Switch 2 development progressing well but not coming this year

Tears of the Kingdom has got me excited for a Switch 2. The game is great on the Switch, just imagine what Nintendo can do with like 10x the power lol

@SolidGame_basic

Hold on, 10x the power? While I'm sure Switch 2 will be a lot more powerful than the Switch, I think you need to temper your expectations a little...

It's not completely outside the realms of possibility in fairness. 10X as powerful would put it in PS4 territority...ish. The Steam deck would be pretty close to 10X as powerful as the switch. Maybe 7X or 8X....roughly.

So it's possible to pack that kind of horsepower in a portable device. By 2024 (assuming late 2024 release) it should also be cheap enough for Nintendo do it at around the 350 bucks price point. They would have better economies of scale than valve would too.

That's not to say its guaranteed that nintendo will go for it of course. But it's technically possible.

Just wanted to say that the Orin SoC is not designed for portable devices, nvidia has basically nothing in terms of modern low power/portable SoC's, Nintendos best option would be the snapdragon 8 gen 2 SoC, it's GPU is more performant and power efficient than apples A16 bionic (it still lags behind a bit on CPU though), but that obviously wouldn't happen it's too new and apparently the switch 2 is coming out next year, it would also probably need a very different API breaking backwards compatibility (im about 80% sure of this, not that nintendo cares).

The oled switch tech really surprised me at how much better it looked compared to my switch lite.

It's okay. The superior Yuzu will keep us warm until it's ready.

Yea, Switch hardware is from like 2013/2014 isn’t it?

Slighty modified Nvidia Shield hardware but indeed from 2013 essentially.

I think the Switch 2 will be weaker than the PS4.

@silentchief: games will no longer run in 720p/30. Nintendo has moved to 900p/40fps!

You jest but that is most likely the extend of the upgrade.

I think 400 is wishful thinking. I hope they charge 500.

One of the leaks from a reliable leaker had it about it on par with a series S.

You sure about that? I thought the PS4 was about 4 to 5x more powerful then a switch. Although TFLOPs aren't everything if I remember correctly I thought the Switch was at 1tflop while the PS4 was at 1.84. It has half the ram and a lower clocked cpu as well. But I would think 10x would be better than a base PS4 no?

People thinking mobile Nintendo hardware has a chance of being on par with the ps4, is the most delusional thing i've heard this year.😅One thing that you must remember is that Nintendo never loses money on syshtems sold, so forget good specs.

More than likely 2025, as the Switch is still cranking out sales. It already won this gen 9, and now it's just gonna keep taking that lead to the next level.

The base PS4 has been out for a decade 😐

Yes, and Nintendo has just reached the year 1997.

The development of the Nintendo Switch 2 is reportedly progressing well, according to the latest updates. However, it seems that the highly anticipated console will not be released this year. While specific details about the release date remain unknown at this time, fans can look forward to future announcements from Nintendo regarding the Switch 2's availability. In the meantime, gamers can continue enjoying the current Nintendo Switch and its extensive library of games.

@GameboyTroy: Entirely possible. It's hard to say where Nintendo will draw the line.

Yeah, in fairness, looking at it again: 10X the switch would put it closer to PS4 Pro (which was roughly 2 X the PS4 on the GPU at least) territory rather than the base PS4. The PS4 Pro would be a bridge too far for a Switch 2 (assuming it's the same size as the switch and nintendo want a lunch price around 350 bucks). Taking 2 vastly different systems and reducing their differences to 1 number is tricky :P. I tend to put the PS4/Pro/X1/X1X in the same block as 2X to 3X hardware jumps are not that big a difference in terms of console hardware jumps...hence the "...ish".

Certainly the switch 2 getting to base PS4 levels though is on the table. The deck is pretty much there and that's over a year old now. Assuming a late 2024 release and a launch price of 350: that's doable for Nintendo.

Not guaranteed though of course. They just may decide not to bother pushing it that far too. Or maybe they decide to bring back a 3D screen and need to make cuts to the rest of the system to get the BOM down. Or they just do something completely different.

What are we thinking close to a steam deck? Or an Asus ally? What ever it is remastered switch games are probably going to be it's line up for first year. That and a Mario game.

@silentchief: I thought the entire point of measuring flops was for 1:1 comparison across hardware.

PS3 and X360 have around 0.25 Tflops

Wii-U has 0.35 Tflops

the Switch has 1 Tflop (docked)

X1 has 1.3 Tflops

PS4 has 1.84 Tflops

PS4 Pro has 4.2 Tflops

X1X has 6 Tflops

PS5 has 10.52 Tlfops

XSX has 12 Tflops.

If the Switch 2 is 10x faster that would put it at the PS5 level of performance. Not happening imo

even though it should not be unrealistic. Remember the Switch released four years after the PS4 and was still the PS4 was 84% faster.

I thought that the Switch was around 500 Gflops or something like that?

@GameboyTroy: Well now I did some googling and lol can't believe how hard it is to get a straight answer. Just checking the first page worth of articles and it ranges between 0.4Tflops and 1 Tflops.

I just can't see the switch 2 being on par with the current gen. Probably on par with the PS4 pro.

It's because Nintendo never releases official specs.

Yea after reading further I don't think the 1tflop number is accurate. I think it's closer to half that.

Well if they are currently working on the Switch 2, and they plan on keep it at $299-350 price range... Chances are its going to be a high yield mass produced SOC so there's little to no chance of it being based off of Ada Lovelace 4nm is SLIM!

There's a very high probability the SOC will be based off of Ampere 8nm, and based on RTX 3050 mobile chips the slowest ones are 40w, a handheld SOC will need to be 12-15w... Meaning the slowest 3050 mobile chip cut by a third in performance.

You are looking at a handheld that will be able to play current games at low-medium at 30FPS... Like Elden Ring.

Its not going to change the Switch much really all you will get is another round up of $60-70 Switch 2 re-releases of games you are playing now but with no 60FPS option and lower resolution and quality.

It will be a rinse and repeat of what we have now, Only good thing is you will probably be able to play Zelda at 60fps.

It looks like the 1 Tflop comes from the FP16 measurement when the GPU is running at 1GHz (which is what the Tegra X1 does for the Nvidia shield). The switch GPU doesn't run at 1GHz, It's only 768MHz docked and, when talking about flops, it's FP32 that referred to. So the switch is less than half. Around 0.4 GFlops docked.

The tegra X1 specs:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tegra

But it also should be noted that using Flops as a measurement of performance only works when the architecture is the same. So comparing the flops of the PS4 and X1 is fair to relate performance. Or comparing a PS5 and XSX using flops is fine.

But using them to measure performance with a switch holds a lot less weight as the GPUs are just completely different. Even if it's the same vendor it doesn't work once the underlying architecture changes. e.g. comparing a PS4 to a PS5 using flops is also on pretty thin ice. RDNA2 (or 1.5...or whatever) is a completely different beast from GCN1.0 as found in the PS4.

Not to mention the CPU performance, the memory bandwidth.

A good example of the TFLOP comparison being poor especially when it comes to handhelds with limited TDP is Steam deck at 1.64 TFLOPS... Putting it at almost PS4 level's which it is not, its borderline slower than a Xbox One.

Also a good way to debunk the Switch power and TFLOPS all at once... Wii U 0.35 TFLOPS and the Switch is 0.768TFLOPS?...

2x the TFLOPS and you get 900p instead of 720p at the same settings and framerate... in BOTW.

@Grey_Eyed_Elf: Yeah it's a good point. As I alluded to in another post further up: taking completely different systems and boiling it down to saying one is X times more powerful than another is...well...not an exact science.

Any PS4 vs Deck comparison get's even messier since you are comparing a console to a PC running PC games....And that PC is using Linux and a compatibility layer which can incur a bit of a performance penalty too. So how much performance difference is hardware weakness vs software overhead?

Oh there are many things that determine performance, the quality of the developer doing the port, if the game is developed for that hardware first, on top of the hardware differences, the software involved and OS of that console and so on.

On PC you can only judge TFLOPS on the same architecture anything else is dumb.

Console vs console like PS4 vs X1 and PS5 vs XSX makes sense due to the SOC's being the same architecture.

But Switch vs anything or XSX/PS5 vs PC?... It gets complex and futile to compare.

Its pointless.

Like a Switch 2 having 1.4TFLOP with 2x the memory bandwidth and memory bit bus with more CPU cores and VRAM... Is the difference between what Witcher 3 looks like now 720p on Switch Vs sold 30FPS 1080p Medium settings, it will be a bigger difference than Wii U vs Switch 2x TFLOP jump BOTW 720p vs 900p same settings.

Biggest issue Switch has is CPU and memory bandwidth along with RAM, the GPU is only part of the problem.