they just didn't deliver. I for one respect their intention, I got Conduit and I loved it for the controls, especially the customization but after GoldenEye released there was no need for me to even consider Conduit 2, I just craved for an FPS at the time with Wii pointer controls.

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[QUOTE="Michael0134567"] Sonic Colors looks amazing!:)lightleggy

Yep! Monster Hunter Tri also looks incredible on the HDTV I'm currently using to.

Monster Hunter tri and twilight princess are games that come to mind when I think about good graphics on Wii...

Silent Hill SM, Mario galaxy 2, Metroid Prime Corruption, Sonic Colors, Monster Hunter Tri ect.

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I think it's the Conduit 2

GreySeal9

IDK, I think the Conduit 2 is pretty ugly.

I didn't play it though (I'm not going to spend my money on that). I'm just going off of what I've seen on the internet.

No, there is no Factor 5 or Rare to show what it really can do.

No, there is no Factor 5 or Rare to show what it really can do.

nameless12345

Retro studios >>>>> Factor 5/Rare

[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="super600"]

Yep! Monster Hunter Tri also looks incredible on the HDTV I'm currently using to.

osan0

thats only aspect ratio, the quality will not increase, Im not sure but I think there were wide SD tvs, wide SD will look the same as wide HD with a wii game because the wii simply cannot use something bigger than 480i/p

I guess you could say that Super Mario Galaxy 2 managed to max it out graphically. Wii is basically an overclocked gamecube with some more ram. It can't go too far beyond what the original Xbox did, but a lot of games that have been made for it don't show off everything it can do.

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No, there is no Factor 5 or Rare to show what it really can do.

Half-Way

Retro studios >>>>> Factor 5/Rare

If you mean by pushing hardware - not even close.

Personally i automatically disqualify any game that only runs at 30fps simply because if F-Zero GX can do it at 60fps and still look stunning with 29 aggresive racer AI on the GCN then i see no reason why other games can't do it. So that kills MHTri right away. Also i don't count 2D or 2.5D games, on-rails games or ports of last gen games.

The contenders IMO are Red Steel 2, Metroid Prime 3, Super Mario Galaxy 1 and 2, Endless Ocean, Metroid Other M, The Last Story and Xenoblade.

Xenoblade takes that title easily, having that kind of scale while running at a locked 60fps and still looking beautiful (Except character faces those do look a bit strange) IMO edges out those other games.

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[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

No, there is no Factor 5 or Rare to show what it really can do.

nameless12345

Retro studios >>>>> Factor 5/Rare

If you mean by pushing hardware - not even close.

by pushing hardware?

last time Rare "pushed" hardware was on the N64..

While Retro did it on the GCN and on the Wii

Factor 5 pushed the GCN i guess. While they pushed the PS3 beyond the boundaries of bearable gameplay :P

Super Mario Galaxy 1 & 2 looked amazing, please don't say the Conduit 1 or 2 those games look terrible

Personally i automatically disqualify any game that only runs at 30fps simply because if F-Zero GX can do it at 60fps and still look stunning with 29 aggresive racer AI on the GCN then i see no reason why other games can't do it. So that kills MHTri right away. Also i don't count 2D or 2.5D games, on-rails games or ports of last gen games.

The contenders IMO are Red Steel 2, Metroid Prime 3, Super Mario Galaxy 1 and 2, Endless Ocean, Metroid Other M, The Last Story and Xenoblade.

Xenoblade takes that title easily, having that kind of scale while running at a locked 60fps and still looking beautiful (Except character faces those do look a bit strange) IMO edges out those other games.

ugoo18

i have to agree with this. Especially considering the fact that there are barely any loading screens as far as i can see.

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[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

Retro studios >>>>> Factor 5/Rare

Half-Way

If you mean by pushing hardware - not even close.

by pushing hardware?

last time Rare "pushed" hardware was on the N64..

While Retro did it on the GCN and on the Wii

Factor 5 pushed the GCN i guess. While they pushed the PS3 beyond the boundaries of bearable gameplay :P

Is it really fair to compare a dying or ageing Rare to Nintendo's new wonder child on the GCN, but i do agree about Retro doing more than Factor 5.

Skyward Sword looks really good, the art style is really catching on.

Yes, back when it was called the Gamecube.

For its sake, let's say no. :P

The Galaxy games look really good though.

Skyward Sword looks really good, the art style is really catching on.

PhazonBlazer

I love that styIe. It's actually nice to look at the environments. Same goes for Wind Waker.. I thought the half/realistic look of TP was a little bland. Though they may be able to change my mind with an HD Zelda game on the WiiU.

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[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

Retro studios >>>>> Factor 5/Rare

Half-Way

If you mean by pushing hardware - not even close.

by pushing hardware?

last time Rare "pushed" hardware was on the N64..

While Retro did it on the GCN and on the Wii

Factor 5 pushed the GCN i guess. While they pushed the PS3 beyond the boundaries of bearable gameplay :P

Alot of games look amazing on it I don't know if it was maxed out.

The Conduit.

Xenoblade takes that title easily, having that kind of scale while running at a locked 60fps and still looking beautiful (Except character faces those do look a bit strange) IMO edges out those other games.

ugoo18

Yeah.. the faces. Detail had to suffer somewere, the character models themselfs look extremely poor, the animations are good, nothing wrong with them. But the character bodies look like early PS2, and the character faces look straight Dreamcast quality.

Though yes, the world is wonderfully detailed with beautiful landscapes, all in open, which is nothing short of a technical marvel on the Wii. Though i never heard it beeing at 60FPS, that's mind boggling, i'm out of words if that is actually true.

Metroid Other M, Conduit 2, Super Mario Galaxy 2, and No More Heroes 2 look good.

Monster Hunter Tri looks good too.

I would say the SMG games maxxed it out, games looked pretty good, and the only games worth a damn on that joke of a system. Nintendo is going to really have to do something amazing to get me back, at this point it is nothing but a over hyped kiddy system, with a few decent games in between, not a contender.

The Destiny of Zorro is the pinnacle of Wii graphics

I would say the SMG games maxxed it out, games looked pretty good, and the only games worth a damn on that joke of a system. Nintendo is going to really have to do something amazing to get me back, at this point it is nothing but a over hyped kiddy system, with a few decent games in between, not a contender.

Advid-Gamer

The Wii is a nice complementary system to the PC.

Metroid prime 3 looked really good imo

If SMG is truly the best looking game on the Wii, then that is pathetic.millerlight89

How is that Pathetic?

Actually SMG2 looks really good.

SMG2 has better graphics than most PS3 games(assuming both are not in HD, which is my setup). Its probably the textures.

SMG2 has better graphics than most PS3 games(assuming both are not in HD, which is my setup). Its probably the textures.

malfion

O.o

SMG looks great, but not THAT great.

The term "maxed out" needs to go. If any game on the Wii (or any other system) has used 100% of resources available at any point in time, then it's hardware has been maxed out. From a developer standpoint, would you want to do this? If you are consistently trying to use as much of the available hardware resources as possible, you'd have very inconsistent environments in terms of detail relative to scale. Unless you are doing full offscreen rendering, there is no way to know exactly what a player will look at and how much of a systems resources will be needed to render from that particularly vantage. Ideally, you want a buffer in resources being used so you don't get heavy slow down.

Hardware utilization is only a part of graphics fidelity. The larger part with aging console systems is to be able to create great graphics and a consistent aesthetic within those confines.