Team Ninja screws PC gamers big time with Nioh: Complete Edition

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#1  Edited By indzman
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Damn, no mouse support in this already brutally difficult game Ni Oh: Complete Edition which is releasing on 7 NOV 2017.

http://www.game-debate.com/news/23988/nioh-has-no-mouse-support-on-pc

Guess PC gamers have to plug in console controllers to play this much awaited game on PC after all. no M support unless a future patch fixes this. Shame on you Team Ninja. Hope atleast its optimised.

Discuss :(

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#2 funsohng
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People expected a competent port from them?

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#3 FLOPPAGE_50
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Im sure most hermits got controllers lying around since they can all afford beast gaming PCs

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#4 Dark_sageX
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I almost play exclusively with a 360 controller, besides I don't see how Nioh can benefit from M&K setup, its not an FPS or an RTS, the game is best played with a controller. What concerns me however is optimization.

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#5 mark1974
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I still can't believe people use a mouse and keyboard for these types of games anyway. I can understand for FPS and strategy games but third person action games? It's like playing super mario with mouse and keyboard to me. Granted, I've never played Nioh so I don't know.

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#6  Edited By uninspiredcup
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People will say "oh you should be playing with a controller anyways nub nub", but it's not really an excuse.

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#7 appariti0n
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@indzman: You were expecting Mouse/Keyboard support on this? lol.

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#8 Howmakewood
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@mark1974 said:

I still can't believe people use a mouse and keyboard for these types of games anyway. I can understand for FPS and strategy games but third person action games? It's like playing super mario with mouse and keyboard to me. Granted, I've never played Nioh so I don't know.

there are some out there, a friend of mine played ds2/ds3 with mouse and keyboard while he played first one with pad, each for their own

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#9 indzman
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@appariti0n said:

@indzman: You were expecting Mouse/Keyboard support on this? lol.

I played SOULS games on PC with PS 3 controller. But many prefer k/m'd be my guess lol.

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#10  Edited By KungfuKitten
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I'm OK with this. Can't really see this work well on mouse keyboard. And pretty much every PC gamer has a controller. In fact I have too many controllers so I could hand them out on the street in case a PC gamers needs one.

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#11  Edited By QuadKnight
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Team Ninja sucks with PC ports, I thought everyone knew that. PC version of DOA5 is terrible, the only thing that saves it is mods and the ability to play in 4K. It's inferior to the console versions in almost every way possible.

I'm not surprised the PC port is ass.

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#12 freedomfreak
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Why would you even play this with mouse and keyboard?

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#13 uninspiredcup
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@howmakewood said:
@mark1974 said:

I still can't believe people use a mouse and keyboard for these types of games anyway. I can understand for FPS and strategy games but third person action games? It's like playing super mario with mouse and keyboard to me. Granted, I've never played Nioh so I don't know.

there are some out there, a friend of mine played ds2/ds3 with mouse and keyboard while he played first one with pad, each for their own

I believe there was a mod that made Darksouls easily playable on mouse and keyboard.

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#14 indzman
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@uninspiredcup said:
@howmakewood said:
@mark1974 said:

I still can't believe people use a mouse and keyboard for these types of games anyway. I can understand for FPS and strategy games but third person action games? It's like playing super mario with mouse and keyboard to me. Granted, I've never played Nioh so I don't know.

there are some out there, a friend of mine played ds2/ds3 with mouse and keyboard while he played first one with pad, each for their own

I believe there was a mod that made Darksouls easily playable on mouse and keyboard.

Yup DS Fix.

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@quadknight said:

Team Ninja sucks with PC ports, I thought everyone knew that. PC version of DOA5 is terrible, the only thing that saves it is mods and the ability to play in 4K. It's inferior to the console versions in almost every way possible.

I'm not surprised the PC port is ass.

If the performance is bad I would have more of a problem with that, than a lack of keyboard mouse support. Here's hoping they learned a thing or two about PC ports.

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#16 R4gn4r0k
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@freedomfreak said:

Why would you even play this with mouse and keyboard?

Because a PC has native mouse and keyboard support.

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#17 freedomfreak
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@R4gn4r0k said:

Because a PC has native mouse and keyboard support.

But it's horrible.

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#18  Edited By R4gn4r0k
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@freedomfreak said:

But it's horrible.

If you don't want to go the extra mile, better get your shit off PC.

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#19 uninspiredcup
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@R4gn4r0k said:
@freedomfreak said:

But it's horrible.

If you don't want to go the extra mile, better get your shit off PC.

Agree completely, espcailly with KOEI TECMO's generally higher asking price here.

Typical game = £39.99 KOEI TECMO = £49.99

And a good wack of the time they aren't from this generation or just plain shitty ass ports.

Taking the piss m8.

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#20 indzman
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@R4gn4r0k said:
@freedomfreak said:

Why would you even play this with mouse and keyboard?

Because a PC has native mouse and keyboard support.

You getting Ni Oh m8?

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#21 freedomfreak
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@R4gn4r0k said:

If you don't want to go the extra mile, better get your shit off PC.

That's most Steam games.

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#22  Edited By X_CAPCOM_X
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Who would play this with m and kb anyway?

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#23 deactivated-5c1d0901c2aec
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Honestly I had no intentions of playing this game with mouse and keyboard. It looks like it would be more comfortable with a controller.

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#24 uninspiredcup
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@X_CAPCOM_X said:

Who would play this with m and kb anyway?

Pc gamers most likely.

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#25 X_CAPCOM_X
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@uninspiredcup: comeon bro i know you will plugyour controller in for this one

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#26 pug987
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I think it's time to allow companies to make away with keyboard and mouse support that games that aren't really suited to them.

I mean for shooters or strategy games or top down rpgs, I fully expect good mouse and keyboard support. Good example, Destiny 2 feels amazing with a mouse. Bad example, Mass Effect Andromeda is atrocious with mouse and keyboard.

However for 3rd person action games, even if they support mouse and keyboard, they don't really work. I can live with controller only for games like Dark Souls especially if it's extra incentive for devs to do more PC ports.

Keep the keyboard for typing though, that's a no brainer.

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#27  Edited By uninspiredcup
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@X_CAPCOM_X said:

@uninspiredcup: comeon bro i know you will plugyour controller in for this one

Oh yea, wuv my Steam Controller.

Still, not excusing it.

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#28  Edited By DragonfireXZ95
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@FLOPPAGE_50 said:

Im sure most hermits got controllers lying around since they can all afford beast gaming PCs

I have a controller specifically for Dark Souls games on my PC. Not even a question. Lol

I honestly wasn't expecting a great port, I'm just happy we're getting it on PC.

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#29  Edited By DragonfireXZ95
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@indzman said:
@uninspiredcup said:
@howmakewood said:
@mark1974 said:

I still can't believe people use a mouse and keyboard for these types of games anyway. I can understand for FPS and strategy games but third person action games? It's like playing super mario with mouse and keyboard to me. Granted, I've never played Nioh so I don't know.

there are some out there, a friend of mine played ds2/ds3 with mouse and keyboard while he played first one with pad, each for their own

I believe there was a mod that made Darksouls easily playable on mouse and keyboard.

Yup DS Fix.

You're thinking of DSM fix. DS fix just fixed all the glaring resolution and FPS problems that the consoles had to deal with.

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#30 AnthonyAutumns
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Just what you'd expect from Koei Tecmo.

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#31 indzman
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@DragonfireXZ95 said:
@indzman said:
@uninspiredcup said:
@howmakewood said:
@mark1974 said:

I still can't believe people use a mouse and keyboard for these types of games anyway. I can understand for FPS and strategy games but third person action games? It's like playing super mario with mouse and keyboard to me. Granted, I've never played Nioh so I don't know.

there are some out there, a friend of mine played ds2/ds3 with mouse and keyboard while he played first one with pad, each for their own

I believe there was a mod that made Darksouls easily playable on mouse and keyboard.

Yup DS Fix.

You're thinking of DSM fix. DS fix just fixed all the glaring resolution and FPS problems that the consoles had to deal with.

Played it ages ago. It had a K/M support mod also lol.

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#32 Pedro
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Mouse and keyboard combo for a game designed for controllers. Makes not sense to me. As some PC elitist would say "It would be impossible to play with " mouse and keyboard, "its not designed for it".

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#33 KBFloYd
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TC is upset nioh no longer exclusive to the shitstation

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#34 2mrw
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Is there a ps4 version?

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#35  Edited By lundy86_4
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I was expecting a bare-bones port, so it sounds about right. Apparently, it's sitting at 98% GPU usage at 1440p on a GTX1080.

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#36 deactivated-5f3ec00254b0d
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No driving wheel support either! PC loses again.

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#37 Jebus213
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I watched some gameplay. Idk how this game wouldn't work well with a mouse and keyboard.

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#38 deactivated-5c56012aaa167
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The way you guys are reacting reminds me of the time that Evil Within's 30FPS lock shocked the PC gamers.(Which was pretty stupid)

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#39  Edited By pyro1245
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Yeah but that 60fps with proper graphics instead of jaggies galore. The 60fps mode on PS4 was much appreciated, but the graphics quality looked like shit and still had some frame rate dips.

Plus this is a controller game through and through, just like Dark Souls. I'm still looking forward to it even though we all know the port will be substandard. Maybe we'll even get lucky and they'll fix it with updates or someone will mod it.

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#40  Edited By BassMan
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I have no interest in playing Nioh with a mouse and keyboard anyway. Controller only is perfectly fine for me. That being said, it is unfortunate for anybody who wanted to play it with M+KB.

If they released an FPS game on PC that only allowed me to use controller, then I would be pissed.

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#41 AzatiS
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Not really a problem. MY 360 pad is always hooked. Bring nioh now !

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refunds are going to be glorious.

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#43 HalcyonScarlet
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I thought the benefit of the PC was that you could tailor the experience to the game itself, the way it was designed to be played. I aint playin a console game with keyboard and mouse. To me it's a little bit like entertaining the idea of playing USF4 on my PC with a keyboard and mouse. If the game is designed around the controller, I'm playin with a controller.

I hate it when they release a console game on the PC with no controller support. Dumbest thing ever, and yeah, they actually sometimes do that. I mean... the level of dipshit...

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#44 foxhound_fox
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Who in their right mind plays a third person action game with a mouse and keyboard?

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#45 The_Stand_In
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@foxhound_fox said:

Who in their right mind plays a third person action game with a mouse and keyboard?

I've been playing Shadow of War with M&K and it works fantastic. Same with Mass Effect and The Witcher series.

Controller is fine for 3rd person games, too. But M&K still has the accuracy advantage and works just as well.

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#46 clone01
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@uninspiredcup said:

People will say "oh you should be playing with a controller anyways nub nub", but it's not really an excuse.

Neither are your shit posts, sniper.

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#47 ocinom
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I also like to play Racing games with M/K

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#48 appariti0n
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Actually played all of dark souls 3 with keyboard/mouse, and it was pretty good. Especially since my monitor has a crosshair feature. Can sort of free aim spells at other players, which is near impossible on gamepad.

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#49 indzman
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@KBFloYd said:

TC is upset nioh no longer exclusive to the shitstation

Screw you. I'm talking in favour of PC gamers.

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#50 Jag85
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Don't really care. Not the kind of game I'd want to play with K&M.